DAVID ICKE - a Tavistock clown?

[simonshack]

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Woah - this is sooo funny: I was just 'banned' from the "DAVID ICKE" website - after my first ever, one-and-only post there, which I submitted yesterday1

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthre ... 446&page=6


Here's what I get now - as I try (in vain) to make a second post there :



A pretty good analysis of the DAVID ICKE clown:
https://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/20 ... avid-icke/

[Flabbergasted]

A pretty good analysis of the DAVID ICKE clown:
https://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/20 ... avid-icke/

Icke may be a deluded fool, or a nutjob, or a Tavistock asset, or any combination of these, but the writer of that analysis certainly took the opportunity to whitewash Organized Jewry. Quite a sly piece of diversion.

...crude anti-Semitic conspiracy theories from yesteryear...

Nothing to see here, folks.

[Critical Mass]

That 'deepconfusion' character is just bizarre... pretending, for a few seconds, that it's a real human being which really believes in what it says.

Does it actually understand the logistics of what it's proposing?

That everyone here on Cluesforum are just 'sock accounts' & 'various persona's of Simon'.

There are tens of thousands of posts here... and far more than that in hours worth of work!

There are more posts here than there are badly written comedic 'tributes' for the 9/11 vicsims at legacy.com, Voices of September 11th, Cantor Fitzgerald etc... which means the perps have devoted more time & energy on this supposed 'Cluesforum psyop' than maintaining the bizarro world of the 9/11 TV show!

In what world would that even make one lick of sense?

Statements like this from it are just completely insane...

Simple. It could just as easily have been a CGI dust explosion that has been made into something else on purpose. These people do not make mistakes 9/11 was planned decades in advance and if you think you have caught them in a mistake you aren't even on the game board the conspiracy theories are worked into the planning from the get-go. So I'm not deluding myself questioning the nose in nose out narrative I am looking at it from a higher strategic perspective in terms of what that narrative is being used for.

These people DO make mistakes... shit loads of 'em... because they are people. People make mistakes all the frigging time, no matter the endeavour.

We're not dealing with hyper-advanced, omnipotent shape-shifting super-reptiles from Draco. We're dealing with the screw-ups who decided to have Tony Arrigo as their first 'live eyewitness'.

Cluesforum has copious evidence of these mistakes... 'glitches in the matrix' aplenty.

Is there any actual evidence for shape-shifting (and apparently perfect) space-lizards?

Besides Icke worked/works for the BBC... enough said.

[Flabbergasted]

Is there any actual evidence for shape-shifting (and apparently perfect) space-lizards?

On pains of saying the obvious, all this lore about shape-shifting reptiles is an outgrowth of Zecariah Sitchin´s Earth Chronicles which are said to be based on references to such beings in Sumerian clay tablets.

There is now a vast subliterature on the subject, giving outsiders the false impression that the doctrine of lizardhood is grounded on a wealth of independent sources. An example is Lloyd Pye´s "Everything you know is wrong" which (despite the attractive title) leaves readers worse off than before. If my memory serves me right, lizardlike extraterrestrials are said to have engineered Homo neanderthalensis 450 thousand years ago to mine gold and silver for their masters, but some of the hominid females turned out to be pleasing to the eye and were abused by horny lizards, the result of which was the emergence of a hybrid lineage capable of shape-shifting.

These people DO make mistakes... shit loads of 'em... because they are people. People make mistakes all the frigging time, no matter the endeavour.

Indeed. Being crafty, rather than craftsmen, I´d say that "these people" are necessarily superficial and mediocre.

[hoi.polloi]

I think you were banned for saying David Icke isn't doing something you want him to do. Mods are very sensitive about a few things there, and that's one of them. I feel our forum is run differently because members here can actually interact with the mods regularly (and also none of us is a fucking huge celebrity as far as we know, so I guess that's not saying much) even if we are cranky about some of the ways people do it.

Ignoring the far more likely possibility that people find taking someone as deeply confused as 'deepconfusion' up on their so-called challenge to debate them akin to banging their head against a brick wall, I rather enjoy the concept that a hidden group of agents is posing as every single person on this board as well as all the members of Fakeologist.com and as a sprinkling of YouTubers to boot. It sounds like a very cost-wasteful use of a cynical government organization's time, since the purported goal is to sucker people into wastes of time. Instead, their theory is: No, nobody got suckered into, uh, doing research for themselves. Everyone is paid to pretend that's what's happening! In order to attract more agents that will continue to do the same! The overhead of this proposed organization would be astounding. The goal is to simply spend shadow government money on gutting other shadow organizations for the purpose of having a laugh at the mistakes of the propaganda.

Actually, that doesn't sound like a bad use of shadow government money. Can we get the ball rolling on that? Who knows someone in shadow government? I think we should get a pitch together.

