Fake "Fake News"?

The most common objection people have to our research: "Too many people would have been involved to pull off such a massive hoax." Well, with trillions of taxpayers' dollars at hand, this operation could certainly afford contracting many individuals (under a gag order and on a need-to-know basis). Meet the real - and unreal - persons, companies & entities assigned to carry out this gigantic, media & military-assisted psyop.

Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby daozen on December 28th, 2011, 6:43 pm

HonestlyNow wrote:I like Rand's writings because she gets to the core of the issue. Powerful words that make sense. Is she
perfect? Of course not.

daozen wrote:Capitalism loves Rand's objectivism as she helps justify the system, a selfish system that fails to acknoledge the communal nature of human beings, depends on endless consumption, allows hierarchies to develope a section of people with overwhelming power over others, and has devastating effects on the environment, hence our selves.


How are you defining capitalism, then?

"Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned."
-- A.Rand

The so-called "capitalism" we are experiencing is mixed in with state controls ad nauseum. Our current system gives capitalism a bad name, it is not true laissez-faire capitalism. Such an animal, we have yet to experience. Heck, we can't even own our own means of exchange i.e. money, without the state getting involved.

Where does a system based on true individual rights disallow people from being social and being benevolent (as I infer from your characterization of man having a "communal nature"), where all actions and agreements between people are voluntary in nature, and those that are not, would not be tolerated. This would, of course, necessitate a certain number of persons in said society to hold a proper rational philosophy to keep any thugs in their place, hence the importance of philosophy.

Now, if by "communal nature", you're saying that the proper social system should be communism/socialism/altruism . . . which all say that man does not exist for his own sake, but for the sake of others. Others have hold over your life. You have a hold over another's life. By what standards? How does one decide what is owed and what can be taken from another? Is this life, or anti-life? Can a system as such be voluntary, and stay voluntary? Once it's not voluntary, then are you saying that the initiation of force is a moral action . . . because . . .why? Because the individual owes his life to the greater good.

Sorry, that doesn't work for me.
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I realize that this is all off-topic.
There being no shortage of writing on this all important subject, and me not being a professor of same, and no end of arguments between the theories of differing social systems, I will now leave you to your own research and thinking on this matter.

Peace.


OK, well, if you allow me, I will only respond to this last post of yours and leave you to it, no need to respond.

As you say the concept of "property" is a fundamental one in capitalism. I argue that it's a delusional one. It's labeled a right, which predesposes a will to defend it but if you think about it all "property" has been stolen from someone or something and it's a way to justifty it. At the same time capitalism was installed after those in power had most land and most of everything really, so it was convinient to bring in laws and a system to protect it. Isn't the whole of america property of the indians? Oh well, if you kill them you can now call all of the resources "yours" I guess. Most wealth most people have has has been inherited from someone.

Capitalism also installs and reinforces a competitive mentality (that developed naturally to a world of scarcity we no longer live in), where one's survival depends on stepping on your fellow man one way or another. Is it any wonder we have a super elite playing puppets with the rest of the world in order to benefit themselves? They are nothing but the best player's in this silly game. This argument that there's "too much goverment intervention" fails to realize that most governments are only fronts to large corporations which are the one's that trully make the laws and calls that benefit them. On the other hand imagine the atrocites some corporations would get away with without gov intervention.

Capitalism also works under the employer/employee/consumer cycle of endless consuption, it DEPENDS on consumption, which is a self destructive cycle in a planet with limited resources. Companies benefit from scarcity. In the same way diamonds are precious because they are scarce, Cocacola benefits from polluted bodies of water as it vastly increases bottled water sales dramatically. If your grandma was told she would once have to pay for bottled water she would have laughed.

No one befits from solving problems that don't profit, the problem of hunger and poverty (the main cause of violence and crime) has no profit, which is why it's only getting worse. The myth of uncurable cancer and AIDS prolong sickness, and benefits a lot more from squeezing money slowly that than from curing it. The medical industry in the US is the most profitable of them all!

I'm not a communist, a socialist or anything else, those philosphies are static and there's no need to label. The universe is dynamic and knowledge needs to keep moving always, which is something science embraces. I don't have all the answers no one does, I do realize though, that what's best for me, being as selfish as I can be, is that my community has the same quality of life as I do, and nowadays the world is my community, like it or not. What's best for me is what's best for my community not some alien "greater good". The most violent countries are the one's where the most social stratification there is, and the reverse is also very true. Why would I be afraid of theft if everyone else has the same acces to resources. With the technology we have today that is easily possible.

Plus, the free market is only as free as your wallet allows, if you are born in a poor family, which most of the world does, do you have any real choice in terms of what you do other than get the highest paying job you can get and try to survive that way, you are a slave to the system from birth. Before, owners took care of their slaves, today slaves take care of their own, and as it's been said before in here, no one is more enslaved than those who foolishly think they are free.
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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby daozen on December 28th, 2011, 6:47 pm

whatsgoingon wrote:In any case, we can extend this logic to many areas and learn that the way capitalism works is by lies, slight of hand, and trickery - -there is nothing honest in the system.

