CANTOR FITZGERALD - top 9/11 vicsim hub

The most common objection people have to our research: "Too many people would have been involved to pull off such a massive hoax." Well, with trillions of taxpayers' dollars at hand, this operation could certainly afford contracting many individuals (under a gag order and on a need-to-know basis). Meet the real - and unreal - persons, companies & entities assigned to carry out this gigantic, media & military-assisted psyop.

CANTOR FITZGERALD - top 9/11 vicsim hub

Postby fakers911 on October 13th, 2010, 10:15 pm

According to the below post by Simonshack, I was curious for the most common surnames and the numbers which would be statistically correct in The United States. Therefor I've tried to find a site which displays the most common surnames and their numbers in the U.S. See below Simon's post for the results I've found. I was not sure if you guys did this allready, but if so... then too bad for me:



THE CANTOR "TWIN PATTERNS"
by Simon Shack - Aug 10, 2010


Throughout this long yet fascinating "vicsim" research, I have noticed one particular thing when it comes to wrap our heads around it all (not saying I myself have managed to wrap it all up yet!..). This one thing has to do with the coincidental repetition of given patterns which, as I see it, are quite extraordinary. Yet, many people seem to shove the 'haphazard coincidences' aside - in favor of other oddities which arouse their thinkbone more compellingly. However, I believe no crime investigation can totally ignore issues of 'statistical probability', so allow me to set forth my latest observations.

I have compared and merged two separate listings of the alleged Cantor Fitzgerald victims of 9/11. The 'merging' was necessary as the approx. 360 names of each listing do not always match - don't ask me why! Let us also, for now, ignore the fact that the official Cantor death-toll reported by the media was "658". There is simply no complete listing of those 658 names to be found anywhere on the internet. So, we are dealing here with 2 listings of 360 names of alleged employees of one single company.

OFFICIAL CANTOR FITZGERALD MEMORIAL
http://www.cantorfamilies.com/cantor/js ... .jsp?LNL=A

CANTOR FITZGERALD VICTIMS' MASS SERVICE LISTING
http://myfriendsphotos.tripod.com/cf.html

What strikes me as extraordinary is the amount of identical/similar surnames of employees allegedly working at Cantor Fitzgerald. Moreover, I wonder, just how common is it for pairs of brothers/sisters/cousins to clinch a plum job (and work in the same offices) of a top-notch NY financial company? Out of the approx 360 names listed, we may find as many as 29 groupings of identical surnames (totalling 70 employees). Note that there are such groupings for almost every single letter of the alphabet in the Cantor Fitzgerald 'victim lists'.


ABATE Andrew
ABATE Vincent
(alleged brothers)

ADAMS Donald L.
ADAMS Shannon L.

BURKE Matthew
BURKE Thomas
(no apparent relation - Irish surname)

BRENNAN Edward A. III
BRENNAN Frank. H.

CAHILL Scott Walker
CAHILL Thomas
(no apparent relation /both have fathers called "James"/ Irish surname)

CANGELOSI Vincent
CANGIALOSI Steve
(not common Italian surnames)

COLAIO Mark
COLAIO Stephen
(alleged brothers)

COLEMAN Keith Eugene
COLEMAN Scott Thomas
(alleged brothers)

EGAN Lisa
EGAN Samantha
(apparent sisters- Irish surname)

GALANTE Grace
GALANTE Deanna
(wives of cousins Anthony Galante and Giovanni Galante)

GALLAGHER Anthony
GALLAGHER John
GALLAGHER Daniel
(Irish surnames - but 3 of them?))

GRAZIOSO John
GRAZIOSO Timothy G
(apparent brothers)

GARDNER Doug
GARDNER William (Bill)
(no apparent relation)

HOFFMAN Stephen G.
HOFFMAN Michelle
HOFFMAN Frederick J.
HOFFMAN Marcia
(common German surnames - but 4 of them?)

JONES Christopher D.
JONES Donald Thomas
JONES Donald W.
(was Christopher's middle-name also "Donald" ?)

KELLY James J.
KELLY Joseph A.
KELLY Timothy
(common Irish surnames - but 3 of them?)

LYNCH Farrell
LYNCH Michael
LYNCH Sean
LYNCH Sean Patrick
(common Irish surnames - but 4 of them?)

