Unmasking Fake 911 Truth Organizations

How the controlled opposition was designed to be part of the 9/11 hoax
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Unmasking Fake 911 Truth Organizations

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What if your local 911Truth organization were run by veteran covert operatives?

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N4MDH (352) 378-2507


Let's take a look at fake "911 Truth" organization's http://gators911truth.org overt activities.

The motto of Gators911Truth is "The Press for Truth is Prayer for Peace", an obvious plug for the notorious live-action vicsim fake widow/actresses theater troop "the Jersey Girls".

The founder of Gators911Truth is one Harold Saive, a candidate for political office and thus a public person. He publishes his own name, address, and phone number in an open letter he wrote to FBI Director Mullen that promotes fake 911 video as "evidence for a controlled demolition" of the WTC complex.

"On Nov. 7th, 2008 the FBI received a registered letter from Harold. Saive, founder of Gators911Truth.org addressed to Director, Robert S. Mueller III."
http://gators911truth.org/PDF/FBI-Gage-c.pdf

Like pilots4truth and the notorious perp-run front organization 911truth.org, Harold Saives' pushes the deliberately concocted myth of "9-11 families" as the top link on his Gators911Truth website, along with every other known deliberate distraction. From Steven Jones's Thermite to mind control to HAARP-- every "alternative theory" is acceptable except the reality that the September 11 World Trade Center videos and victims were simulations.

http://gators911truth.org/VIDEO.html

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THESE TRUTHERS DESERVE ANSWERS
Families of loved-ones lost on 9/11/2001 are the original "TRUTHERS"
While every murder deserves a valid investigation these victims
have been denied the justice of our legal system to determine the
motive and guilt of the perpetrators.


He signs his missives Harold Saive ? Military Veteran and US Patriot and contributes money to mainstream politicians:

Harold Saive
Donation of 429 to Presidential elections 2008
Democrat
Harold Saive
Retired
Self employed
Updated
Q2/2008
Barack Obama
429
1716 NW 10TH TER
Gainesville, Fl 32609. (352) 378-2507


And he regularly is able to publish his views in mainstream media outlets like The Nation:

http://nationdiscussion.ning.com/profile/HaroldSaive

"Global Warming is part of a Military Weather Warfare Operation Employing Tessla and Chemtrail Scalar Weapons technology of HAARP. The published objective of the U.S. Air force is to own the weather by 2025. This documentary reveals the USAF already?"

Harold Saive's published writings on Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth promote fellow fake truther and Special Forces operative Jesse Ventura: Harold Saive: 'Jesse did a good job. I understand his reluctance to get more " radical". If he gets renewed make sure Richard Gage is interviewed.'
http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=46586782932



The same address is also listed in the PUBLIC RECORDS for:
AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF UNIVERSITY WOMEN
(c/o NINA POSTLETHWAITE) 1716 NW 10TH TER
32609 Social Welfare Organization * * * 06/1952

Wife Nina Postlethwaite claims to be a retired mental health professional who leaves guestbook comments on supposedly deceased victims of government mind control.
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http://www.wendyduda.com/wendy.php

ALLEGED MINDCONTROL VICTIM'S GUEST BOOK WITH TRIBUTE FROM NINA POSTLETHWAITE
http://wendyduda.com/wendyguestbook.htm
--
Jun 16, 2003 at 10:11:31 Tom Holloway ([email protected])
http://www.wendyduda.com/
testing the guest book URL's require http:// as shown above.



Oct 13, 2003 at 20:21:41 Susan V. Dixon ([email protected])
Thinking about Wendy today on her birthday and missing her!!!!!

Nov 6, 2003 at 09:04:04 nina postlethwaite/saive (scruplebin@hotmail)
http://wendyduda.com/cgi-sys/www.saive.com
Ah,the essential Wendy...fine idea.


