Supposed Predictions of the "Illuminati Card Game"

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Supposed Predictions of the "Illuminati Card Game"

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I first posted this in the Japan Earthquake thread, but then I thought it could deserve a discussion of its own, given its relation to 9/11 "foreknowledge" in particular.
dwalkerdon23 wrote:The Japan Earthquake was predicted in the Illuminati Card Game! Here is a link to the video of the complete set of the Illuminati card game on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwd43LJJ ... re=related
Undoubtedly that game is very interesting and spooky.

We are being told that this game was created in 1994. Anyway, I never heard of it, or seen any picture of it, until long after 9/11 when someone (who?) happened to notice the similarity between these two cards and the 9/11 events:

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There are many other cards in the game, but none seem to possess the eerie similarity we see here between the image proposed and the description we all know of global events.
There seems to be little chance we are in front of a simple coincidence (although it is always possible), so there are two other possibilities left:

One, some group created this game knowing 9/11 was going to happen, as a wink to other groups interested in the conspiracy, just like all the 9/11 foreknowledge planted in Hollywood movies or music videos and CD covers, etc.

But there is another possibility, given the little or nil popularity of this game. I suggest we should consider card number 1 here: "Rewriting history".

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"Any one alignment of any destroyed group may be retroactively added, removed, or reversed"
As a sort of exercise on the manipulation of fakery this internet age allows for, and that we face, I submit here to anyone's attention the idea that this game might be a "retroactive pretend-prediction", created after the 9/11 events, and simply presented over the internet as dated back to 1994.

Who's to dispute this if nobody even ever heard of such a game before anyway?

I think it is very useful to keep in mind that this can always happen, and that often we might be offered, through many sources, a faked succession of events that is deliberately altered to add some sort of "evidence" or clue to a particular event (We have seen this for example with Mariouma Fekry's facebook profile, dating way back her appearance as a vicsim of a terrorist attack.) This is always possible, it was before the internet was invented, but it is incredibly easier now, when all you need is access to the servers, the media outlets, and the search engines (access that certain entities certainly have, if there is enough interest).

In the case of the card game, it could be even easier to fake the original date of the game, to the point it could be a simple promotion stunt more than a psy-op side plot.

(As to the other supposed predictions of this game, including the earthquake in japan or the "oil spill" etcetera: they're all very generic and do not resemble any actual event with the image similarity we have for 9/11. Considered that Japan is earthquake land and that oil spills continuously happen, the only remarkable thing this game seem to convey, other than the 9/11 wink, remain the fact that every single event can be hijacked, used and even generated in the global game for power. Which seems to be correct, sort of.)

reference: Illuminati Card Game
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That "card game" was part of a whole series of "card games" published back at the tail-end of the Iran/Contra Scandals era, IIRC. Each box of cards was obviously intended to be a political satire in support of one of the various hot-button issues of the same politically leftish crowd that used to devour each new issue of the fabled conspiracy magazine of the 1980s and 1990s called Covert Action Bulletin, which later changed its name to Covert Action Quarterly. The CAQ 'zine was ostensibly authored and published by mix of disillusioned/whistleblowing ex-spooks and their fellow travelers on the anti-interventionist left of those bygone days. The boxes of cards were actually advertised and sold in militant/labor-oriented bookstores as "collectors' trading card sets," and the only "game" involved seems to have been their role in an anti-interventionist propaganda campaign organized by opponents of the Reagan/Bush invasions of certain Latin American nations, back in the day. I remember being surprised at the "Illuminati" orientation of this particular set of cards now being heralded as mysteriously PROPHETIC. My surprise was at the introduction of the name "Illuminati" into an ongoing work of leftist criticism, since it was only the rightist conspiracy wonks of that era who ever dared to express their giving credence to the generations-earlier research of such despised (on the left) revisionist historians as Webster, Robison, and Barrul. I actually bought a set of those cards when they were first published, but haven't looked at them (much less "played with them" :P ) for many years. I'll see if I can locate them now and verify if the web-posted scans of their WTC-related images are accurate (or have been Photoshopped).
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Thanks for all the info guys,I guess my first idea that this was a faked "prediction" retro-dated can probably be wrong. So it remains the actual "prediciton" of certain events as depicted in those famous two cards. If this is no coincidence, I wonder what the usefulness of such hints is... unless the usefulness is exactly in the eerie feeling we feel years later, after the events, as if overwhelmed by the sense of all the secret things that slip by us all the time, adding ultimately, in the intention of those who imagine these devices, to our sense of weakness and confusion...
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I think there is some 'confusion' going on about this game from what i've read so far;

The cards that are mentioned in the opening post are from INWO (illuminati new world order) which is a trading card game. This means you can build a deck from different cards of your choosing, play against each other with your own deck, and it has so called 'common', 'uncommon' and 'rare' cards. You can buy 'boosterpacks' which holds a number of random cards so you can expand your deck and trade doubles with others for instance.
As far as I know this structure of playing was first developed by the people behind "Magic The Gathering" (still popular until today) in the early 1990s.