MC CARTHY Justin
MC CARTHY Justine (ok, perhaps a typo - but on an obituary??)
MC CARTHY Kevin
MC CARTHY Robert
(common Irish surnames - but 4 of them?)

MONAHAN Franklyn
MONAHAN John
(Irish surnames)

MORRIS Lynne I.
MORRIS Seth

MURPHY Brian J.
MURPHY Charles
MURPHY Edward C.
MURPHY James
(common Irish surnames - but 4 of them?)

PALAZZO Tommy
PALAZZOLO Richard
(not exceedingly common Italian surnames)

PEREZ Anthony
PEREZ Angela Susan
(very common latino surnames - both with non-latino first names)

ROSENBAUM Brooke David
ROSENBAUM Sheryl Rosner

ROSENBLUM Andrew I.
ROSENBLUM Joshua

SHEA Joseph
SHEA Daniel
(Irish surnames)

SIMON Ken
SIMON Michael John
SIMON Marianne

THOMPSON Glenn
THOMPSON Nigel Bruce

VALE Felix A.
VALE Ivan



I have used the following site to come to my conclusions: http://names.mongabay.com/most_common_surnames.htm

No geographical statistics are included.

There are 360 names that are known, but I used 300 in my calculations, to make it a little easier.

ABATE:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00144
Statistically out of 300: 0,00432

ADAMS:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,15313
Statistically out of 300: 0,45939

BURKE:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,04418
Statistically out of 300: 0,13254

BRENNAN:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,0179
Statistically out of 300: 0,0537


CAHILL:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00748
Statistically out of 300: 0,02244

CANGELOSI:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00057
Statistically out of 300: 0,00171

COLAIO (NOT LISTED):
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2

COLEMAN:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,07734
Statistically out of 300: 0,23202

EGAN:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00834
Statistically out of 300: 0,02502

GALANTE:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00137
Statistically out of 300: 0,00411

GALLAGHER:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 3
Statistically out of 100: 0,02524
Statistically out of 300: 0,07572

GRAZIOSO:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00011
Statistically out of 300: 0,00033

GARDNER:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,0514
Statistically out of 300: 0,1542

HOFFMAN:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 4
Statistically out of 100: 0,049
Statistically out of 300: 0,147

JONES:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 3
Statistically out of 100: 0,50517
Statistically out of 300: 1,51551

KELLY:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 3
Statistically out of 100: 0,09652
Statistically out of 300: 0,28956

LYNCH:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 4
Statistically out of 100: 0,04243
Statistically out of 300: 0,12729

MC CARTHY:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 4
Statistically out of 100: 0,003004
Statistically out of 300: 0,009012

MONAHAN:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00558
Statistically out of 300: 0,01674

MORRIS:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,11557
Statistically out of 300: 0,34671

MURPHY:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 4
Statistically out of 100: 0,11139
Statistically out of 300: 0,33417

PALAZZO:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00114
Statistically out of 300: 0,00342

PEREZ:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,18109
Statistically out of 300: 0,54327

ROSENBAUM:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00333
Statistically out of 300: 0,00999

ROSENBLUM:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00153
Statistically out of 300: 0,00459

SHEA:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,01189
Statistically out of 300: 0,03567

SIMON:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 3
Statistically out of 100: 0,02774
Statistically out of 300: 0,08322

THOMPSON:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,23887
Statistically out of 300: 0,71661

VALE:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00117
Statistically out of 300: 0,00351

As you can see, Cantor Fitzgerald has some statistically very extraordinary numbers in common names of their victims.
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Postby hoi.polloi on October 13th, 2010, 11:41 pm

That's interesting. I would have guessed the opposite - that our better judgment was subtle enough to pick up on fakery although the chances of double and triple names are actually pretty high.

The idea that the double triple names are not only statistically improbable but that we didn't recognize how improbable they are should make us re-examine other things we may have taken for granted as suspicious.

Thanks for doing this little math game!

If you wanted to really prove the case, you might want to spell "statistically" correctly and measure the chances for 400.