Hey boys, how about this: stop making propaganda. And start exposing it. With us. Wait, wait, stay with me ...

But I don't think that kind of omnipotent puppet show is even the purpose of Shill Jayhan's forum Let's Troll (where such a ridiculous fake "theory" about us was undoubtedly hatched for the purposes of discrediting good research merely by attacking the unnecessary credibility of those who present it), or Perp-it-out, or David Icky, Wickedpedia, Gurgle, or Farcebook or any other sites with any sort of digital network of people logging in. (That's just the goal, perhaps, of the DARPA Internet as a whole.)

To me, those sites exist to draw in legitimate well-meaning people, feed them conspiracy theories and argue them in circles about unprovable pet ideas. The only sites I've found that insist people do their own research and demand that members focus on and present easily verifiable information to help folks defend themselves against propaganda is this site or Fakeologist.com.

At worst, we could be accused of not caring enough about PR to go all over the dark caves of the Internets trying to put an end to fantasy stories whipped up by paid performance-art chuckleheads' briefest interactions with us (which many were undoubtedly paid to do in the first place in order to collect 'street cred', knowing that for most dumb cowards a sort of groundless vilification is superior in their mind to risking any actual personal interaction with us), or maybe of having the least developed conspiracy theory of all time:

"I don't know, and neither do you. Let's talk about what we think we do know, and what's more, let's challenge each other on these supposed things to make sure we can actually state we know them."

Nothing like that exists anywhere else, because nobody moderates anything as humble elsewhere; most sites insist on some form of basic elite special knowledge that people are just supposed to swallow and be super proud of knowing. People who claim we are shills depend on addicting their audience to promises rather than facts. By not citing their supposed research or making it verifiable and luring people along solely with the promise of further developments into their ideas (which never happen), stories about Simon and me being the same person, or me creating Simon or Simon creating me or someone else creating both of us or anything at all can be fluffed up with a few promises of future evidence and changing the subject. (Any subject at all except the valid points of research we have presented to the world, regardless of any personal attacks on us.)

With David Icke, it has to do with his story that he strongly believes he needs to collect and distribute alternative theories in order to educate the world about an illusion he calls 'the dream world'. If that's really his New Age goal, then he has accomplished his goal just shy of anti-propaganda sites like CluesForum, and one can wonder why that is. Perhaps he believes, as deepconfusion does, that we are working for the evil group that created the evil universe.

If it's not really his goal, he will continue to almost accomplish it (just shy of practical, down-to-[evil]-Earth researchers like Simon Shack, Dave McGowan (maybe?), etc.) for mysterious reasons. Probably because Earth is an evil illusion, so if you enjoy life you have been deluded by evil.

So I don't entirely mind David Icke. He's just one of the most extreme forms of neo-Buddhist you might find. You don't have to believe him to see him as someone that effectively gathers "weird" data and throws it to a (rather ineffective) circus of a discussion forum for the purposes of making people annoyed with the world we live in. That is just what it is and he does it. It allows interesting information to be completely buried by the mentally ill and spewers of "deep confusion" (because they actually favor anything that supports the underlying theme that "life is a shitty illusion" rather than "the media deliberately creates the shitty illusion and here's how ...") but it's like finding small gold nuggets in a towering mountain of shite; slightly rewarding should you take a deep steam cleanse after visiting.

[brianv]

I had the lizard people from Utah knocking on my door this evening - weird looking fucks in white shirts, slacks and oxfam shoes. Slam!
"dICK hEad" gets the same treatment here I'm afraid. Utter fool, he's one of the many we should not even ignore. He does not deserve our consideration. I'd change the title simply to - DAVID ICKE - a clown!!

[MrSinclair]

David Icke is nothing more than empty calories like cotton candy. By contrast, the CluesForum is like a hearty homemade stew, highly nutritious. Reading and listening to David Icke was a big waste of time and mostly left me feeling confused, paranoid and vaguely hostile. One day I let go of all of that and felt better for it. When I discovered the CluesForum by way of the Oslo fakery it felt like time well spent and it still does. Good research goes on here and standards are kept high. The same can not be said about Ickeworld.

He is however, a skilled and entertaining speaker. I did see his 9/11 presentation around 2003. It was fascinating and compelling for the entire six hours. Too bad it was all shite...

[hoi.polloi]

Well, to be fair, he does use language like "Reality: The Movie" when sarcastically referring to television news. And that's a useful term. His points about 9/11 being bullocks largely holds up because, if you boil 9/11 down to its simplest form, saying something like, "It's all BS" is pretty darn close to the truth.

The problem is he has this very British thing going on: politeness and properness is more important than truth — and even more important than a truth we can all verify (according to his behavior) is personal religious truth that nobody can verify.

That's kind of the opposite of the policy we have here, where we need truths we can all verify regardless of personal religious belief or concepts of politeness.