THIS particular game from Steve Jackson ( based in Austin, Texas... naturally :lol: ) is a spin-off from the original Illuminati game and was first released in december of 1994 (see text at link of card list below).

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General information: http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/
Card list of INWO: http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/lists/il_html3.html
Card list of INWO supplement "Assassins" (from 1996): http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/products/as ... ist.3.html
Card list of standalone INWO expansion "SubGenius" (from 1998): http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/lists/subgenius.html

At Hollywoodinsiders.net they have a 20 page long list with card pictures that, from what i've seen, are most of the cards in the original INWO and some of the expansions:
http://www.hollywoodinsiders.net/dark/i ... ame_1.html

As you can see in the card list of INWO, the artist that designed the "terrorist nuke" and "pentagon" card is Dan Smith. I haven't looked into this person yet, perhaps 'we' can find some stuff about him. Or maybe someone else outside this forum already did some digging.

Dan Smith also is responsible for the card "combined disasters":

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The upper part of that tower that you see falling could be a reference to the Wako Clock Tower in Tokyo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wako_%28retailer%29.
For a picture check http://www.flickr.com/photos/arjanrichter/3884481990/ . This photo, taken by this Dutch guy in 2009, is the most widely used picture of this tower and both the card and the photo show almost identical times and the obvious reference to 11/3. Weird :blink:

and he did the card "atomic monster":

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The card says:
Disaster! This is an Instant Attack to destroy any Coastal Place. It does not require an action.
Its Power is 16 against a Huge Place, 20 against any other Place, but 24 against Japan or California.
If the attack succeeds, the target is Devestated. If it succeeds by more than 6, the target is destroyed.
Or play at any time to give +10 to any attack to destroy the Robot Sea Monsters or the Nuclear Power Companies!
Mr. Smith also designed incidentally the cards "anti-nuclear activists" , "nuclear power companies" , "nuclear accident" , "tidal wave" , "earthquake" , "earthquake projector". Since he and Shea Ryan did almost all the work for designing these cards, I wonder how Smith has all the goodies and Ryan none when it comes to relevance to specific 'world events'.


There is a thread at http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread675301/pg1 which deals with this topic by the way.


As I stated in the beginning, the trading card 'spin-off' is based on the original game from Steve Jackson which is just called "Illuminati" (check http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/ ). This one was developed in the early 1980s and released in 1982. It had a few versions over time (check http://www.sjgames.com/errata/illuminati/ ) and the final version of "Deluxe Illuminati" was released in may of 1999.
I myself own that deluxe version (bought it around 2003 when I'd read about its existence) and 3 expansion sets of it since, named Y2K (from 1999), Bavarian Fire Drill (from 2007) and Mutual Assured Distraction (from 2010).
It's a pretty fun tablegame to play with friends when you're in the mood for it :) The game doesn't take itself too seriously given the whole mind- and ruleset behind it and the humurous illustrations, but it does reflect often a level of reality as 'we' (the people that are interested in research of conspiracies/agendas and/or esoteric/occult stuff) see it to a large extent.

There is also an expansion set called Brainwash (latest version from around 1995), but this is out of print today.
And there is a standalone game, based on Illuminati, called Crime Lords (from 2004), but this one is also out of print today.

If anyone wants to check out (a) certain card(s) from deluxe illuminati or the 3 expansion sets I named, just say so and I can scan them for you. The card lists are in the links.

Here's an interview which appeared in "dragon magazine" (strangely no date given) with Steve Jackson about the original game and its design:
http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/designart.html
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Extremophile wrote:I think there is some 'confusion' going on about this game from what i've read so far
I know that officially that game is dated back to 1994, and I am familiar with the fact that there are "links" to pages that "prove" this. My proposal was that, considered that all these info appeared after 9/11 anyway, it could be faked info meant to retroactively create a faked prediction.

Since repeatanddandy apparently heard of and bought the game before 9/11, then I guess that's not the case. But not because of the few links that seem to prove it, get it?

