Conspiracy theory with Jesse Ventura - 9/11

Unread post by **Equinox** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:19 am

fred wrote:Pro Wrestling and "Reality TV" are probably a great places to recruit or look for these actors.

We've already seen the example of Rachel Uchitel as a reality TV actress, 9/11 actress, and publicity seeker.

We've seen bit-part actors from TV commercials such as Gary Welz. We've seen wannabe actors like Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas (who supposedly approached Robert De Niro with a script?).

We've seen comedians like Bill Hicks/Alex Jones.

We've seen Howard Stern "wack packers" like Paula Gloria.

We've seen unsuccessful musicians (if they're even musicians at all), like "Ace Baker" and Bruce Watson and Andrew Lowe Watson.

We've seen stage magicians like William Rodriguez, James Randi, and the Camera Planet guy.

Pro Wrestlers know they're part of a scripted made-for-TV show and that most of their fans don't realize it (and their true fans in general probably aren't all that bright.) The Wrestlers are used to staying in character even when they're "off-duty" and signing autographs for children and that sort of thing. They obviously have a desire to be seen or be famous and generally lack the household recognition of major stars.

I suspect that Manny Badillo and Jesse Ventura aren't the only "Pro Wrestler" actors in the 9/11 script and that if we look we will find more.

I'm sure we will find more... I have some more I will be talking about soon.. like the three brothers who claim they lost their fireman father..
Yes and lets not forget, the "other" trade of these truther goons.... CAREER CRIMINALS...

fbenario wrote:Nice "real-looking" picture of him.

'Loose Change' 9/11 conspiracy theory documentary producer Kevin Rowe busted on heroin charges

An ex-soldier, who believes 9/11 was a government conspiracy, has been busted for selling heroin to an undercover police officer.

Kevin Rowe, who produced the Sept. 11 conspiracy documentary, "Loose Change," was arrested in his hometown of Oneonta, New York last week, according to authorities.

The 27-year-old conspiracy theorist allegedly sold seven packets of heroin to a narcotics officer, the city's Daily Star reported.

Rowe was arrested along with a Bronx teen, 19-year-old Daniel Marte Jr., the newspaper said.

The two were charged with third-degree criminal sale of a controlled substance, while Marte faced an additional charge of third-degree criminal possession of a controlled substance, police said.

Both were arrested around 4:50 p.m. near Exit 13 of Interstate 88, authorities said. Marte was found to have $6,400 in cash and 27 packets of heroin in his possession.

Rowe was released on bail on Friday.

The documentary "Loose Change," made by filmmaker Dylan Avery, claims the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition and postulates a government conspiracy was behind the attacks.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... arges.html

nonhocapito wrote:

http://cryptome.org/0002/luke-rudkowski.htm"

not that I am surprised...

The Leaders of the Truth movement are crims!!

Unread post by **nonhocapito** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:12 am

[Admin notice: I moved the whole "daozen vs. others" discussion over to the derailing room. This is not to say that the intention of that exchange was deliberately to derail this thread, but it had obviously turned into a polemic that was futile to drag on (it covers 30+ posts). To sum up, daozen expressed his doubts about Ventura being a shill at all, other members were ticked by this. The auspice is that the next posts in this thread will reflect someone's research on this topic rather than generic statements. Please note: this is not censorship, nor it is a personal attack. Just keeping the read of this thread consistent and useful for anyone. Is all.

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Unread post by **daozen** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:55 pm

Well, I'm still puzzled why I got all the heat when this thread had comments like:

Re: Conspiracy theory with Jesse Ventura - 9/11
by Equinox » July 28th, 2011, 12:03 am

"Yes I have been thinking about that l8tly. For some reason I just don’t really think Jesse is a Shill. Well basically like anyone who isn’t up to scratch with this ground breaking research. He is a below average researcher. But no... For some reason I don’t think he is a shill."

Thanks for the clean up Nonho...

Anyway, moving on I will continue with reasons why I highly doubt jesse ventura is a shill.

From the same "shill" show tha'ts been cited before

Episode 105 (5) "Secret Societies" December 30, 2009
Ventura infiltrates the Bilderberg Group–a very secretive, annual meeting of elitists who gather in luxury hotels, under heavy security, and supposedly plan the strategies for world domination.