David Icke himself doesn't tell people about the technical facts about fake news: the actors, the world of politics and lying that he was a part of, the advertising and public relations campaigns and the multiple identities and reinvented identities that come with that territory, the scheming performance qualities of large personalities (like himself), the marketing, basic non-magical subliminal attacks, hypnosis, CGI, algorithms, artificial intelligence, digital compositing, augmented reality, virtual reality, chroma-keying, military simulations, writings on simulations, war theory, cryptography software, compression, digital masking, EXIF data, script writing, sound editing, and so on. These are modern techniques and ideas that even the slowest people in our society could understand if he gave over to the patient process of explaining them better than, "It's all a grand puppet show!" or "It's all a huge illusion!"

Why not just discuss dishonesty, acting and lying? Too close to home for him?

However, there are also more fishy things about him, in my opinion. He appears to be putting on a dramatic act at times, it's unclear to me whether he has more make up than normal for a big show-biz person (is his "arthritis" legit?) and he hasn't put two puzzle pieces together and realized his "reporter" Luke Rudowski's doppelganger plays a vicsim in the 9/11 drama. Do you think this is a coincidence? He just doesn't vet his reporters? Or is his role to save the reputations of deep covert agents that failed, and herald them as misunderstood heroes — revive them as neo-celebrities?

At best, he wakes some people up, who move on, and he makes other people feel dependent on thought leaders and their hunches instead of encouraging people and saying, as we try to do, "You can do it. You can research anything for yourself and share it with your community using practical knowledge that you inherently have!"

At worst, David Icke really is just another paid perp like Alex Jones, George Noory or a 9/11 "Truther" type capitalizing on fear and mistrust and the public's religious yearnings for a savior, while perhaps spouting the latest placating wisdom given to him by an unquestioned, liberal corner of one of Her Majesty's research groups. Hard to say, though, and I prefer not to think the worst if I think of it at all.

[Serik]

Just because someone is a shill doesn't mean you should not listen to them. An honest researcher can put out more wrong information than a shill. Be critical of everything you read and hear whether the information is from non-shills or shills. I do think Icke tell some good information but also a lot of bad information and fearporn. I'm sensitive to different forms of energies and when he talks about energy, frequency and vibration I do believe in it because I have personally experienced these kind of things. If people doesn't believe in those things I understand that because I didn't believe in it before either.
We all have been wrong about many things in our lifes and the more I research and experience things the more I realise how little I know and just because something sounds crazy from ones perspectice of seeing things doesn't mean it can't be true.

[simonshack]

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Good grief... I now regret making this thread - which is almost turning into an advert for David Icky!

Or maybe I should just have titled this thread: "DAVID ICKE - THE BRITISH ALEX JONES?"

As it is (and as I've had to observe and endure for many years) it took a long, long time for the smarter American folks to realize that Alex Jones was just a clown playing with their truthseeking minds.

Are the smarter British / European truthseeking folks even SLOWER than their American equivalents?

I'd hate to think so !


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Btw, even here in Italy where I live, David Icky has an incredible following - and I painfully cringe each (thankfully rare) time I casually meet folks on social occasions (and I mention my SC / Cluesforum and all) who will say: "Oooh, so you're some sort of David Icke kind of guy?"

[DrTim]

As an unwitting "student of clowns", I've given up on trying to figure out who is or is not a clown. I consider everyone to potentially be one, unless proven otherwise. So, outside of family and close friends, I can't be sure of anyone, and I think that's the healthiest attitude. Just when you think you know... you get fooled.

I would add, though, that there are some signs that make it more likely I'll consider someone a clown, particularly if engaged in the "truth seeking, alternative movement on the net". Three things stand out:

1. Oddly repetitive, overly long writing (wasting time, a major technique of the clowns)
2. Blaming "the Jews", Israel, Zionists, for major negative events such as 9/11 (probably the oldest method of slandering the movement from within)
3. Talking about conspiracies and false flags, but not so much hoaxes (the official story and the conspiracy theory is what the clowns want you to know)

Ironically, David Icke doesn't really qualify on any of the three. So is he a clown, ie. a member of the Nutwork, a secret services operative of some sort? I don't think so. He clearly has become so mild as to be pointless watching and reading, and was never all that astute anyway. I think Icke is more of a fool than a clown. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. We can never really be sure of anyone, all we can do is evaluate the information people put out.

That said, sorry to see Simon got banned. No great loss, though, I don't think. Cluesforum is better! :-)

While we're on the subject of clowns in the Alt. Media, how about some others, like Chris Spivey or Danielle la Verite? I'm quite sure both are clowns/agents. Spivey seems to be tasked with frightening hoax-exposers with his BS court case, while la Verite is a self-admitted Rothschild that spouts conspiracy theories, no hoax exposure. Just my opinion though, I'd love to be corrected.