About the Tokio tower: as I tried to explain already, this is no prediction of 11/3. The Tokyo clock tower is still standing! Where is the prediction? That Japan suffers earthquakes and that the tower might one day fall? Hardy a prediction. I think many many earthquakes struck Japan since 1994: according to this wicked page, at least 14. Which one is the prediction for? :lol:

The only real apparent "prediciton" of that game are the two cards that seem to evoke 9/11.
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I know that officially that game is dated back to 1994, and I am familiar with the fact that there are "links" to pages that "prove" this. My proposal was that, considered that all these info appeared after 9/11 anyway, it could be faked info meant to retroactively create a faked prediction.

Since repeatanddandy apparently heard of and bought the game before 9/11, then I guess that's not the case. But not because of the few links that seem to prove it, get it?
Yeah, I "get" it now... SORRY I didn't fully comprehend it sooner, OK? :o
What about this? http://waybackmachine.org/1998090100000 ... s.com/inwo
About the Tokio tower: as I tried to explain already, this is no prediction of 11/3. The Tokyo clock tower is still standing! Where is the prediction? That Japan suffers earthquakes and that the tower might one day fall? Hardy a prediction. I think many many earthquakes struck Japan since 1994: according to this wicked page, at least 14. Which one is the prediction for? :lol:

The only real apparent "prediciton" of that game are the two cards that seem to evoke 9/11.
Look, I only NOTICED, like others before me already did on several other sites, that there is an 11/3 reference in it. I never said it is the same as a prediction of that exact same tower that would fall, but nevertheless I find it "weird" since the resemblence of the tower on the card and that of the clocktower in tokyo. And yes, I agree, the 9/11 cards are MUCH better and real gems.

Did you wake up with the wrong attitude? jeez.. <_<
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Extremophile wrote:Did you wake up with the wrong attitude? jeez.. <_<
Hey, no attitude here. Sorry if it sounded that way. The expression "get it?" was not used in its patronizing sense, but in a regular "see what I mean?" fashion. Damn lack of audio/video :)
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nonhocapito wrote:
Extremophile wrote:Did you wake up with the wrong attitude? jeez.. <_<
Hey, no attitude here. Sorry if it sounded that way. The expression "get it?" was not used in its patronizing sense, but in a regular "see what I mean?" fashion. Damn lack of audio/video :)
Then I just misunderstood you at first, nonhocapito. It's ok now, thanks for the explanation :)
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Robert Anton Wilson anyone? I'm just a beginner at this philosophy stuff and happened across it by accident this evening.

We all live in a Yellow Submarine

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus!_Trilogy
A card game inspired by the trilogy, Illuminati was created by Steve Jackson Games. Using the Illuminatus! books as "spiritual guides but not as actual source material," it incorporated competing conspiracies of the Bavarian Illuminati and Discordians and others, though no characters or groups specific to the novels.[41] A trading card game (Illuminati: New World Order) and role-playing game supplement (GURPS Illuminati) followed. The instruction booklets' bibliographies praise the novel and Wilson particularly, calling Illuminatus! in part "required reading for any conspiracy buff". Robert Shea provided a four-paragraph introduction to the rulebook for the Illuminati Expansion Set 1 (1983)....
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Discordia

Notable symbols in the book include the Apple of Discord, the Pentagon

Any Beatles theorists here by the way?

http://www.rawilson.com/illuminatus.html#fnord


What is a Fnord?

The following essay is reprinted from the Premier Issue of Fnord.
It was originally titled Neurolinguistic Hacking for Dummies.

http://web.archive.org/web/200601101057 ... fnord.html

Maybe Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton
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There's a nice interview with Steve Jackson about his court case. The sound could be better, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zuJTnbT97 part one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2tjbpAV ... ure=relmfu part two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzhM_DeE ... re=related part three

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB5MaN2Z ... re=related part four
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reel.deal wrote:
brianv wrote: Notable symbols in the book include the Apple of Discord, the Pentagon

Any Beatles theorists here by the way?

Apple ? ...Beatles ???
.....Helter Skelter ?????

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:o (Ron English... 'POPaganda '... ) :P

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Organized religion preaches Order and Love but spawns Chaos and
Fury. Why?
Because the whole Material Universe is exclusive property of the
Greco-Roman Goddess of Chaos, Confusion, Strife, Helter-Skelter and
Hodge-Podge.
The Golden Apple Corps*

* Not to be confused with The Apple Corps Ltd. of those four singers. We thought of it
first.
This is by the same authors..

http://brainwash.discordian.com/files/P ... cordia.pdf
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brianv wrote:Notable symbols in the book include the Apple of Discord, the Pentagon

Any Beatles theorists here by the way?
Beats the hell out of me whether anything in the following article is 'reasonable to believe'. This paragraph is the Introduction to an article on the Beatles as the appointed tool/messenger of the perps to control the world's youth.
Any loving parent today would be horrified and shocked to learn that their sons and daughters are eagerly listening to such evil. Perhaps though, some may think privately, "If only we could return to the 'good old days,' with the music of the Beatles. " Little do most people suspect that it was with those innocent-looking Beatles, that most of the trouble started.

