simonshack wrote:Dear ATTC,
An independent journalist in Oregon, Ersun Warncke, actually did perform this tedious task and came up with this data:
Out of 2,970 9/11 victims listed, only 446 appear in the Social Security death index. Of those only 249 have a confirmed death certificate on file.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/sept ... ons-ew.php
The two of us had a lengthy chat on Skype this summer and he turned that into a really good article/interview.
Please leave a comment there - on the Salem News - if you feel like it !
Obviously some sort of explosives brought down the towers correct?
Why is it so unfathomable that people were killed in an initial explosion?
Over half the people listed as real outside of rescue workers worked for either Marsh and McLennan or Cantor Fitzgerald.
Obviously the main plot of 9/11 wouldn't be to take these people out
but let's not overlook the fact that there could have been multiple levels of agendas of corruption going on that day.
it's pretty ridiculous to say that there is no possible way ANYONE died
How could explosives powerful enough to take down a building not result in any deaths?
And why would the WTC be completely vacant on 9/11?
I think the discovery of no planes has made people go too extreme in their opinions on 9/11.
Sure TV Fakery is the head of the snake that exposes the media perps, but let's not pretend that the Twin Towers are still standing.
Obviously SOMETHING brought down the towers, and whatever it was, the initial explosion to simulate a "plane" it's not that unfeasible that lives were lost.
And considering the alarming rate in which people who worked for less than handful of companies that dominate those records (Marsh and McLennan/ Cantor Fitzgerald, and Aon) again perhaps Mr. Grove is telling the truth after all.
It makes sense that the main people who have the most evidence that they were dead would be people near the initial explosion AND the rescue workers.
The people on the floors in the initial explosion
...rescue workers because they were looking for people when the Towers came down, another act in which chances of survival are not exactly high.
They had no idea those buildings were coming down.
ATTC wrote:Yeah I'm pretty sure no one dies in a controlled demolition because people KNOW it's a controlled demolition and no one is even let anywhere near the building.
How can you compare a demolition job that everyone knows is a demo job so far in advance that they even bring their cameras to watch, and what happened on 9/11?
Speaking of which, why in the world would they want to evacuate the building so all the people who go outside can clearly SEE the explosion and no plane? They probably wanted as few people on the street as possible.
And don't you realize the burden of proof is on our court to prove that there were no victims?
And the real question is why is it so upsetting for you that there could have been victims?
And don't you realize that even if there was a handful of real victims, that would be the only thing that people would need to point to to ruin the whole theory?
Why start with that extreme a position?
Isn't falsifying the number of deaths by 20 fold worse enough?
Isn't bringing down those towers bad enough?
You think these people would be nice enough to not take away any lives on 9/11?
Why do you think TPTB are that nice that they would warn everybody in advance?
If anything it would be just like those cruel maniacal people to at least insure SOME loss of life, but just to inflate the death toll to make sure we go through with their foreign and domestic policy
Yeah they may warn a few of their henchman like Rudolph "9/11" Guliani especially to use him as a political weapon, but they hardly care about the rest of the civilians that would just be pawns and collateral damage in their eyes.
ATTC wrote:it's pretty ridiculous to say that there is no possible way ANYONE died from that.
fbenario wrote:ATTC wrote:it's pretty ridiculous to say that there is no possible way ANYONE died from that.
How dare you say that? No one here has EVER come remotely close to saying there is no possible way anyone died on 9/11. What we theorize is that there is no credible proof as of this time that any real person (who can be proved to have existed before 9/11) died that day as a result of whatever happened.
We require all new members to understand the septemberclues video, AND the Vicsim Report, before they start posting. There are 1000s of websites that welcome discussion of 9/11 planes, hijackers, Muslims, and victims. This forum isn't one of them - in fact, it is the ONLY website discussing all these faked 9/11 'facts'. You need to go elsewhere if you want to post about victims, unless you can provide objective evidence likely to convince the neutral reader.
Don't ever again put made-up words into our mouths, assume that's what we think, and then negate/laugh at that fabricated position that we don't hold.
EDIT - And stop talking about financial firm tenants of the WTC, unless you provide credible evidence of their presence, along with 100s of their employees, that day.
fred wrote:I would say that it sure looks like Marsh and Cantor Fitzgerald were major, willing participants in the 9/11 hoax, as were various CNN / Network / Fake News TV producers such as Theresa and Jack Renaud (just my opinion).
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