Fly Away Peter, Stay home Paul

The notion of 'thousands of victims' was crucial to generate universal public outrage. However, having 3000 angry families breathing down their necks was never part of the perps' demented plan. Our ongoing analyses and investigations suggest that NO one died on 9/11.

Fly Away Peter, Stay home Paul

Postby Birthday Boy on September 16th, 2010, 2:50 pm

Simon,

I apologise if you've already done so, but if not, might I suggest you peruse the family photo album on Paul Gyulavary's FaceBook page?

My highlights:
1. The "I heart NY" tee-shirt
2. Yvonne Sanders impressive range of facial expressions
3. Paul's mask
4. Black & White stripes standing between the Twin Fern Towers
5. The "Seinfeld" diner (Why such low resolution?)

Perhaps I should private message Mr Gyulavary and inform him about your heinous erasure of his twin brother's existence. ;-)

[Sorry, I'm not experienced enough a poster to paste a screen-capture-image; it's on my desktop.]

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Postby simonshack on September 17th, 2010, 11:15 pm

Birthday Boy 4 Sep 16 2010, 01:50 PM wrote:
Perhaps I should private message Mr Gyulavary and inform him about your heinous erasure of his twin brother's existence. ;-)



Birthday Boy,

Here's an ABC-Australia interview with Paul Gyulavary, explaining how his twin brother Peter's body was found intact about 100m from Ground Zero...on 11/22 (Thanksgiving's day).http://www.abc.net.au/sundayprofile/sto ... 033589.htm

You may even listen to an mp3 of that interview here:
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/local/sunda ... 446750.Mp3

Paul has quite a story there - well worth listening to. He says he was in the US at his brother's widow's place on November 22 when the police came to her home announcing they had found Peter's body intact (eight weeks after the collapse). At one stage (at 12min20secs into the mp3) Paul says that he's the only one left with the "Gyulavary" surname - apart from Peter's wife. Yet, at another moment of the interview he says "at the time I had three very young girls". Hmm.

How very rude for a dad to "forget" about his own daughters ... <_<



September 07, 2007
Peter, if you can see me writing this from your place in heaven, it's me, your niece and i want you to know that i talk to you all the time, i dont remember you when you and daddy were brothers, although, you still are brothers, i dont remember when you were here on earth with daddy.
I talk to you trugh the stars and i want you to know that jane, genevieve, daddy and my sisters miss you a lot. and so do i. i wish you were here peter. When i was just 6 years old i went on my first plane to see jane and genevieve just for you. from australia to los angeles, that's a long way for a scared 6 year old. But now i am a grown up 13 year old and i miss you so much. Whenever i see the brightest star, i think of you. I miss you heaps and i will check on you all the time. I miss you so much, Uncle Peter. xox,
Anneke Gyulavary

~ Anneke Gyulavary, Victoria
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/guestbo ... 460&page=2

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June 14, 2010
Peter Gyulavary was a great archietect, he was aloving father and brother and uncle and godfather. My name is Olivia Gyulavary peter is my unle, my godfather and i love him.
~ Olivia Gyulavary, Melbourne
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/guestbo ... pid=138460




If you contact Paul, you should also tell him that it is silly for Genevieve ("Peter's 22-year-old daughter") to have a photoshopped picture of herself-and-friend posted on her facebook page (shadows are only rarely orange - and only in 9/11 VicSim photos...):

http://ko-kr.facebook.com/genevieve.gyulavary?ref=fs
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PETER GYULAVARY on the official 9/11 Memorial: http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... =606898155
http://www.septemberclues.info
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Postby ozzybinoswald on September 18th, 2010, 12:20 am

Oh man. The tribute from the niece, the cutout photos...it's just so bad it hurts.


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Postby brianv on September 18th, 2010, 1:34 am

This is a favourite of mine! Here we have a empty website which I believe to be sitting on a college server in Australia! The Meta Data on the index page contains "edith cowan, uni, local government". View the source code to see for yourself! Right click->view source!

Notice that the links all point to the same page. Notice too that the site is slightly out of date!

http://www.west.com.au/

Hiding around the back of the fake, empty, website, it contains one web-page of text which was entered on the 9/10/2001 - scroll to the bottom! Another prescient moment from our Australian friends! I would bet my last dollar, if I had one, that John Howard's fingerprints are all over this.

http://www.west.com.au/gyulavary/
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Postby fred on September 18th, 2010, 6:58 am

AFAIK Australia and NZ are basically field-experiments for the joint US & UK intelligence community. Let's try it there first, and if it works there, then we'll roll it out in the rest of the English speaking world.