If the numbers are still low for 400 names, it would be absurd for anything lower - like 360 - to be considered "likely." Would you be willing to recalculate for us and show everyone how you came to this conclusion? :)
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Postby fakers911 on October 13th, 2010, 11:53 pm

hoi.polloi 4 Oct 14 2010, 12:41 AM wrote: That's interesting. I would have guessed the opposite - that our better judgment was subtle enough to pick up on fakery although the chances of double and triple names are actually pretty high.

The idea that the double triple names are not only statistically improbable but that we didn't recognize how improbable they are should make us re-examine other things we may have taken for granted as suspicious.

Thanks for doing this little math game!


Well, I have to admit that these numbers are not accurate enought to prove that it is very unlikely to have those names within one company of about 300 persons.

If you have 1 person, the probability that this person has a name which is listed among the 200 most common names, is about 25%

So if this person is going to work for a company which has 200 employees, the probability that one of them has the same name is also 25%

But the percentages are much much lower for the less common names. So I guess that you see what I mean.

To be sure if Cantor has some really extraordinary numbers, you have to do a calculation of probability, I guess. Unfortunately I am no good with these type of calculations, so if there is some one who is, then go ahead please. I also am afraid that it will take a while to do a representative calculation.

No maths teachers around? :P
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Postby fakers911 on October 14th, 2010, 11:42 am

hoi.polloi 4 Oct 14 2010, 12:41 AM wrote: If you wanted to really prove the case, you might want to spell "statistically" correctly and measure the chances for 400.

If the numbers are still low for 400 names, it would be absurd for anything lower - like 360 - to be considered "likely." Would you be willing to recalculate for us and show everyone how you came to this conclusion? :)


Sure I would like to do that:

ABATE:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00144
Statistically out of 300: 0,00432
Statistically out of 400: 0,00576

ADAMS:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,15313
Statistically out of 300: 0,45939
Statistically out of 400: 0,61252

BURKE:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,04418
Statistically out of 300: 0,13254
Statistically out of 400: 0,17672

BRENNAN:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,0179
Statistically out of 300: 0,0537
Statistically out of 400: 0,0716

CAHILL:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00748
Statistically out of 300: 0,02244
Statistically out of 400: 0,02992

CANGELOSI:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00057
Statistically out of 300: 0,00171
Statistically out of 400: 0,00228

COLAIO (NOT LISTED):
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2

COLEMAN:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,07734
Statistically out of 300: 0,23202
Statistically out of 400: 0,30936

EGAN:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00834
Statistically out of 300: 0,02502
Statistically out of 400: 0,03336

GALANTE:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00137
Statistically out of 300: 0,00411
Statistically out of 400: 0,00548

GALLAGHER:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 3
Statistically out of 100: 0,02524
Statistically out of 300: 0,07572
Statistically out of 400: 0,10096

GRAZIOSO:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00011
Statistically out of 300: 0,00033
Statistically out of 400: 0,00044

GARDNER:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,0514
Statistically out of 300: 0,1542
Statistically out of 400: 0,2056

HOFFMAN:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 4
Statistically out of 100: 0,049
Statistically out of 300: 0,147
Statistically out of 400: 0,196

JONES:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 3
Statistically out of 100: 0,50517
Statistically out of 300: 1,51551
Statistically out of 400: 2,02068

KELLY:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 3
Statistically out of 100: 0,09652
Statistically out of 300: 0,28956
Statistically out of 400: 0,38608

LYNCH:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 4
Statistically out of 100: 0,04243
Statistically out of 300: 0,12729
Statistically out of 400: 0,16972

MC CARTHY:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 4
Statistically out of 100: 0,003004
Statistically out of 300: 0,009012
Statistically out of 400: 0,012016

MONAHAN:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00558
Statistically out of 300: 0,01674
Statistically out of 400: 0,02232

MORRIS:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,11557
Statistically out of 300: 0,34671
Statistically out of 400: 0,46228

MURPHY:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 4
Statistically out of 100: 0,11139
Statistically out of 300: 0,33417
Statistically out of 400: 0,44556

PALAZZO:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00114
Statistically out of 300: 0,00342
Statistically out of 400: 0,00456

PEREZ:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,18109
Statistically out of 300: 0,54327
Statistically out of 400: 0,72436

ROSENBAUM:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00333
Statistically out of 300: 0,00999
Statistically out of 400: 0,01332

ROSENBLUM:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00153
Statistically out of 300: 0,00459
Statistically out of 400: 0,00612