Modern electronic-rock music, inaugurated in the early 1960s, is, and always has been, a joint enterprise of British military intelligence and Satanic cults. On the one side, the Satanists control the major rock groups through drugs, sex, threats of violence, and even murder. On the other side, publicity, tours, and recordings are financed by record companies connected to British military intelligence circles.

Both sides are intimately entwined with the biggest business in the world, the international drug trade. The so-called "rock stars " are pathetic puppets caught in a much larger scheme. From the moment they receive their first recording royalties, the groups are heavily immersed in drugs. For example, much-admired "stars " such as John Lennon of the Beatles and Keith Richard of the Rolling Stones, were heroin addicts. Richard had to obtain blood transfusions, replacing his entire heroin-laced blood supply, in order to get a visa to enter the United States. The "rock stars " are also totally artificial media creations. Their public image, as well as their music, is fabricated from behind the scenes by controllers. For example, when the Beatles first arrived in the United States in 1964, they were mobbed at the airport by hundreds of screaming teenage girls. The national press immediately announced that "Beatlemania " had besieged the U.S.A. But the girls had all been transported from a girl's school in the Bronx, and paid for their screaming performance by the Beatles' promoters.

The money of the 1960s rock groups, which in some cases mounted to hundreds of millions of dollars, was also totally under the control of mob-connected promoters. From 1963 to 1970, the Rolling Stones made over $200 million, yet the group's members were all nearly bankrupt. None of them had any idea of where their money went.

Between 1963 and 1964 the Beatles and the Rolling Stones laid siege to Western European and American culture. This two-pronged invasion from England was well-planned and well-timed. America had just suffered the shock of the assassination of President John Kennedy, while in the streets the mass-based civil rights movement had just held a Washington, D.C. rally, led by Martin Luther King, of 500,000 people.

The rock counterculture would be used as a weapon to destroy such political movements. Later in 1968 and 1969, years which saw a mass strike of students and workers in the United States and Europe, huge, open-air rock concerts were used to head off the growing discontent of the population. The rock concerts were devised as a means for mass recruitment to the drug-saturated, free-sex counterculture. For the millions who came to these concerts, thousands of tablets of the hallucinogenic drug, LSD, were made freely available. These drugs were secretly placed in drinks such as Coca-Cola, turning thousands of unsuspecting victims into raving psychotics. Many committed suicide.

Less than a half century ago, our young children studied violin and piano, learning about the great classical composers such as Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven. As will be shown, the same record companies who today promote Satanic "heavy-metal " rock have run covert operations to destroy the musical heritage of these great classical composers. For the past thirty years, Western society has been under the gun of a deliberate plan of cultural warfare, with the purpose of eliminating Judeo-Christian civilization as we know it.

http://homepages.spa.umn.edu/~duvernoi/satan.html
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fbenario wrote:
brianv wrote:Notable symbols in the book include the Apple of Discord, the Pentagon

Any Beatles theorists here by the way?
Beats the hell out of me whether anything in the following article is 'reasonable to believe'.
Also on the subject is "Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation". Right now it is not available (I think they occasionally have bandwidth problems over there). I have it all saved offline, anyway. Here's an excerpt:
An uncanny number of rock music superstars will emerge from Laurel Canyon beginning in the mid-1960s and carrying through the decade of the 1970s...

One of the earliest on the Laurel Canyon/Sunset Strip scene is Jim Morrison, the enigmatic lead singer of The Doors. Jim will quickly become one of the most iconic, controversial, critically acclaimed, and influential figures to take up residence in Laurel Canyon. Curiously enough though, the self-proclaimed “Lizard King” has another claim to fame as well, albeit one that none of his numerous chroniclers will feel is of much relevance to his career and possible untimely death: he is the son, as it turns out, of the aforementioned Admiral George Stephen Morrison.

And so it is that, even while the father is actively conspiring to fabricate an incident that will be used to massively accelerate an illegal war [the Tonkin incident], the son is positioning himself to become an icon of the ‘hippie’/anti-war crowd. Nothing unusual about that, I suppose. It is, you know, a small world and all that. And it is not as if Jim Morrison’s story is in any way unique...
I don't suppose anyone find it interesting that the soundtrack Alex Jones plays on his shows is strangely left-wing and rebel-like (feturing lots of the tunes from Laurel Canyon as well), despite his apparent coming straight from right-wing culture if not a military intelligence (possibly zionist) background. Which bears the question, is this music really "rebellious" or is it just, "rebel-like"?
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