Supposedly the reason the "Falcon & Snowman" dude (not Sean Penn, the other guy) was upset with the Company in the first place was that they were rigging the elections down under back in the 1970's.

It's a bit tenuous, but if the rumor is true, then John Howard likely would be a hand-picked insider rather than a democratically-elected politician.

I suppose another possibility would be that Oceania lacks the population to support an indigenous intelligence service, and so whenever there's a big event underway, they just rely on the US & UK to spoon-feed their leaders talking points.

It could also be that nobody really takes Australia seriously so they just remember at the last minute that they should include John Howard and forget to remind him how long he's supposed to wait before making public statements. I'm sure his staff doesn't want to stay late and work on New York time, so they have him make his press announcements when they can get home and hit the bottle at a decent hour. Who wants to stay in the office until midnight just because there's an operation going on? Aussie work ethic.
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Postby brianv on September 18th, 2010, 7:15 am

fred 4 Sep 18 2010, 06:58 AM wrote: AFAIK Australia and NZ are basically field-experiments for the joint US & UK intelligence community. Let's try it there first, and if it works there, then we'll roll it out in the rest of the English speaking world.

Supposedly the reason the "Falcon & Snowman" dude (not Sean Penn, the other guy) was upset with the Company in the first place was that they were rigging the elections down under back in the 1970's.

It's a bit tenuous, but if the rumor is true, then John Howard likely would be a hand-picked insider rather than a democratically-elected politician.

I suppose another possibility would be that Oceania lacks the population to support an indigenous intelligence service, and so whenever there's a big event underway, they just rely on the US & UK to spoon-feed their leaders talking points.

It could also be that nobody really takes Australia seriously so they just remember at the last minute that they should include John Howard and forget to remind him how long he's supposed to wait before making public statements. I'm sure his staff doesn't want to stay late and work on New York time, so they have him make his press announcements when they can get home and hit the bottle at a decent hour. Who wants to stay in the office until midnight just because there's an operation going on? Aussie work ethic.



I think there's more to it than that Fred. Allegiance to the mothership prison in the UK is a hot potoato there and highly suspect US foreign policy and intervention. The biggest Muslim country in the world, Indonesia, is just around the corner too.

Remember their PM who went for a swim and "disappeared" under the noses of his bodyguards? CIA scuba divers pulling him under routine..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Holt

ps Tim Robbins

One of my faves Bowie. "This is not America" - how apt!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJRF8xGzvj4
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Postby antipodean on September 18th, 2010, 11:05 am

I think your both right. NZ is basically the NWO's economic laboratory. Some of the stuff introduced in NZ would receive a lot more resistance in Australia, where they have more militant Unions.

This may have been posted before but I'm convinced the Air New Zealand Mt. Erebus crash, was carried out by US intelligence services. As a precursor for something later.
http://www.nzalpa.org.nz/erebus/Backgro ... Story.aspx
in this case KAL 007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csq9g5sX8v0

I'd actually always believed Harold Holt had died accidentally, but now I'm not so sure after reading that wiki page. For a Conservative PM he was championing quite a few radical changes.

But I do think the PTB are paranoid of Australia unveiling another Gough Whitlam, which is why they managed to destabilise the country into sacking it's own government.
Thus creating an atmosphere of chaos for the electorate to vote in the Fraser Government, of which John Howard ended up having a senior role.

These were busy times for the CIA's southern hemisphere operators, they had Allende of Chile, Norman Kirk of New Zealand & Whitlam of Oz, all saying phuck you to US Corporate interests, so they were all in turn gotten rid of.


The appointment of Marshall Green as the U.S. Ambassador to Australia in 1973 indicates how seriously the U.S. took the situation. Green was far and away the most experienced man to be appointed Ambassador to Australia. The post was usually given to amateurs: friends of the President, or campaign contributors. Green, on the other hand, was a career diplomat who had served in many countries important to the U.S.

His appointment was seen by some Labor ministers as a sinister move. Senator Bill Brown called Green a "top U.S. hatchet man" and pointed out that Green's previous postings had been marked by coups and political upheaval in four of the countries in which he had been posted, including Indonesia. He was widely known as "the coupmaster".

Green's stated goals (in order of importance) were 1) to maintain U.S. bases in Australia; 2) to keep the door open to American investment; and 3) to encourage Australian political support to the U.S. when and where it needed it, such as at the United Nations, and over issues such as East Timor, North Korea, and Vietnam.



http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles ... r-Up1.html
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Postby Maat on September 18th, 2010, 12:58 pm

Well, well, whaddayaknow ? this looks like an example of some perps' geeky programmer inside joke.
The surname Gyulavary [Gyula vary?] is typically made up, but Gyula is the Hungarian equivalent of Julius (Jules).

