9/11 and SEPTEMBER CLUES

Unread post by **brianv** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:20 pm

stevenwarran @ Oct 28 2009, 06:48 PM wrote:

The pic is called David+Alan+Harvey+Father Mike

David Alan Harvey

Dylan Avery

:rolleyes:

Unread post by **stevenwarran** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:41 pm

OK brianv, you win.

"I fail to see why any killings were necessary to pull off the stealthy WTC COMPLEX demolition."
Simon Shack

Unread post by **proloft** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:15 pm

stevenwarran 4 Oct 28 2009, 05:48 PM wrote:

Isn't that the same NYFD fuck on the extreme left who was "sniffing for gas" hours
earlier in the Naudet psyop?

Aside: Would a fireman not just sling the body of father Twink over his shoulder and
make a B-line outta there?
Nah, let's get 5 wankers to carry him in his chair like complete fuckin' retards,
stumbling over rubble with faces all dirty and stressed.
Yes, that makes a much better pic/story.
We'll go with that one then.

And for christ's sake, tuck that man's shirt in!

Unread post by **godzilla** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:25 pm

Yes that is the same gas-sniffing actor.

Could the good Father have possibly been set up in the group to be a real potential whistle-blower? And once they had to participate in offing him they were then involved in actual murder which would have helped them all keep their mouths shut?

Without having delved into the details about Father Mychal's death I have to wonder if he really is a dead man. How solid is the proof on that?

Unread post by **godzilla** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:56 pm

The shit looks so staged.

Father's hair is different color in two of the photos, is that from a shadow?

What is that prop hanging from his wrist? A tiny teddy bear on a chain?

edit: I think the hair color change is shadow.

Unread post by **brianv** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

stevenwarran 4 Oct 28 2009, 07:41 PM wrote: OK brianv, you win.

"I fail to see why any killings were necessary to pull off the stealthy WTC COMPLEX demolition."
Simon Shack

Just an observation of the recyclable elements in the grand scheme of things! Doesn't the man carrying the suitcases seem a little out of place? It's like he should be looking at a train-timetable!

Unread post by **simonshack** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:49 pm

godzilla 4 Oct 28 2009, 07:56 PM wrote: The shit looks so staged.

Father's hair is different color in two of the photos, is that from a shadow?

edit: I think the hair color change is shadow.

Uh no, Godzilla - you were right the 1st time :

WHITE-HAIRED FATHER "MYCHAL JUDGE"

BLACK-HAIRED FATHER "MYCHAL JUDGE" ( CERTAINLY NOT due to any shadow )

These were some of the first stills I looked at a long time ago.
They literally ooze of photoshoppery...

Unread post by **SmokingGunII** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:49 pm

godzilla 4 Oct 28 2009, 08:56 PM wrote: The shit looks so staged.

Father's hair is different color in two of the photos, is that from a shadow?

What is that prop hanging from his wrist? A tiny teddy bear on a chain?

edit: I think the hair color change is shadow.

The chain is actually hanging from his foot, godzilla.

His left hand forefinger changes position - is this possible after death, surely the muscles have stopped working?

Another detail: the FDNY guy carrying to the left has "C R Waugh" inscribed inside his jacket. I've checked the Memorial list and he isn't in there, so he survived that day. (sic)

I've googled his name and cannot find any reference to his part in this - which is strange given the nature of the story?

From stevenwarren's link:

So, many of the fire fighters associated with Father Judge did not give testimony to the World Trade Center Task Force project: Zachary Vause of Engine Co. 21 , Christian Waugh Ladder Co. 5 , Lieutenant Ciaravino of Ladder 102, Captain John P. O'Connell of Ladder 102

I'm still wading through your stuff and hadn't spotted this! :)

Unread post by **godzilla** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:57 pm

You're right Simon, those photos blown up definitely(ha ha) do show two colors of hair.

Father Mychal's face, if it's even real, doesn't quite look like a dead man's face to me.

What is that thing hanging from his boot?

Unread post by **stevenwarran** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:28 pm

It is a shadow guys.

First picture, men standing, carrying.

Second picture, men leaning over, clustering.

I really wish you people would at least do your due diligence and read my work.

Oh noes! I forgot! I'm not the great Simon Shack!!!

Argghjh, choke to death, expire, exit stage right.

Unread post by **Arch** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:47 pm

proloft 4 Oct 28 2009, 08:15 PM wrote:

Aside: Would a fireman not just sling the body of father Twink over his shoulder and
make a B-line outta there?
Nah, let's get 5 wankers to carry him in his chair like complete fuckin' retards,
stumbling over rubble with faces all dirty and stressed.
Yes, that makes a much better pic/story.
We'll go with that one then.

And for christ's sake, tuck that man's shirt in!

First post, hello everyone :blink:

The chair. The priest.

Apart from the possible 'throne' symbolism, our 4 legged friend could also have been used as the only practical solution available at that moment.

If this man was actually murdered by a gun? big syringe? electric prod? (Ray Ubenger's super analysis) , the means of death may have been delivered to the priests back.

This is why there is no fireman's lift.

Unread post by **simonshack** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:31 pm

stevenwarran @ Oct 28 2009, 09:28 PM wrote: It is a shadow guys.

Oh. I see...

Unread post by **godzilla** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:58 pm

stevenwarran @ Oct 28 2009, 02:28 PM wrote: It is a shadow guys.

First picture, men standing, carrying.

Second picture, men leaning over, clustering.

I really wish you people would at least do your due diligence and read my work.

Oh noes! I forgot! I'm not the great Simon Shack!!!

Argghjh, choke to death, expire, exit stage right.

I don't see it. I can't find what could be identified as the source of a shadow for that hair darkness considering the angle of light and the objects around. Also, the hair doesn't look like the other picture in other ways, like the way it lays.

Unread post by **brianv** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:55 pm

Are all his "rescuers" related to each other?

Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:12 am

You know Godzilla, you're really starting to be a big bore here.

You call yourself a depth researcher? OMG, you spotted the man viewing Father Judge's coffin-laid body is carrying an overnighter! You are the clairvoyant! Maybe it's because Judge is laid out in the Friary in the West 30's, a few short blocks away from Penn Station?

Only one word describes your analysis of the shadow: stupid. Whatever is causing the shadow across his head continues in a straight line darkening the arm of the fireman's turnout coat. It is leaving a small amount of side-burn hair undiscolored for you to make a comparison. What do you think is causing the distinct shadow across his mouth and chin? Doesn't that carry the same value as the hair shadow?

As far as whether this all constitutes pixel "vibration," or "bleed" I'll leave it up to all you 8KB-image experts.

But you are on shaky ground, whichever one of you called him Father Twink, and you should apologize. Whoever made the asinine comments about, "for God's sake tuck in his shirt" has never dealt with the realities of a dead body. These are cheap comments beneath human dignity and they leave me feeling disgusted. Grow up quick kids, and get back on track.