SHEA:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,01189
Statistically out of 300: 0,03567
Statistically out of 400: 0,04756

SIMON:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 3
Statistically out of 100: 0,02774
Statistically out of 300: 0,08322
Statistically out of 400: 0,11096


THOMPSON:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,23887
Statistically out of 300: 0,71661
Statistically out of 400: 0,95548

VALE:
Cantor Fitzgerald: 2
Statistically out of 100: 0,00117
Statistically out of 300: 0,00351
Statistically out of 400: 0,00468

How I came to these numbers:

Very simple. Let's take VALE for instance. Look up the name through the link I have supported. Check out the last column. There is the percentage of people with that name out of 100.000 people. In the case of VALE that is 1.17%. Devide 1.17 by 1000 and you will get the percentage of VALE's out of 100 people. Now multiply that by 3 or 4 to get the percentage out of 300 of 400 respectively.

DISCLAIMER: This is not a correct calculation of possibility, but to my opinion it does show that it will be rather unlikely that out of 360 people, there would be 29 sets of double surnames. Is it impossible? No! Is it probable? Hell no!
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Postby simonshack on October 14th, 2010, 3:38 pm

fakers911 4 Oct 14 2010, 10:42 AM wrote: Is it impossible? No! Is it probable? Hell no!


Thanks for highlighting the absurdities of the Cantor vicsims database.
I believe another factor to consider is the simple fact that we're talking here about a top financial firm based in possibly the most international metropolis on the planet. If this namelist represented school-records from some remote, inter-breeding Irish village with some history of Italian immigration, it would have sounded more plausible...


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Introducing the charming Cantor Fitzgerald CEO Howard Lutnick :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jztfX-RYknA
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And his charming sister - Edith Lutnick:


"Edith (Edie) Lutnick lost her brother Gary in the World Trade Center on 9/11. She is the co-founder, Office and Executive Director of The Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund."

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn0ETDLaFjg


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Is it impossible that the Lutnicks are Low-Life Liars? No. Is it probable? No?

And if it's against the Invisionfree rules to call out swindlers of the highest caliber - with a vast body of evidence to back it up - then so be it. This forum is not going to bow down to any censorship devised for the protection of duly suspected con-men and financial criminals.
http://www.septemberclues.info
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Postby fakers911 on October 14th, 2010, 5:57 pm

simonshack 4 Oct 14 2010, 04:38 PM wrote:
fakers911 4 Oct 14 2010, 10:42 AM wrote: Is it impossible? No! Is it probable? Hell no!


Thanks for highlighting the absurdities of the Cantor vicsims database.
I believe another factor to consider is the simple fact that we're talking here about a top financial firm based in possibly the most international metropolis on the planet. If this namelist represented school-records from some remote, inter-breeding Irish village with some history of Italian immigration, it would have sounded more plausible...


*******************************************************************
Introducing the charming Cantor Fitzgerald CEO Howard Lutnick :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jztfX-RYknA

And his charming sister - Edith Lutnick:



Is it impossible that the Lutnicks are Low-Life Liars? No. Is it probable? Hell yes !

And if it's against the Invisionfree rules to call out swindlers of the highest caliber - with a vast body of evidence to back it up - then so be it.
This forum is not going to bow down to any censorship devised for the protection of duly suspected con-men and financial criminals.


You're welcome ;)

Brrrr.... that Edith Lutnick talks (or preaches.... whatever) and makes gestures in almost exactly the same way as Donna Marsh O'Connor. I think they know eachother from drama class :lol:
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Postby brianv on October 14th, 2010, 7:01 pm

Curiously there are no images of Edith Lutnick to be found on the web!

Edith, who is Howards sister lost a brother called Tony?? Howard Lutnick "lose a brother"? Is this correct?

Definitley School of Donna Marsh Acting - she reminds me of someone else too.

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Another crying bastard liar!

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I'm not sure but she might also has a Wendy P Lodger look --- Image
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Postby fakers911 on October 14th, 2010, 8:59 pm

I've found 1:

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Postby brianv on October 14th, 2010, 9:15 pm

Gosh 50px sq of monitor screen real estate. One would expect a little more than that.

On closer inspection she looks a bit fuzzy around the ears..