Episode 203 (10) "Wall Street" November 5, 2010
Ventura interviews Goldman Sachs whistleblowers and infiltrates a group of Wall Street elitists to find out what caused the financial meltdown, and to see who has the power to manipulate the stock market and the prices of oil, and precious metals.

Episode 207 (14) "The Gulf Oil Spill" December 10, 2010
Ventura looks into rumors that the Deepwater Horizon oil spill was a staged event by companies like BP and Halliburton to reap profits from the cleanup, as well as administer toxic agents into the Gulf coast waters as part of a larger depopulation program, inspired by the Hurricane Katrina disaster, to modify the world's ocean currents and weather, and to target the Louisiana coastline to gain complete control of its oil reserves.

Episode 208 (15) "Pentagon" December 17, 2010
Ventura investigates the theory that a missile, and not a hijacked airliner, hit The Pentagon during the September 11 attacks. Questioned are issues such as the lack of surveillance video released by the FBI; debris and damage inconsistent with a jetliner crash; the extreme difficulty of crashing a jetliner at high speed into a specific ground target by an amateur pilot, and links to a possible cover-up of $2.3 trillion of unaccounted taxpayer money announced by then Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, just a day before the attacks.

Why on earth would a shill go into these topics? Look at the last 2 shows? aren't they pointed in the right direction? Both would end up with the conclusions we had arrived at in this forum!

Now in this interview I post below he basically talks about media fakery "Our media today is into creating the news rather than reporting him, and that is very dangerous, when they are creating news rather than reporting it"

He's asked about 9/11 repeadetily and like he does most of the time he DOES NOT talk about any particular theory or mentions planes at all, he just says people are not allowed to ask questions. Which contradicts whoever said he doesn't encourage critical thinking and is shoving down a particular story.

He's obviously not aware of the truth that this forum is based on, but again the amount of people in the world who are (excluding the perps and their bitches) would fit in a big room, or house. Independent of his knowledge I can't see a shed of dishonesty here, sorry.

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzhdMgI3Z9I

Some other smaller reasons would be he supports Ron Paul (altough some of you might say even he is a shill) and he lives in Mexico.

Now I welcome anyone to counter these reasons, and see where the truth leads us, but only if it's based on reason and not emotion or provocation.

Unread post by **lux** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:15 pm

... but the biggest reason of all to believe Jesse is ...

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WlwCltYONc

Unread post by **nonhocapito** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:27 pm

daozen wrote:Well, I'm still puzzled why I got all the heat when this thread had comments like:

Re: Conspiracy theory with Jesse Ventura - 9/11
by Equinox » July 28th, 2011, 12:03 am

"Yes I have been thinking about that l8tly. For some reason I just don’t really think Jesse is a Shill. Well basically like anyone who isn’t up to scratch with this ground breaking research. He is a below average researcher. But no... For some reason I don’t think he is a shill."

Thanks for the clean up Nonho...

Daozen. An opinion by a member expressed in one post does not equal a polemic that drags on for two pages. So quit being a smart aleck.
As to welcoming counter arguments "only if based on reason and not emotion or provocation", you can spare us the preaching. Up until now most of your posts have demonstrated a considerable misunderstanding of the purposes and research on this forum, so you are hardly in the position to tell us how to conduct a discussion over here.

As to the examples that should demonstrate how Ventura is not a shill I will only remark that, if he weren't, episode 1 of his series would have been titled: "How Hollywood taught me the faked reality of world events. Part 1 of 20".

Unread post by **diagonal2** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:56 pm

I know this thread is old and that I'm new to the forums (Hello everyone!

) I'd just like to share something that I've recently discovered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-sLbMqp ... r_embedded

Skip to 26:xx

Who do you see?

Mr. Luke Rudowski

Coincidence? Hehehehe.

Unread post by **Maat** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:04 pm

diagonal2,

Firstly, you are required to introduce yourself here and familiarize yourself with the purpose of this forum and all relevant topics of interest to you before posting anything.

Please refrain from dropping links or videos of garbage from disinfo clowns without a clearly defined justification and explanation. I suggest you get up to speed on who, what and how they operate by starting here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2360077

And use the search function. Thank you!

Unread post by **lux** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:26 pm

diagonal2 wrote:I know this thread is old and that I'm new to the forums (Hello everyone! ) I'd just like to share something that I've recently discovered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-sLbMqp ... r_embedded

Skip to 26:xx

Who do you see?

