Fly Away Peter, Stay home Paul

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Birthday Boy 4 Sep 19 2010, 08:49 AM wrote:
Paul garbles a lot of lines but my favourite is when he says "distinguished" instead of "disintegrated".

Indeed, Chris: it's the weirdest verbal slip for a school teacher. His phrase makes no sense at all !

"I thought his body had been distinguished in Ground Zero and there was nothing left and I, not that I thought about it that much, but it never occurred to me that his body had been found."


My personal favorite, however, is when he uses the word "authentic" to describe his brother's decision to stay put inside the burning WTC :


"The north tower's hit from the north side and the south tower was hit from the south side but Peter stayed in the south tower because he was a bit safer from this plane point of view if the plane hit another tower, you were safer staying in that building than trying to get out with any debris falling. So, being an architect and understanding disaster plans, it was authentic to stay in the building."

He might as well have said "It was dinkum to stay in the building "... :P
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Bad script writing, indeed. It sounds like somebody trying to practice NLP. Very confusing banter.

Body, body, nothing left, it never occurred to me but, plane hit this tower, plane hit that tower, building, building, plane, architect, falling, understanding disaster plans, you were safer, authentic.

I didn't see the interview clip but I can imagine the actor doing the crazy stabbing motion that they all seem to do when they say "plane".
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Chris,

I've just listened to the audio as well, and he does not sound credible or adequately literate for a "school teacher" (not that many are these days, unfortunately). I have occasionally heard some uneducated Aussies misuse "distinguish" for 'extinguish', but the pronunciation of Warwick may not be the Australian/British way for that place in New York (where his "brother" supposedly lived) -- anyone know a New Yorker here to clarify? **

There are town names in both Oz & the US that the locals pronounce differently from outsiders, e.g. knowing 'native' residents of Norwich in Connecticut when I lived there, they pronounce it Nor-wich (not Nor-itch as in England), which irritated the crap out of me :lol:

My favorite Q for laughs:

MONICA ATTARD: Paul, can I ask you, you formed a friendship, I believe, with Stuart Knox, a fellow school teacher who also lost his twin brother in the attack. Now his brother, Andrew Knox, was in the north tower I believe. Peter, as you say, was in the south tower.

What significance do you attach, if any at all, to two Australian twins dying in the twin towers?

I researched the Gyulavary name some more, and the chances of it being an authentic Hungarian surname still seem slim to none, but they sure go to considerable lengths to make it appear so.

There is a Paul Gyulavary listed as a teacher at that Catholic college in Cranbourne Vic, as he claimed he was.
Per the St. Peter's College Newsletter:
"STAFF AS AT 31st JANUARY, 2010
"Mathematics Co-ordinator: Mr Paul Gyulavary B.A.,B.Ed."

Here's a 'fun fact', there's just one Jane H Gyulavary listed in the online US White Pages -- in Warwick, NY (age: 63). The supposed sister-in-law; right age too since she was 11 years older than Peter at 44 (love the mnemonics):
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/09/natio ... AVARY.html

Could this be the same persona?
Jane Gyulavary
http://www.thehartagency.com/jgyulavary.html

Working for this company -- with some very interesting clients :ph43r::
http://www.thehartagency.com/

The only other I found was an Yvonne Gyulavary, "school council president of Mount Dandenong Primary School." mentioned in a Vic government Hansard record, of all things. Not sure if it's supposed to be connected to 'Peter/Paul' or not.

** Just found a comment online re New Yorkers' pronunciation of Warwick: "I had a reverse confusion in NY with a cabbie, I asked to be taken to the Warwick Hotel - pronouncing it worik. After some confusion he said Oh you mean the War-wick. It never occurred to me to ask for that!" - Fashionista
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Very thin cover here. Sister-in-law works for PR agency, trained to handle phone calls from the public and reporters. The twin theme follows the familiar Cantor Fitzgerald pattern. The twin that nobody ever saw got killed in the towers, and the surviving twin tells the tale. It makes it pretty easy for the actor to keep straight since all of the vital details are the same as his own.

Can somebody pull Paul's birth certificate and see if it says "twins" or "multiple births"?