Now check out the meaning of "Hungarian notation" in computer programming lingo:


Hungarian notation is an identifier naming convention in computer programming, in which the name of a variable or function indicates its type or intended use. There are two types of Hungarian notation: Systems Hungarian notation and Apps Hungarian notation.

Hungarian notation was designed to be language-independent, and found its first major use with the BCPL programming language. Because BCPL has no data types other than the machine word, nothing in the language itself helps a programmer remember variables' types. Hungarian notation aims to remedy this by providing the programmer with explicit knowledge of each variable's data type.

In Hungarian notation, a variable name starts with a group of lower-case letters which are mnemonics for the type or purpose of that variable, followed by whatever name the programmer has chosen; this last part is sometimes distinguished as the given name. The first character of the given name can be capitalised to separate it from the type indicators (see also CamelCase). Otherwise the case of this character denotes scope.

The original Hungarian notation, which would now be called Apps Hungarian, was invented by Charles Simonyi, a programmer who worked at Xerox PARC circa 1972-1981, and who later became Chief Architect at Microsoft. It may have been derived from the earlier principle of using the first letter of a variable name to set its type -- for example, variables whose names started with letters I through N in FORTRAN were integers by default.

The notation is a reference to Simonyi's nation of origin; Hungarian people's names are "reversed" compared to most other European names; the family name precedes the given name. For example, the anglicized name "Charles Simonyi" in Hungarian was originally "Simonyi K?roly". In the same way the type name precedes the "given name" in Hungarian notation rather than the more natural, to most Europeans, Smalltalk "type last" naming style e.g. aPoint and lastPoint. This latter naming style was most common at Xerox PARC during Simonyi's tenure there. It may also be inspired by play on the name of an almost entirely unrelated concept, Polish notation.

The name Apps Hungarian was coined since the convention was used in the applications division of Microsoft. Systems Hungarian developed later in the Microsoft Windows development team. Simonyi's paper referred to prefixes used to indicate the "type" of information being stored. His proposal was largely concerned with decorating identifier names based upon the semantic information of what they store (in other words, the variable's purpose), consistent with Apps Hungarian. However, his suggestions were not entirely distinct from what became known as Systems Hungarian, as some of his suggested prefixes contain little or no semantic information. (See below for examples.)

The term Hungarian notation is memorable for many people because the strings of unpronounceable consonants vaguely resemble the consonant-rich orthography of some Eastern European languages despite the fact that Hungarian is a Finno-Ugric language, and unlike Slavic languages is rather rich in vowels. For example the zero-terminated string prefix "sz" is also a letter in the Hungarian alphabet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation




Fred:

As an Aussie, I have to say you may be right about how Australia is viewed by the US & UK ? hell, even a former Prime Minister, Paul Keating, referred to it as being "at the arse end of the world" :lol:

However, it's not as easy to "steal" an election Down Under as it can be in the US because Aussies still use paper ballots (not hackable electronic machines) with a preferential voting system [they do mess with district boundaries when they can of course: Gerrymander]. Also, as it's a Parliamentary system, they don't vote directly for the Prime Minister, only their local Party representatives. So, whichever party wins the majority of seats governs; and that party's leader becomes PM. e.g. the Labor Party replaced their leader (and sitting PM) Kevin Rudd with Julia Gillard, which was why they called the recent federal election (barely scraping back in with the Greens now holding the balance of power).

Btw, the problem in the 70s was that the Labor Party, led by Gough Whitlam, swept into power on Obama-style socialist rhetoric of "It's Time" (a la "Change") to become the most disastrous, corrupt, scandal-ridden government ever; bankrupting the country. The Senate blocked supply, forcing the Governor General to sack 'em. An election was promptly held which the Liberal Party (conservatives) then won in an historic landslide.

I can also confirm that ASIO (the Aussie version of MI5 & CIA) with its 'partner in crime' the Australian Federal Police, are pretty much a law unto themselves and corrupt as blazes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASIO_File
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Postby brianv on September 18th, 2010, 1:37 pm

Nice.

