FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby simonshack on January 12th, 2013, 4:56 pm

hoi.polloi wrote:
This is the shortest of the audio files and I have yet to explore the others.


And this audiofile ends with this sentence, loud and clear:

"Ok, you guys got it. That's all we've got".

Cheeky bastards... :angry: :puke:
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby hoi.polloi on January 12th, 2013, 5:30 pm

This looks like somewhere around 30 hours of audio. I guess it's my responsibility to listen to all of it now that I got it.

All this and no flight manifests.

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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby brianv on January 13th, 2013, 10:53 am

They basically dumped a load of junk on three DVD's and sent it to you! Quantity not quality for your $50. A veritable McDonalds for all to feast on! You will feel hungry again five minutes after eating it! Nice work hoi!
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby nonhocapito on January 15th, 2013, 9:53 pm

I noticed now the presence of this new material on our website. Great work sharing it Hoi. Downloading now, I'm looking forward to a good laugh.

In the meantime: it is pretty incredible that no actual flight manifests were included, since parts of flights manifests circulated on the internet -- at least there's still one scrap for Flight 11 on the "fireman sam" blog (http://firemansams.blogspot.it/2011/01/ ... fests.html). I wonder how Sam got it? Of course he gives no source (nope, "scribd" isn't a source).
Truth be told, presenting clear sources to the material I think will remain as one of the most adamant contributions left by the cluesforum in terms of ethics of research in the whole 9/11 research scenario. Nobody seems too much concerned with them.
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby hoi.polloi on August 17th, 2014, 2:48 am

PLEASE NOTE:

When we moved servers to NearlyFreeSpeech recently, we did not move the massively large but rather useless FOIA request results (totaling something like 13 to 14 Gigabytes of apparent garbage). For the sake of expediting the process of moving, we opted to re-upload them later. I have not yet gotten to it, and now that there is a link from Fakeologist.com to this topic, I feel sheepish about having failed to do so until now, months later.

I will get to it as soon as possible. I will also try to fix the broken links to the images we had up of my correspondence with the NARA staff. My apologies. For now, you can read the bulk of the correspondence that occurred over e-mail. Thanks.
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby hoi.polloi on May 21st, 2016, 6:42 pm

Well it turns out "as soon as possible" ended up being a governmently 21 months. Sorry about that.

Not that anyone really cares about browsing this low level propaganda, but in case there is some nugget within, here it is again.

I think some of the more attention-getting documents (be they forged or not) are in this folder in particular: http://www.septclues.com/NARA-FOIA/NW_3 ... 0%20Other/

In retrospect, I believe what they handed over was some junk NARA was given post-FBI/CIA handling. So it seems NARA only holds the files that the 9/11 Commission Report generated as props for their staged non-investigation. That is, we are left with the theater tools but not the credits.

Not a very convincing play by the hoaxers.
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby hoi.polloi on May 21st, 2016, 7:26 pm

I want to note that, whether it's real or not, or official or not, the alleged document that looks like a response to a request from the FBI for a list of flight simulators operational on September 12th seems a bit comical. One, because the response to the FBI is basically, "I got this from the FAA web site." Aw dude, agent Gordon, why didn't we check the FAA web site first?

Second, because it's September 12th. Talk about a slow turn around. Guess the idea of a military drill didn't occur to these folks until the morning after.

Wait a minute! I got it! Duuhh ...

But by looking at the FBI's interest in at least covering this topic that mostly flew over most people's heads, we run into some interesting tidbits.

First of all, the document: http://www.septclues.com/NARA-FOIA/NW_3 ... SEALED.pdf

40 pages of FAA lists of active simulators. Manufacturers running military-level sims (in C and D according to this ...)

Simcom's strength is its huge visual presentation. Although the experience is realistic, landings or flight reviews cannot be logged in flight training devices—even sophisticated ones.

Finally, we arrive at Level D. Behold that you can do everything in it, including full type ratings for sophisticated airliners. Cook says there are between 400 and 430 in the country. Daylight scenery is a requirement. (Some AATDs have daylight scenery, too.) They have better data and tighter performance tolerances.

Tom Evans, training center manager at Simcom’s Lee Vista facility in Orlando, was asked which of the devices and simulators can be used for instrument proficiency checks (IPCs) and flight reviews. Only Level C and D simulators can be used for a full IPC, start to finish, Evans said. That’s because of an FAA requirement for a landing as part of the IPC (a recent change made by the FAA), and only those two levels are considered realistic enough to give credit for a landing. Other devices and simulators give credit for flight experience, and that includes the approaches, holding, and the navigation portion of the IPC. But you’ll not get credit for a landing unless you’re in a Level C or Level D simulator—or, of course, the real airplane.


from ABCs of Flight Simulators — A tangled web we weave (May 1, 2011 By Alton K. Marsh)
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... simulators
Kind of a weird title but anyway ...

... include CAE and NLX for none other than United Airlines.

In 2003, NLX was sold to Rockwell Collins (NYSE: COL), a manufacturer of communications and aviation equipment for military and commercial customers worldwide.

http://arlingtoncap.com/investments/nlx/

Another arrow pointed at Rockwell Collins (fuckin' "moon landing" fakers).

As for Canadian aerospace and mining corporation CAE, its former director (post 9/11) Robert E. Brown has no entry in Wikipedia, but it's interesting to note he was (I guess) director of Bombardier during 9/11.