Speaking of twins, shouldn't there be a ton of pictures of the twins together? Everyone takes pictures of twins.
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Just come across this.
Resources for Geelong Discovery Guides.
Resources by (2) Resources about (1) .Resources By Geelong Discovery Guides. (2)

Geelong Discovery Guides : a student office in the city / Peter Gyulavary
Gyulavary, Peter
[Book : 1982]
At Deakin Uni Library
http://trove.nla.gov.au/people/625869?c=people

But can't find anything on Gyulavary at Deakin Uni.
https://www.deakin.edu.au/deakinonline/

Unlike another 9/11 vicsim from Melbourne who is back stopped in a Uni publication.
http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... &p=2190866
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Oh gawd, this Sydney Morning Herald article from 2006 has even more nauseating, tragi-comedic dialogue, finished off with this lil' gem:
And even though it was a 'dank, dark day', Gyulavary says, an eerie, single shaft of sunlight broke through the clouds to illuminate Peter's widow, Jane.
But, it also mentions where he lives:
"Gyulavary, a high school teacher who lives in the village of Olinda outside Melbourne."

And he's listed in the Aus WhitePages:

Gyulavary P
7 Williams Rd
Olinda VIC 3788
(03) 9038 8363

Gyulavary P & Y [Maybe the wife is that 'Yvonne' I found before]
7 Williams Rd
Olinda VIC 3788
(03) 9751 1298
Mobile Service: 0417 250 416

So, any intrepid Aussies Down Under wanna try a "Jeff Hill-style" interview on Pauly boy? :D
With questions like:

[For Fred] Do you have any photos with you and your twin together as kids and before his 'departure' to the US? (Betcha they got 'lost in a fire', or something similar ;) )
Your surname is so unusual, do you know its origin or the Hungarian town(s) where your parents/grandparents were born?

Did your wife ever get to meet, or speak to, Peter?

Does she know you're paid by ASIO[CIA] via Jesuits to keep all this bullshit alive?


Click! :lol:

I know, probably a waste of time just to get more of the same predictable, unverifiable script -- but might be revealing to hear his reaction and responses to an unexpectedly skeptical interrogation. Make the bastard work for his dirty money! <_<
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If Paul Gyulavary exists he either had a twin named Peter or he didn't.

I can't help but notice a sort of similarity between Peter Gyulavary & another down under vicsim Alan Beavan.
http://www.myhero.com/go/hero.asp?hero=Beavan_BCES_911

Both marrying an American and having a daughter. Being highly qualified proffesionals with similar employment backgrounds, both contracting out their services to institutionalised organisations.

Maybe they took up the opportunity of getting out of a bad marriage, & starting new lives with new identities etc.
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antipodean 4 Sep 20 2010, 07:42 AM wrote: ... down under vicsim Alan Beavan.
Well, Antipodean:

Alan BEAVAN ("Hero of Flight 93") - 'dead at age 48' - is now listed as Alan BEAVEN on most memorials - although all early reports had him as "BEAVAN" : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1542522.stm

Image "ALAN BEAVEN" http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx?PersonID=91569

Anyhow, Alan from New Zealand must have been an extremely bright young fellow - an apparent Professor of Constitutional Law at King's college in London...at the tender age of 24! Here is a passionate March 2010 tribute by his French pupil Christine:


March 03, 2010

Dear Alan,
In 1977-1978 you were my Constitutional Law Professor at King's College in London. You helped me go through the roughest times of my life : my mother had just died very suddenly (of a stroke) at the age of 48 in November 1977. When I returned to London in February 1978, I thought I would never be able to overcome my grief and resume studing English law. I would sit in your office in tears and you would say : "Cry, Christine! Let the tears flow!".

(...blablabla...)

In June 2008 I gave a talk at Rutgers on American legal theory : it was dedicated to you. I had found out only a year or so earlier that you were in the 9/11 crash. Be it a co?ncidence (or not) : I had just moved from Paris to Santa Barbara owing to my encounter with a Romanian Prince. La vie est belle, mais assur?ment tu as rendue la mienne encore plus belle. Merci Alan!