Yep, I've come across Hungarian notation in C and C++. It's a method of naming VARiables, functions and Classes inside a computer program.

double weeklySales; char* employeeName; int sumIraqisMurdered(); Class dirtyLyingBastards{};
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Postby fred on September 18th, 2010, 4:30 pm

Nice catch on the Hungarian notation. Typical geek joke.
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Postby antipodean on September 18th, 2010, 10:52 pm

Ma'at 4 Sep 18 2010, 12:58 PM wrote:

Btw, the problem in the 70s was that the Labor Party, led by Gough Whitlam, swept into power on Obama-style socialist rhetoric of "It's Time" (a la "Change") to become the most disastrous, corrupt, scandal-ridden government ever; bankrupting the country. The Senate blocked supply, forcing the Governor General to sack 'em. An election was promptly held which the Liberal Party (conservatives) then won in an historic landslide.




Are you saying that Whitlam was a puppet the same as Obama ?

The country was not bankrupted, events were engineered so the Senate simply had the numbers to eventually block supply.

The Khemlani loans scandal was obviously set up by Marshall Green. Get up to speed & read this. (excuse the Rense link)

http://www.rense.com/politics4/opal.htm

Whitlam and Kirk

Mid-1974: Gough Whitlam and Norman Kirk begin a series of moves absolutely against the Mafia Trilateralists. Whitlam refuses to waive restrictions on overseas borrowings to finance Alwest Aluminium Consortium of Rupert Murdoch, BHP and R.J. Reynolds. Whitlam had also ended Vietnam War support, blocked uranium mining and wanted more control over US secret spy bases - e.g. Pine Gap.

Kirk had introduced a new, tough Anti-Monopoly Bill and had tried to redistribute income from big companies to the labour force through price regulation and a wages policy.

Kirk had also rejected plans to build a second aluminium smelter near Dunedin and was preparing the Petroleum Amendment Bill to give more control over New Zealand oil resources.

Kirk had found out that Hunt Petroleum, drilling in the Great South Basin, had discovered a huge resource of oil comparable in size to the North Sea or Alaskan North Slope. Gas reserves alone now estimated at 30 times bigger than Kapuni and oil reserves of at least 20 billion barrels - enough for New Zealand to be self-sufficient for years. Oil companies completely hushed up these facts. To have announced a vast new oil source would probably mean a decline in world oil prices, which would not have allowed OPEC and Onassis plans for the Arabs to eventuate. N.Z. could be exploited at a later date, particularly since the North Sea operations were about to come on stream - Kirk was the last tohold out.

September, 1974: According to CIA sources, Kirk was killed by the Trilateralists using Sodium Morphate. Rowling's first act as NZ Prime Minister was to withdraw Kirk's Anti-Monopoly Bill and the Petroleum Amendment Bill.

Later, Rowling was to be rewarded with ambassadorship to Washington. Incidentally, the Shah of Iran was murdered the same way as Kirk on his arrival in the US.

6th October, 1974: Ray cline implements William Colby plan to oust Australian Prime Minister Whitlam. Nugan Hand Bank finances payoffs to Malcolm Fraser and other pro-US politicians. A joint bugging operation commences between CIA and ASIA.


Rupert Murdoch, playing his part, uses his newspapers and television network to spread lies and misinformation. Whitlam, as well as refusing to waive restrictions on overseas borrowing to finance the aluminium consortium, had plans to ensure that all corporations were at least 50% Australian-owned. This interfered with the Seven Sisters' plans to build three oil refineries at Cape Northumberland in South Australia to exploit the Great South Basin discovery.

December, 1974: Australian Governor-General John Kerr joins Ray Cline's payroll and received his first pay-off of US200,000 credited to his account number 767748 at the Singapore branch ofthe Nugan Hand Bank.

11th November, 1975: Governor-General Kerr sacks the Whitlam Government.




Remember Whitlam's famous statement, "Malcolm Fraser will go down in history as Kerr's cur". (along with John Howard & all the other ass holes involved)
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Postby Maat on September 19th, 2010, 5:07 am

antipodean 4 Sep 18 2010, 03:52 PM wrote:
Ma'at 4 Sep 18 2010, 12:58 PM wrote:
Btw, the problem in the 70s was that the Labor Party, led by Gough Whitlam, swept into power on Obama-style socialist rhetoric of "It's Time" (a la "Change") to become the most disastrous, corrupt, scandal-ridden government ever; bankrupting the country. The Senate blocked supply, forcing the Governor General to sack 'em. An election was promptly held which the Liberal Party (conservatives) then won in an historic landslide.


Are you saying that Whitlam was a puppet the same as Obama ?

The country was not bankrupted, events were engineered so the Senate simply had the numbers to eventually block supply.

The Khemlani loans scandal was obviously set up by Marshall Green. Get up to speed & read this.