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Postby idschmyd on October 14th, 2010, 10:27 pm

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This from SteveWaran's website. I’m no good at Snap, but she seems a hideous crow here and at the podium, whereas Plodger is almost pretty. Reminds of the battle axe in wet weather gear from a few weeks ago, the one Fred speculates is also playing a couple of other roles. Memory too foggy now to retrieve details or know where to look.

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/refere ... index.html Story Sept 10, 2002.
Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost 658 people in Sept 11 terrorist attacks?. announces that it will share 4.9 million of its fourth-quarter profits with families of employees killed in attacks; payment is first installment in Cantor's previously announced plan to give families 25 percent of its profits over next five years, or 100,000 for each family, whichever is greater?


Seems so simple. Although high finance investors can't the be easiest targets for theft. Just waxing here, I'm still not 1000% that this company deals real dollars for real people. But perhaps the money never actually went into pockets as hard currency, but was imaginary, wrapped up in the "double-digit earnings growth" for the second year running in 2004 (NYT). Perhaps after substracting imaginary philanthropy of greasy CEO profits corrected to something acceptable to investors.
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Cantor Fitzgerald 9/11 death claims against airline barred

Postby omaxsteve on June 24th, 2011, 5:54 pm

This is an "old" news article from Jan 2011 that I just came across;

http://www.businessinsurance.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110120/NEWS/110129998

Excerpt from the article:

U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein, in a pretrial ruling Wednesday in New York, disallowed the firm's demand for those damages from American and parent AMR Corp., whose plane struck the tower housing Cantor Fitzgerald's offices.

“Under New York law, claims for damages associated with the death of an individual are considered wrongful-death causes of action,” the judge said. “Cantor Fitzgerald is not entitled to bring such a cause of action.”


What a farce.. they are going to court to claim damages from the airline for victims that never existed.

regards,

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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby antipodean on September 7th, 2011, 1:52 pm

Heres an interesting CF vicsim. http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/me ... /3343.html Robert Eaton appears to be quite high profile.

Big fan of Engish Soccer with regular memorial matches played in his name
.http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9234695. ... 11_victim/

http://www.remf.org.uk/

yet he doesn't get listed in the CF families memorial site.
http://www.cantorfamilies.com/cantor/js ... .jsp?LNL=E
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby brianv on September 7th, 2011, 2:13 pm

antipodean wrote:Heres an interesting CF vicsim. http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/me ... /3343.html Robert Eaton appears to be quite high profile.

Big fan of Engish Soccer with regular memorial matches played in his name
.http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9234695. ... 11_victim/

http://www.remf.org.uk/

yet he doesn't get listed in the CF families memorial site.
http://www.cantorfamilies.com/cantor/js ... .jsp?LNL=E



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Liked to dress up in Haloween costumes! FFS! Sometimes I only wished "9/11" was true!

Wife Jacqui 422 Plandome Rd Manhasset, NY 11030

which appears to be the address of a road intersection ?

Google Street
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby antipodean on September 8th, 2011, 10:58 am

by brianv » September 8th, 2011, 1:13 am

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Liked to dress up in Haloween costumes! FFS! Sometimes I only wished "9/11" was true!

Wife Jacqui 422 Plandome Rd Manhasset, NY 11030

which appears to be the address of a road intersection ?

Google Street
Bit of a strange location for the family home.

Been doing a bit of digging. Apparently there was an article about him yesterday on a local BBC TV channel.
Unfortunately I can't watch it down here. Any forum members living in the South East of England fancy giving it a gander. It starts at the 16 minute mark.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0148n0q#synopsis
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby antipodean on September 10th, 2011, 12:13 am

Liked to dress up in Haloween costumes! FFS! Sometimes I only wished "9/11" was true!

Wife Jacqui 422 Plandome Rd Manhasset, NY 11030

which appears to be the address of a road intersection ?

Google Street
Bit of a strange location for the family home.


Looks as though the above address is that of a Real Estate office where wife Jaqui works.
http://www.realtor.com/realestateagents ... _726493853


Here's a video featuring Robert Eaton's recent memorial charity football match. His father presents the post match trophies & is then interviewed. (@ 8min 30sec.)

I can't believe I haven't already found this before
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AvNNNIXaZY
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