Christine Chodkiewicz, Goleta, California

http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/guestbo ... 569&page=2

I just love happy endings - and aah - the gripping, romantic worldliness of it all... Christine from Paris writes of grief and new-found happiness to her dead London law college professor from New Zealand - as she surfs the interwebs in the Californian mansion of her freshly conquered Romanian Prince...* sigh *
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Here are public records that are already on the Internet for anyone to go and see.

http://www.univ-paris1.fr/it/ecoles-doc ... nnee-2000/

Christine Chodkiewicz

L'urgence en mati?re de conflits de juridictions

Soutenue le 8 novembre 2000 (mention tr?s honorable avec f?licitations)

Directeur : Paul Lagarde

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New contents of mansion?

http://35007.net/Details.aspx?st=40&q=& ... 40&src=NID

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Bill of Lading Number : ECUIPARLAX006640

Buyer DR CHRISTINE CHODKIEWICZ
Buyer contact info: 214 HILLVIEW DRIVE GOLETA GOLETA US 93117 CA
Supplier DR CHRISTINE CHODKIEWICZ
Supplier contact info 80 RUE MC MENILMONTANT ESC. 2 TH FLOOR RIGHT PARIS FRANCE 75020 FR
Origin Country/Place: FRANCE
Port of Loading Le Havre France
Port of Discharge EWARK, NJ
Cargo Weigth 2500.00 KG
Cargo Quantity 268.00 PACKA
Description of Cargo: BOOKS, FURNITURES, HOUSEHOLD, ITEMS, CLOTHES
Date of Arrival 2008-02-03


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Middle class suburb. House last sold in 1997. White surveillance van parked out front in street view. lol
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Look's like Christine has decided to have her surname changed to Putinar. Is that a Romanian name ?

IN THE MATTER
OF THE APPLICATION OF CHRISTINE CHODKIEWICZ ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE FOR CHANGE OF NAME: CASE NUMBER 1371325 TO ALL INTERESTED PERSONS: A petition has been filed by the above named Petitioner(s) in Santa Barbara Superior court proposing a change of name(s) FROM and TO the following name(s): FROM: Christine Chodkiewicz TO: Christine Putinar THE COURT ORDERS that all persons interested in this matter shall appear before this court at the hearing indicated below to show cause, if any, why the petition for change of name should not be granted. NOTICE OF HEARING, November 18 , 2010 9:30am, Dept 6, 1100 Anacapa St, Santa Barbara CA 93101. A copy of this order to Show Cause shall be published in the Independent, a newspaper of general circulation, printed in this county, at least once each week for four successive weeks prior to the date set for hearing on the petition. Dated September 07, 2010. by Terri Chavez; Deputy Clerk for Denise de Bellefeuille, Judge of the Superior Court. Published. Sep 23, 30. Oct 7, 14 2010.
http://classifieds.independent.com/deta ... 0&offset=1

I think her change of name should not be granted, because she is of unsound character, entering bullshit tributes on memorial sites.

Also here's another strange entry from page 1 of Beavan's guest book.

April 10, 2010
i love you second daddy<3
~ Maddie Mae, santa barbara, California

Edit, googled Putinar, & look what comes up.
http://www.math.ucsb.edu/~mputinar/

http://www.epernicus.com/mp38

In his CV he's been a professor in residence at Los Alamos Laboratories New Mexico.
http://www.math.ucsb.edu/~mputinar/CV.pdf
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Just found this on the 'lets roll' forum.

It's an interview with Alan Beavan's widow 1 year after 9/11, I remember seeing this when it was first screened.

It really is worth a look, amongst other things his wife proudly shows off the wedding ring found in the flight 93 wreckage. Some of it is quite laughable.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/2071197

Poor Alan the nice guy Environmental Lawyer, must be rolling in his grave at the thought of his favorite pupil marrying a Professor, who was a professor in residence at Los Alamos.
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With the level of surrealism in the official story, I would not actually be surprised if the news announced that the undead zombie of Alan Beavan rolled out of his grave and is wandering the streets of Manhattan.
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antipodean 4 Sep 24 2010, 10:45 AM wrote: Look's like Christine has decided to have her surname changed to Putinar. Is that a Romanian name ?