The script is pre-written. The moves in the markets. The bank failures. The housing collapse. The 9/11 attacks. The stock market moves. All this is set in motion like a clock. So the financials are making money with pre-knowledge. Those that run the show, control the regulatory bodies and the fakery. The whole market system is a joke if fakery is the modus operandi.


Exactly! so called "government intervention" is nothing but the natural result of capitalism.
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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby daozen on January 4th, 2012, 7:54 pm

HonestlyNow wrote:
I honestly don't see the problem with advocating the use of technology and science as the main guide to our lives.
(emphasis added)
As in, using technology to provide your values, to tell you what actions to take? How does that work?
As best I can, I use my reason and my consciousness of reality to guide my life. That is, I do my best to think for myself. I choose my own values, not the hand-me-down values of the media or society.



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm2Jrr0tRXk

what's up with this youtube link tool?


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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby whatsgoingon on January 4th, 2012, 11:49 pm

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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby fbenario on January 5th, 2012, 2:54 am

daozen wrote:(Fixed. Please open this post and see what part of the YT url should be used. - simon)[/color]

Simon, could you please tell the rest of us, also, how to embed a YouTube video. Thanks.
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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby daozen on January 5th, 2012, 3:44 am

fbenario wrote:
daozen wrote:(Fixed. Please open this post and see what part of the YT url should be used. - simon)[/color]

Simon, could you please tell the rest of us, also, how to embed a YouTube video. Thanks.


use only what's after...

watch?v=

...this was placed between the... [youtube]s in this case:

Mm2Jrr0tRXk
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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby fbenario on January 6th, 2012, 2:45 am

daozen wrote:
fbenario wrote:
daozen wrote:(Fixed. Please open this post and see what part of the YT url should be used. - simon)[/color]

Simon, could you please tell the rest of us, also, how to embed a YouTube video. Thanks.


use only what's after...

watch?v=

...this was placed between the... [youtube]s in this case:

Mm2Jrr0tRXk

Got it - thank you so much!
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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby daozen on January 8th, 2012, 1:04 am

daozen wrote:
hoi.polloi wrote:Yes, Peter Joseph isn't a real person. That's the point of him, I think.


really? :huh:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKiIsZwkTiI

He might be wrong about 9/11, wikileaks and fukushima but there's absolutely no reason to think he is not just genuinely wrong about it cause he hasn't looked at the footage closely. If someone where to reach him and show him septemeber clues or something he would definately see it imo.
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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby AnonymousTruther2 on January 12th, 2012, 2:09 am

What do you think about that?
Video accuses US Marines of urinating on Taliban bodies

WASHINGTON, DC — A video that appears to show United States Marines urinating on the dead bodies of Taliban fighters could implicate those involved in war crimes, CNN reported on Wednesday.

The 39-second video posted on YouTube and TMZ.com appears to show combat-ready soldiers desecrating the remains of several bodies on the ground; it’s titled “Marines peeing on taliban.”

CNN said a Marine Corps official identified the soldiers as being from a sniper squad based on their equipment, including helmets and weapons. In extreme cases, an act such as urinating on a body could be construed as a war crime, the official told the network.

A user named “semperfiLoneVoice” uploaded the video to YouTube on Tuesday.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JJhQGCZ9u8

According to the caption beneath the video, the soldiers are “a scout sniper team assigned to 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marines, out of Camp Lejeune, N.C.”

"I thought Marines were suppose (sic) to do the right thing when no one is watching,” the caption says.

"We recently became aware of an inappropriate video on a public website that appears to involve members of our military," International Security Assistance Force spokesman Col. Gary Kolb told CNN. "We will not speculate on the details but will take all necessary actions to determine the facts."

The U.S. Marine Corps has launched an investigation. There is little information about who posted the video, where it was filmed, or who is involved. One of the men says in the video, “Have a great day, buddy,” while another asks if they were being filmed, the Chicago Tribune said.

“Golden, like a shower,” the man says.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... ban-bodies
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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby daozen on January 12th, 2012, 3:07 am

probably real.... just a smokescreen and/or incitement.
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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby Dmitry on January 12th, 2012, 7:22 pm

CryptoAnarchist wrote:I asked in another thread "Who owns Russia Today?" because they are definitely bullshit. Especially when every person out here that I've suspected of being a perp has been on Russia Today. OMG, and don't get me started on their shameless promotion of freemason Peter Joseph.


IMHO, "Russia Today" is owned by... the Russian Government. It's a very expensive PR project with an evident goal : provide the Western public with a different (as in "think different") shampoo for brainwashing.

OK, they learned the English like secret agents, they settled in USA, they are fed and funded very well. But where to get the material? Especially, what experts to interview?

I wonder if Nobel prize winners, real politicians and celebrities will gladly cooperate with RT. Russian experts are not at all interesting for the target audience. So, what to do? They have no other option than promoting dubious people. It needs not to be conspiracy.
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Re: Fake "Fake News"?

Postby daozen on June 15th, 2014, 4:14 am

Well 2 years later I've changed my stance...

I had trouble thinking such a smart person would be a shill but it's gotten hard to think he is legit. Specially with the heavy Lenin alusion clothing....

Anyway, I wonder if any of you mind re-opening the To Sim or Not to Sim I found to have existed on the reality shack forums?
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