Jan 19, 2006 at 18:32:34 fabian tavio
i miss ya wendy, i know ur in heaven smilin' down us. i love you, fabian
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Nina Postlethwaite is a published author in the field of Mental Health, who worked with mental patients at a major Miami Dade hospital on various undisclosed projects, possibly in conjunction with the Agency's known activities at the former JM-WAVE base. Husband Harold Saive of Gainsville is a "medical technologist" who specialized in implanting devices into live patients. Perhaps the interest in government mind control reflected on husband and wife's websites relates to a career of working on government mind control projects?

Harold Saive participates in numerous known front organizations including Vetrans for Peace, AE911Truth, 911blogger, and his site links to the most obvious government-run 911 perp sites like 911truth.org

Like many military covert operators, Harold Saive shows an interest in ham radio, presumably as a result of his having received communications training from the military and intelligence organizations.

So, N4MDH working for WQ2RX? We have a military-trained "patriot" founding fake 9-11 truth organizations, infiltrating "peace" organizations, publishing his views without restriction in the mainstream press, and promoting fake video in his open letters to the FBI Director without fear of reprisal.

COVERT ACTIVITIES

In addition the proven overt actions of Harold Saive listed above, all of which can be verified as factual as a matter of public record, I believe that N4MDH has engaged in illegal covert activities designed to sabotage ongoing research into the September 11 terrorist attacks. These are my beliefs and opinions:

I believe that Harold Saive and his associates attempted to illegally obtain passwords to a researchers private email account through subterfuge and "computer hacking".

I believe that Harold Saive and his associates digitally altered photographic and video evidence that showed that notorious 9-11 "Harley Shirt Guy" plant Mark Humphrey acted in falsified 9-11 eyewitness testimony presented by FOX News.

I believe that Harold Saive and his associates conducted a deliberate disinformation campaign to try to provide cover for his criminal associates, and deliberately made public, false, and defamatory statements designed to conceal the illegal terrorist activities of his colleagues.

I encourage additional people with evidence about any covert or illegal activities undertaken by the political candidate N4MDH Harold Saive of Gainsville Florida, his alleged wife and "mental health" operative and author "Nina Postlethwaite", or the activities of their various possible front organizations to come forward and publish their information in the public interest.


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Evidence establishing that Harold Saive is active in politics, having been a candidate for political office, and is therefore a PUBLIC PERSON:

"District 2 candidate Harold Saive trailed close behind Bryant in fund raising, with a total of 9158 in contributions. Saive brought in 1295 in monetary and ..."
news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320&dat=20020330&id=UycSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=KOwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4735,6687806

Evidence that wife Nina Postlethwaite is active in public organizations and is a published author and is therefore a PUBLIC PERSON:

Psychiatric Services -- Table of Contents (34 [4])

"Philip C. Boswell, Benjamin Brauzer, Nina Postlethwaite, and Alma Laruffa. Improving Aftercare Patients' Compliance With Appointments Through Phone Calls ..."
ps.psychiatryonline.org/content/vol34/issue4/index.dtl

Donations -- Huffington Post

"1716 NW 10th Ter, 32609 - 0.668 miles. Person. Candidate. Nina Postlethwaite. Donation of 250 to Presidential elections. Democrat ? Nina Postlethwaite ..."
fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=loc&addr=2603+NW+13TH+ST&zip=32609

User Profile

"ae911truth.org - Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth."
http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=992724

Public statements of Harold Saive including his widespread and notorious publication on the internet of his telephone number and address and his open letter to the FBI as a PUBLIC PERSON

Hsaive's blog | 911Blogger.com

"7th the FBI received a registered letter from Harold Saive - founder of Gators911Truth.org. Saive referenced evidence presented in Richard Gage's 2008 video ..."
http://www.911blogger.com/blog/5021

4. FBI responds to petition to consider forensic evidence from ...

"In November, 2008, Gators911Truth sent a letter to FBI Director, Robert S. Mueller, .... M. Harold Saive's letter is an example for us all to follow! ..."
http://www.911blogger.com/node/18930