IN THE MATTER
OF THE APPLICATION OF CHRISTINE CHODKIEWICZ ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE FOR CHANGE OF NAME: CASE NUMBER 1371325 TO ALL INTERESTED PERSONS: A petition has been filed by the above named Petitioner(s) in Santa Barbara Superior court proposing a change of name(s) FROM and TO the following name(s): FROM: Christine Chodkiewicz TO: Christine Putinar THE COURT ORDERS that all persons interested in this matter shall appear before this court at the hearing indicated below to show cause, if any, why the petition for change of name should not be granted. NOTICE OF HEARING, November 18 , 2010 9:30am, Dept 6, 1100 Anacapa St, Santa Barbara CA 93101. A copy of this order to Show Cause shall be published in the Independent, a newspaper of general circulation, printed in this county, at least once each week for four successive weeks prior to the date set for hearing on the petition. Dated September 07, 2010. by Terri Chavez; Deputy Clerk for Denise de Bellefeuille, Judge of the Superior Court. Published. Sep 23, 30. Oct 7, 14 2010.
http://classifieds.independent.com/deta ... 0&offset=1

I think her change of name should not be granted, because she is of unsound character, entering bullshit tributes on memorial sites.

Also here's another strange entry from page 1 of Beavan's guest book.

April 10, 2010
i love you second daddy<3
~ Maddie Mae, santa barbara, California

Edit, googled Putinar, & look what comes up.
http://www.math.ucsb.edu/~mputinar/

http://www.epernicus.com/mp38

In his CV he's been a professor in residence at Los Alamos Laboratories New Mexico.
http://www.math.ucsb.edu/~mputinar/CV.pdf
Excellent find, Antipodean.

In addition to being a visiting/in-residence professor at Los Alamos, his research was financed by Los-Alamos/DOE:

2006 Department of Energy-Los Alamos Laboratory Research Grant (co-PI)

http://www.math.ucsb.edu/~mputinar/CV.pdf

And we find ourselves with another Los Alamos connection to 9/11. I suspect that we'll find other Los Alamos connections in digging through the VicSim evidence.

A reminder of the connections between Los Alamos, the covert military weapons-development laboratory, and 9/11:

-Jack Shulman, alleged cousin of WTC vicsim "Mark Shulman", has been outed as having ties to Los Alamos.

-9/11 Truth "leaders" Steven Jones and David Kubiak are closely tied to Los Alamos. Jones was a Los Alamos physicist and Kubiak is a Los Alamos communications director who works closely with Russ George, a Los Alamos researcher.

-Michael Bazant, who shilled for the official theory of the collapses in a detailed and flimsy report released only two days after 9/11 (Quick investigation, Mike!), had received funding from Los Alamos.

-Van Romero, who was announcing that "a relatively small amount of explosives" caused the collapses (Setting conspiracy-theories on the "controlled demolition" track) only days after the attacks, has close ties to Los Alamos.

-John Hutchison, the inventor whose experiments exhibit effects similar to those at Ground Zero, was monitored/researched by Los Alamos, who observed/filmed the "Hutchison Effect". If the "Hutchison Effect" is an authentic lead, as Andrew Johnson, Judy Wood, Morgan Reynolds, and Chester Bernstein suggest, then this implicates Los Alamos as having developed the "9/11 weapons system". If the "Hutchison Effect" is another false lead, however, then it implicates Los Alamos as having helped to develop the fraud.
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brianv wrote:This ties in with the Australian twin non-victim "Gyulavary" having his resume posted on an empty fake website on the 10th

http://www.west.com.au/gyulavary/

Page updated by Author - 10 September 2001
Brian, FYI:

Our Italian member (and Wayback Machine expert) "enantiodromie" has contacted me on Skype and points out that this page http://www.west.com.au/gyulavary/ was created only on October 20, 2001.

I presume Peter Gyulavary posted his professional profile from the Holy Heavens one month after his death - just for the hell of it? :huh:
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reel.deal wrote:Image
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maybe I'm off-topic, but please use http://tinypic.com/ because image shack often delete images from his database.

Btw: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www ... gyulavary/

page was also modified on 12/02/02
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