Heard the expression, "teaching your grandmother to suck eggs?" I was actually living there, mate. ;)

Yes, I know it's easy to assume that every dramatic political FUBAR must have been deliberately engineered by nefarious, secret powers (always a great book/movie seller) ? but sometimes the truth is more trite and mundane. Jim Cairns, Juni Morosi, Al Grassby, Rex Connor, Khemlani, Lionel Murphy are just a few of the infamous names that spring to my memory.

Whitlam (who didn't come out of 'nowhere') and his blundering cronies were inept, overreaching and corrupt to the core, trying to become the 'ruling elite' of Australia (nationalizing health care, free university education etc. etc.) spending like drunken sailors; brought down by their own arrogance, greed and hubris.

Probably only Australians who have run a business and/or had to deal with the system and power structure there would have a grasp of how endemic the corruption really is. It's not referred to by those 'in the know' as a 'con man's paradise' for nothing.

However, regardless of what Constitutional method or processes were used (or even if misused) to stop Whitlam's economy-killing takeover, the undeniable fact remains that Australian voters had the final say when asked to decide if we really thought Whitlam's government should continue: "Hell no!" Game over. B)

For a basic outline of the events and causes, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Whit ... E2.80.9375
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Postby hoi.polloi on September 19th, 2010, 5:15 am

Ma'at, I don't know anything about Australian politics - literally, nothing - but this little speech of yours


Whitlam (who didn't come out of 'nowhere') and his blundering cronies were inept, overreaching and corrupt to the core, trying to become the 'ruling elite' of Australia (nationalizing health care, free university education etc. etc.) spending like drunken sailors; brought down by their own arrogance, greed and hubris.



sounds an awful lot like the people in America who keep saying 'oh Bush could never have engineered 9/11 - he's just too incompetent and dumb!' while ignoring the larger power structure at work that made him such a successful puppet.

Just my 2 cents in this little argument I don't quite follow ... forgive me, I step out now.

[Edit: P.S. I liked your geeky analysis of the GyulaVariable]
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Postby Maat on September 19th, 2010, 6:56 am

hoi.polloi 4 Sep 18 2010, 10:15 PM wrote:Ma'at, I don't know anything about Australian politics - literally, nothing - but this little speech of yours

Whitlam (who didn't come out of 'nowhere') and his blundering cronies were inept, overreaching and corrupt to the core, trying to become the 'ruling elite' of Australia (nationalizing health care, free university education etc. etc.) spending like drunken sailors; brought down by their own arrogance, greed and hubris.


sounds an awful lot like the people in America who keep saying 'oh Bush could never have engineered 9/11 - he's just too incompetent and dumb!' while ignoring the larger power structure at work that made him such a successful puppet.

Just my 2 cents in this little argument I don't quite follow ... forgive me, I step out now.


That's ok, Hoi (& thanks :)). Although I'm not quite sure how my identifying the ambitious, self-destructive, power-seeking blunders and corrupt machinations that ensured Whitlam's inevitable defeat equates to those ignoring the larger power structure that "engineered 9-11."

The first question to mind for those convinced "Bush knew" is 'which "Bush" are they referring to?' Secondly, since it seems pretty clear that 9-11 must have been planned years in advance, why would "Jr" need to know much at all, when those who did know would ensure he was 'advised' to appoint them to all the necessary positions -- to then carefully 'guide' and coach him accordingly.

Glad you brought this up, as I've wondered for a while what would be the most effective double-blind methods they could use to obviate any possible resistance and/or minimize inadvertent verbal gaffs. Wouldn't it make sense (as former Presidents have bemoaned) that to make sure a highly sensitive covert op goes smoothly, and presented more naturally, that the POTUS be kept in the dark (last to know) regarding the real situation as far as possible?

Having waited till they had just the right 'cowboy' type in place and carefully 'managed', 9-11 and its intent was "plane" sailing. No? :)

[Edit: for coherency]
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Postby Birthday Boy on September 19th, 2010, 9:49 am

Simon,

I have just finished reading transcript and listening to Monica Attard's interview with Paul Gyulavary; he's totally mendacious.

Point 1:
Often the little things give people away; e.g. Anyone who attended St Joseph's College in Geelong and who ultimately became an Australian school teacher would pronounce Warwick as [WORR-ik], just like the British. (It appears Paul's CIA acting coach overlooked this idiom.)

Point 2:
My brother died of a heroin overdose 10 years ago and my family's grief was more intense on the anniversary this year than all previously. The idea that's Paul's grief is diminishing is ridiculous.

Point 3:
Paul garbles a lot of lines but my favourite is when he says "distinguished" instead of "disintegrated".

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