5. Richard Gage, AIA Publicly Thanks FBI for Endorsement of ...

"21 Jan 2009 ... 7th the FBI received a registered letter from Harold Saive - founder of Gators911Truth.org. Saive referenced evidence presented in Richard ..."
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 1175108624

6. FBI Responds to petition to consider forensic evidence from ...

"29 Dec 2008 ... by Harold Saive 911Blogger.com. In November, 2008, Gators911Truth sent a letter to FBI Director, Robert S. Mueller, III asking the DOJ to ..."
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 9143645958

7. FBI acknowledges evidence for Controlled Demolition presented by ...

"22 Dec 2008 ... 7th, 2008 the FBI received a registered letter from. Harold Saive, founder of Gators911Truth.org addressed to ..."
gators911truth.org/PDF/FBI-CD-FF.pdf

8. May 6, 2009: Submitted by Harold Saive, Veterans For Peace, Member ...

"May 6, 2009: Submitted by Harold Saive, Veterans For Peace, ... by the catastrophic events of 9/11/2001 where no evidence exists for the FBI to indict Osama ..."
gators911truth.org/PDF/VFP-Resolution-2009.PDF
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if your local 911Truth organization were run by veteran covert operatives?

well, that would make me the dumbest veteran covert operative for linking (still) to this forums right at the top of my site's top page wouldn't it?
time wil tell...



9/11 truth Switzerland : WTC IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE in two paragraphs
http://www.911truth.ch/modules/news/art ... oryid=2604
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911truth.ch @ Dec 23 2009, 08:28 PM wrote:
if your local 911Truth organization were run by veteran covert operatives?

well, that would make me the dumbest veteran covert operative for linking to this forums right at the top of my site's top page wouldn't it?
time wil tell...



9/11 truth Switzerland : WTC IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE in two paragraphs
http://www.911truth.ch/modules/news/art ... oryid=2604
I remember that you claimed to have "insider" access to the space aliens through your military intelligence background, yes?

The sites you prominently link to are indeed a collection of the most obvious 9-11 perp fronts on the internet.

911truth.org, truthaction.... Verily, these are the fake grassroots organizations and officially sponsored truth sites.

And here's another contact number for Saive.

http://911truth.org/page.php?page=grass ... ernational

Gainesville :: Gainesville :: Harold Saive :: 352.514.7118 :: mail (at) Saive (dot) com :: gators911truth.org


A useful list, thank you.
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remember that you claimed to have "insider" access to the space aliens through your military intelligence background, yes?

thats a bit of slander,

what I "calimed", and still do is had being an insider within the power stucture of the jesuit order, Opus Dei, Legions of Christ etc, and "space aliens" is a given within secret societies higher levels and ancient history teachings and it is a given within secret services,

which is why I am allways suspicious of pwople who know a lot and disregard the ufo issue as nonsense, it simply doesn't go together...

so keep the slander out, you should be able to win an argument decently, afer all Im the "UFO nut",

so I'm out of this thread since I know where its going
cheers
ps, I will verify ur datas and take action accordingly either way
but Id love to debate the issue with you, face to face audio some day "if you are up to it", [email protected]

my perspective on UFOs:

http://www.911truth.ch/modules/news/art ... toryid=147
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The urge to rush to the defense of a wounded comrade is trumped by the desire for self-preservation.

Why would you post on this thread anyway? What's your relationship with Saive? Is he also an Opus Dei power structure insider?

I'm not sure why my post here about covert operators heading up 911truth organizations struck a nerve with you. I have no special knowledge of or special interest in "the UFO issue".
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fred 4 Dec 23 2009, 09:40 PM wrote: The urge to rush to the defense of a wounded comrade is trumped by the desire for self-preservation.

Why would you post on this thread anyway? Is he also an Opus Dei power structure insider?

. I have no special knowledge of or special interest in "the UFO issue".

Is he also an Opus Dei power structure insider?

