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timothymurphy 4 Jun 15 2010, 12:48 AM wrote:
simonshack 4 Jun 15 2010, 01:43 AM wrote: I just left a little comment on Farrukh's page. Hope my logic makes sense. ;)
http://www.copywriterjournalist.com/200 ... ment-80683

Your comment's already disappeared! :o
that was smokin' quick.
?????????

I can still see it. It's comment N?22.

22. simon shack - June 15, 2010

My warmest compliments:

Your brilliant awareness-ad contains 2 positive messages:

1: To most people who still believe thousands of people died in the WTC towers on 9/11, you will scare the sh@t out of them and they’ll immediately quit smoking.

2. To the smaller (but growing) number of people who know that no people died in the empty/evacuated WTC towers, your ad brings comfort and hope to all smokers in the world: They’ll know they can get away with it !

THE 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS:
http://www.septemberclues.org/vicsims_ ... alyses.htm

Again ? much respect for this inspired (*cough*cough) ad !

Does anyone else NOT see it?
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I see no comment after #21.
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Thanks Godzy ... but

This is crazy - I have refreshed and still see it at N?22.

Guys, can we please collaborate on this little "glitch" to try and understand how this sh@t happens?

Anyone else in the world who doesn't see my comment at N?22 of this articles' comment box?
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simonshack @ Jun 15 2010, 02:32 AM wrote: Thanks Godzy ... but

This is crazy - I have refreshed and still see it at N?22.

Guys, can we please collaborate on this little "glitch" to try and understand how this sh@t happens?

Anyone else in the world who doesn't see my comment at N?22 of this comment box?
http://www.copywriterjournalist.com/200 ... ment-80683
i see comment number 22 as:

22. tim - June 15, 2010
does this work?
what happened to simon shack’s comment?

maybe it's time to phone farukh up?
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Still only #21, and after refreshing the page.
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simonshack @ Jun 15 2010, 02:32 AM wrote: Thanks Godzy ... but

This is crazy - I have refreshed and still see it at N?22.

Guys, can we please collaborate on this little "glitch" to try and understand how this sh@t happens?

Anyone else in the world who doesn't see my comment at N?22 of this articles' comment box?
http://www.copywriterjournalist.com/200 ... ment-80683
21 here Simon.

I bet it's still in your browser cache or something! Did it come up straight away when posted?
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brianv @ Jun 15 2010, 01:41 AM wrote:
I bet it's still in your browser cache or something! Did it come up straight away when posted?
Yes.
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That might explain why you still see it! If you cleared your browser cache it would disappear, but don't !
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brianv @ Jun 15 2010, 01:57 AM wrote: That might explain why you still see it! If you cleared your browser cache it would disappear, but don't !
Ok - I guess I'll just try to re-post it tomorrow. Off to bed now...
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21 remains the last one. Nothing from anyone else so far ...

21. Nadeem Anjum - February 3, 2009

Perhaps this designer has an interest in protecting and exploiting the 9/11 victims myth?
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Well, I just couldn't be satisfied with the admission of 'designer', so though I am no expert on symbols I thought I would try to inspire a more elaborate answer from the fellow. This is what I sent:

Mister Walton,

An associate of mine, Timothy Murphy, referenced your e-mail address during an exploration we are doing of modern forms of semiotics. He was researching the uses of both cigarette symbolism and terrorism symbolism in modern media, and was apparently trying to draw a link between them. The reason I am curious about joining or contributing to that conversation is because my focus in this study is whether modern war linguistics is a result of three phenomena:

1. Design (such as public warnings, service announcements, news stories or in its most extreme form 'propaganda')
2. Accident (no symbolic intentional connection to war except for the unique internal visual lexicon of the modern individual)
3. Borrowed Interest (or better -- borrowed strokes, colors, curves, letters, fonts or other elements of style from established modern war symbols, borrowed war terminology, or even subconscious influence from the public's collective visual language about war)

If you would be so kind as to consider these phenomena in recollecting your design process for the 'No Smoking' ad, it would be of immense benefit to our research. I fully understand if you decide you do not have time for this exercise or cannot provide a deep narrative. Obviously, any inference to others' input on your art - either those close to you, or your inspirations - while you were designing this symbol will strike our curiosity.

Thank you for reading and for any timely response you can provide!
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Just for kicks I copied and pasted Simon's OP back up...

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proloft @ Jun 15 2010, 10:32 PM wrote: Just for kicks I copied and pasted Simon's OP back up...

http://www.copywriterjournalist.com/200 ... ment-80683
Well,

It's not there!...I guess you can see it as posted (just as I could see mine yesterday) but no one else can. This morning, I went there with another browser (Opera) and could not see my post. So I pasted it again - and it appeared again as posted, to me only... I have honestly never had such an experience with any blog.

Can anyone see Proloft's posting of the same? I don't think so. Duh. Timothy is right, we should call him up by phone. Will try tomorrow :P
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Terence (or anyone),

Please be patient with me if this is a "stupid question," but how can I see that eye in the triangle for myself (without depending on the image you posted--where/how did you get that?)

I downloaded the pdf linked in the "nothing sinister about that" post and when I magnify it, can't see anything resembling the triangle image.

Thanks,
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hoi.polloi 4 Jun 15 2010, 10:51 PM wrote: I thought I would try to inspire a more elaborate answer from the fellow.

Mister Walton,

An associate of mine, Timothy Murphy, referenced your e-mail address during an exploration we are doing of modern forms of semiotics. He was researching the uses of both cigarette symbolism and terrorism symbolism in modern media, and was apparently trying to draw a link between them. The reason I am curious about joining or contributing to that conversation is because my focus in this study is whether modern war linguistics is a result of three phenomena:

1. Design (such as public warnings, service announcements, news stories or in its most extreme form 'propaganda')
2. Accident (no symbolic intentional connection to war except for the unique internal visual lexicon of the modern individual)
3. Borrowed Interest (or better -- borrowed strokes, colors, curves, letters, fonts or other elements of style from established modern war symbols, borrowed war terminology, or even subconscious influence from the public's collective visual language about war)

If you would be so kind as to consider these phenomena in recollecting your design process for the 'No Smoking' ad, it would be of immense benefit to our research. I fully understand if you decide you do not have time for this exercise or cannot provide a deep narrative. Obviously, any inference to others' input on your art - either those close to you, or your inspirations - while you were designing this symbol will strike our curiosity.

Thank you for reading and for any timely response you can provide!
Hoi.Polloi

I like it, because Mr Walton has to

either:

1/
share some interesting aspects of his design process with the sophisticated fellow who's just e mailed him,

Or :

2/
he's got to claim to be really simple and unable to understand this complexity that Hoi must be projecting onto the design.


If he claims 2/ then he didn't really deserve to get the contract. Why would COI commision a bog-standard draughtman?

I know I said I'd leave this alone, but I'm gonna FOI COI about how much money they paid Paul Walton et al. for this - the amount of money should be a good indication of how much guile and sophistication is contained in the sign.
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