Mr. Luke Rudowski

Coincidence? Hehehehe.

I'm not part of the forum staff here but I, for one, would appreciate it if you didn't post any wellaware1 disinfo here.

Just for illustration purposes, here is an example of the silliness on his site -- he claims these 2 women are the same person because they both have a freckle in the same place!

His site is filled with such ludicrous crap as are his YT videos such as the one you posted.

And, I do not mean this as a defense of anyone he "exposes" in his work -- the guy is just so obviously a shill and/or an idiot and his claims of famous multiple people being the same person (with no factual substantiation) that his stuff does not belong here IMO. (I apologize for even posting a link to his ridiculous site.)

FYI - if you are here to spread disinfo I think you'll find you will get nowhere fast.

Unread post by **Maat** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:01 pm

▲ Exactly, Lux! Which is why I directed him to our exposé of 'goldbug' thread as a starter

Unread post by **diagonal2** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:36 pm

Maat wrote:diagonal2,

Firstly, you are required to introduce yourself here and familiarize yourself with the purpose of this forum and all relevant topics of interest to you before posting anything.

Please refrain from dropping links or videos of garbage from disinfo clowns without a clearly defined justification and explanation. I suggest you get up to speed on who, what and how they operate by starting here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2360077

And use the search function. Thank you!

I didn't believe everything he said or showed, but man much of it began to become believable, guess I have been taken on a roller coaster ride. Also, I checked the thread you linked and there where a series of broken links (videos where removed)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT83C9kBLV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHyCAPJVI08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iukzZl_o-ns

Unread post by **Maat** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:51 pm

diagonal2 wrote:
Maat wrote:diagonal2,

Firstly, you are required to introduce yourself here and familiarize yourself with the purpose of this forum and all relevant topics of interest to you before posting anything.

Please refrain from dropping links or videos of garbage from disinfo clowns without a clearly defined justification and explanation. I suggest you get up to speed on who, what and how they operate by starting here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2360077

And use the search function. Thank you!
I didn't believe everything he said or showed, but man much of it began to become believable, guess I have been taken on a roller coaster ride. Also, I checked the thread you linked and there where a series of broken links (videos where removed)

What part of the directives I gave you did you not understand? Do NOT post anything else until you have introduced yourself properly on the REQUIRED topic explaining your reasons for being here.

There are NO "broken links" on the thread page I gave you. e.g. the video link to demonstrate goldbug's lies is not "removed":- http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2360114
And there is NOTHING "believable" in any of his garbage unless you are a total moron or a troll.

Unread post by **diagonal2** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:29 am

Maat wrote:
diagonal2 wrote:
Maat wrote:diagonal2,

Firstly, you are required to introduce yourself here and familiarize yourself with the purpose of this forum and all relevant topics of interest to you before posting anything.

Please refrain from dropping links or videos of garbage from disinfo clowns without a clearly defined justification and explanation. I suggest you get up to speed on who, what and how they operate by starting here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2360077

And use the search function. Thank you!
I didn't believe everything he said or showed, but man much of it began to become believable, guess I have been taken on a roller coaster ride. Also, I checked the thread you linked and there where a series of broken links (videos where removed)
What part of the directives I gave you did you not understand? Do NOT post anything else until you have introduced yourself properly on the REQUIRED topic explaining your reasons for being here.

There are NO "broken links" on the thread I gave you. e.g. the video link to demonstrate goldbug's lies is not "removed":- http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2360114
And there is NOTHING "believable" in any of his garbage unless you are a total moron or a troll.

I'm sorry, perhaps I was not clear enough. I was referring to a post made by a member here with the username reel.deal: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2360408

Unread post by **Maat** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:59 am

diagonal2 wrote:
Maat wrote: What part of the directives I gave you did you not understand? Do NOT post anything else until you have introduced yourself properly on the REQUIRED topic explaining your reasons for being here.

There are NO "broken links" on the thread page I gave you. e.g. the video link to demonstrate goldbug's lies is not "removed":- http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2360114
And there is NOTHING "believable" in any of his garbage unless you are a total moron or a troll.
I'm sorry, perhaps I was not clear enough. I was referring to a post made by a member here with the username reel.deal: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2360408

So what? What difference does it make whether videos are still extant on a post taking the piss out of an obvious and fully exposed disinfo shill? I suggest you study the relevant information I already gave you more thoroughly.