I ignore that, and your "also" implies present tense of my status, my "claim" of having HAD been within the JESUIT power structure was originally refering to a threrad about the order of malta at forums.911movement.org,

"I have no special knowledge of or special interest in "the UFO issue"

that is obvious

What's your relationship with Saive?

none

"I'm not sure why my post here about covert operators heading up 911truth organizations struck a nerve with you"

it didn't strike any nerve in me

Why would you post on this thread anyway?
my reply was to the TITLE "What if your local 911Truth organization were run by veteran covert operatives?" of your thread, its not hard to see the implied generalizationi and its pertinent answer.

The urge to rush to the defense of a wounded comrade is trumped by the desire for self-preservation. "

by deduction what you want to say is that I urged to to defend my wounded comrade trumped by the desire for my self-preservation, right?

if that is the case, you should keep unfounded accusations to yourself like men do unless you can beck them up with facts and not with silly asumptions

I knew where this thread was going...

I'll break links to here then, so that people don't think that this site is run by veteran covert operatives because "I linked to it"
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Until you jumped on board to make it all about YOUR issues, the thread was about a particular fake 911truth organization in Gainsville Florida USA called Gators911Truth run by one certain "military veteran", "biomedical implant specialist" and aspiring politician "Harold Saive".

But you're right, he's not the only infiltrator. One can't even start a new thread around here about a covert operators in Florida without someone on the other side of the world scrambling to his defense, posting links about UFO's and Jesuit Secret Societies and trying to derail the thread before it gets started.

What can we learn from this?
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"on the other side of the world scrambling to his defense"

I replied to the TITLE, Im I repeating myself or you are not reading?

and again if you cannot back up your accusations with facts, please do take it like a man

adios
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Pffft.
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911truth.ch 4 Dec 23 2009, 10:17 PM wrote: "I'm not sure why my post here about covert operators heading up 911truth organizations struck a nerve with you"

it didn't strike any nerve in me

"Why would you post on this thread anyway?"

my reply was to the TITLE "What if your local 911Truth organization were run by veteran covert operatives?" of your thread, its not hard to see the implied generalizationi and its pertinent answer.
What is that "implied generalization"? What is the "pertinent answer"?

What exactly are you defending? The fact that you also shill for fake truther sites?

What do you think infiltration looks like? Gators911truth took the original comparison images of Mark Humphrey and the Harley Shirt Guy, threw in pics of Jimmy Fallon and some other douchebag, created a PDF, and then they acted like they were supporting the discovery.

Immediately [he knew before anybody else] the cohort shill Darren McNulty aka weezula aka falcon6073 (who just happened to be acting as Humphrey's apologist) began to mock "my bad research".

When questioned the gators911truth operatives remained silent. Soon after they posted they had "lost" the PDF.

And now you are indignant because you shill for such fake truth sites.

It's not very f#cking mysterious.
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What is that "implied generalization"? What is the "pertinent answer"?

if you cannot see it no words will convince, 911truth.org has 100s of grassroots listed

What exactly are you defending?
well, at this point, from slander

"The fact that you also shill for fake truther sites?
And now you are indignant because you shill for such fake truth sites."

so this goes to you too sr, unless you can backup you accusation in that rethorical question you should also take it like a man

Fred asks what can we learn from this:
perhaps that untill we give the UFO issue, the Jesuit Order secret societies a fair hearing instead of dismissing it all together becaus it would then follow to be disinfo we'll loose a lot of intelligent people in the movement?(to the compliment of most of you admitedly including Fred)

so, please don't mix the defending parts taking them out of context, all replies are important to understand.

Im out of these forums, another loos for all of us.
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fred 4 Dec 23 2009, 09:41 PM wrote: One can't even start a new thread around here about a covert operators in Florida without someone on the other side of the world scrambling to his defense, posting links about UFO's and Jesuit Secret Societies and trying to derail the thread before it gets started.

What can we learn from this?
A lot, I guess. Thanks Fred.


1: "Discredit by association" is what I call the "UFO's ARE REAL" crowd seeping into the 9/11 investigation.

2: Anyone linking to ANY "911truther sites" still implying the fake 9/11 imagery is real is to be considered, now in (almost) 2010, a jerk - or a spooky disinformer.
http://www.septemberclues.org
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simonshack 4 Dec 23 2009, 10:19 PM wrote:
fred 4 Dec 23 2009, 09:41 PM wrote: One can't even start a new thread around here about a covert operators in Florida without someone on the other side of the world scrambling to his defense, posting links about UFO's and Jesuit Secret Societies and trying to derail the thread before it gets started.

What can we learn from this?
A lot, I guess. Thanks Fred.


1: "Discredit by association" is what I call the "UFO's ARE REAL" crowd seeping into the 9/11 investigation.

2: Anyone linking to ANY "911truther sites" still implying the fake 9/11 imagery is real is to be considered, now in (almost) 2010, a jerk - or a spooky disinformer.
Agreed.

If you like wasting time go to 911truth.ch's website and try to find any mention of
TV Fakery/Vicsims... you won't be able to because there's nothing there other than
the Alex Jones type of disinfo sh#t.

The site offers "Irrefutable Evidence in 2 paragraphs" as this:

with the towers falling at nearly free fall speed, as if it was an apple falling from a tree over Newton's head, the apple or the building need to encounter nothing but open air as mass and friction to slow down the constant acceleration (gm constant) of Newton's gravitation law.

But the resistance and friction normally presented by WTC buildings even if it was structurally built as a delicate house of poker cards would encounter so much friction, trapped air, massive metallic structures and concrete to make a near free fall speed IMPOSSIBLE unless you add an EXTRA FORCE to PULL DOWN SUCH RESISTANCE.


Wow, really earth-shattering words there...did you solve 9/11 by looking at fake
videos, you retard? I'm gonna support the real people here by telling you
to go f#ck yourself, you little bitch.

Your posts are worthless lies - don't post here anymore, you hemorrhoid.
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Holy crap. Fred's words are like fly-paper for perps. It smells so sweet they can't resist undoing themselves.

Excellent job! That was incredible to watch!
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wow, I was reviewing some old threads and just came back to see the replies,

to clarify all your implied accusations and false contentions:

1: 911truth.ch was an open source forum for 2 years, many members posted articles videos and links and it was maintained so until we were completely infiltrated by both targeted dis-info and spam from china

2: free fall evidence is not only taken from video, there are many ways to gather a time reference

3: my reply was just to the "what if" hypothetical title, it was not a big deal and I didn't have to take a plane" from the other side of the world :rolleyes: " to post

4: If you think I am with alex jones just google up the keywords "Alex Jones provocateur" or "bill cooper murdered" and see who shows up

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because most of the repliers seem so sure about all of this I will show you otherwise

If none of you have power to ban, edit or gang up you will have no advantage
and only dialogue and scrutiny will expose, whether intentional or not
your moral failings and intellectual lack of integrity to such an extent that not even
changing your blog nick names "as some of you do" or even destroying the
whole forum "as I suspect some of you done to forum911movement.org" will
restore your already damaged position especially after your self-loathing "essays"
about the truth.

we will rather have a fair setting:
I challenge you to a real-time phone-call or video conference (one at a time or ganged up I can take you all) to show you how easily I can defend from slander and unfounded accusations, libel and insults.


and one more thing

Wow, really earth-shattering words there...did you solve 9/11 by looking at fake
videos, you retard? I'm gonna support the real people here by telling you
to go f#ck yourself, you little bitch.

Your posts are worthless lies - don't post here anymore, you hemorrhoid.

proloft

proloft, you obviously don't know who you are insulting, so I seriously warn you to retract and apologize.

please reply here to agree on a time
and way to do this and take it like gentlemen, do not reply unless and until it is in the way I referred above, just a time-set agreement, a
fair setting I outlined above--my first idea would be the last week of April, yahoo video conference and take it from there?

you can choose to dismiss this or delete this thread (--this thread will be cached and followed up, ) but it will only show a cowardice even more obvious than some of you already have

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