CAE_brown2.jpg

http://www.bce.ca/governance/boardcommi ... bers/brown

AIMA_brown_executive_accordion__0.jpg

https://www.aimia.com/en/about/board.html

Anyway, hopefully you follow my train of thought. There are some interesting things you could follow, if you wanted to bother.
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby simonshack on May 21st, 2016, 9:48 pm

*
Thanks so much for all your hard work, Hoi.

What all this comes down to - of course (and very, very simply put) is that:

THERE EXISTS NO OFFICIAL PAPERWORK DOCUMENTING THE VERY EXISTENCE
OF THE ALLEGED FOUR FLIGHTS WHICH, REPORTEDLY, CRASHED ON 9/11.


Therefore, dear Cluesforum readers, if ANYONE ever asks you the following question (which I have been asked countless times over the years):

"If no planes crashed on 9/11 - what happened to the actual flights and passengers which, we were told, disappeared on that day ?"

Your informed /knowledgeable answer should be:

There is NO official / bureaucratic record of the very existence of those flights. Something which does not exist - cannot disappear.
Please read "The 9/11 FOIA SAGA" over at Cluesforum.info > viewtopic.php?f=22&t=94
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby hoi.polloi on September 2nd, 2016, 4:28 pm

Let's take a look at this official-ish article image. It is claimed by the Boston Globe that they "acquired" [?] the flight manifest for AA11. (Thanks for the tip, nonhocapito!)

Flight_11_Manifest.gif


Though we can only wonder where these alleged passengers fit on a 2-dimensional morphing, color-changing airplane graphic computer-animated across our TV screens on 9/11, alright — it is the only known reference of any kind to the flight manifests that NARA says do not exist. I guess the Boston Globe beat NARA to the punch — if we are to believe the FAA's claim that NARA acquired everything on the very day of 9/11 — or, even quicker to the draw than the FBI. That's some proactive staff, BG!

But which staff? The image credits (let's journalistically highlight their names as if it inflate their reality) the following:
Ed WIEDERER, David BUTLER, Jim KARAIAN and Hwei WEN FOO.

AAEAAQAAAAAAAAQTAAAAJGFmMTI0Y2ExLTdlZGItNDM4Mi05ZjY3LWJjZjA3MjYyNTFhOA.jpg

https://ca.linkedin.com/in/edward-wiederer-452bb0102
Ed Wiederer [Germanic for Edward again-er?] — not much on this character. There is a grainy "Edward Wiederer" with a weird eye in a grainy shitty photo one can hardly imagine is being used for a professional profile picture. And no sign of them on the present Boston Globe staff page: https://www.bostonglobe.com/tools/help/stafflist
There is also a creative writer Ed Wiederer on LinkedIn with 2 connections. There is certainly more at Boston Globe that Wiederer will be credited with, even as a fictional or semi-fictional staff member. Perhaps we'll find that later he was first on the scene at the Boston Bombing, the Waco, Virginia Tech or Columbine High School massacres?

David Butler is apparently an infographics artist and we can presume, if not just taking the credit/fall, had some kind of information from the alleged manifest. Perhaps worth contacting!

Jim Karaian also does not appear on the present staff list, though a Jason Karaian is writing for QZ. Can anything more be found on this family?

Nothing for Hwei Wen Foo either, for now.

Would it feel too much like scrubbing toilets to pursue this line of inquiry now?
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby hoi.polloi on September 2nd, 2016, 5:39 pm

Some oddities with their list:

No sign of wandering vicsim Titus Davidson (55) of Morgan Stanley, credited with death on AA11 while getting their page deleted from the CNN memorial and leaving nothing but a sim-pathy candle for an image preview. Heather Lee has been renamed Heather Lee Smith on the CNN memorial. They seem to be wanting to downplay "Lee" entirely, since at Legacy it also goes by the name Heather L. Smith. Why the transition? The Jeffreys have been separated by dropping a "rey" from one of them, (though they have still been seated near each other). Natalie Lasden has been shortened to "N." ... for some reason. Right next to agent N, John Nicholas Humber lost the first name completely, and is now just Nicholas. :huh:

These guys are still making curious aesthetic decisions in local random chunks, for "artistic" reasons we might assume. But they seem to have serious cognitive issues with foreign names. Pendyala Vamsikrishna has been "abbreviated" to Pendy. Vamsikrish. Huh? Waleed Iskandar is spelled "Walid Ishkandar", even though Iskandar's own sim-mother and sim-father spell it the same as the CNN memorial's Iskandar. Peter el-Hachem is now Peter Hashem. Why the change? Sim-ignorance? Alberto Domiguez has become Albert, and Carlos Alberto Montoya has lost his Alberto. What do they have against Als? In first place of row 11, they've decided that Andrew Peter Charles Curry Green is just Andrew Curry Green. Antonio Jesus Montoya Valdes is merely a Montoya.

The family of Berinthia Berenson Perkins preferred "Berry Berenson". Donald Americo DiTullio, the American throat inspector, is now Ditullio. Junior suffixes and middle names have been dropped ad hoc.

Though AA simployees Kathleen Ann Nicosia ("54"), Karen A. Martin ("40") and Jeffrey Dwayne Collman ("41") already have ages associated with their simulated deaths, those ages (and their middle names) are inexplicably omitted. Aesthetic decision? Sure! Why not? Gives it the flavor of diversity instead of creation in a database. Let's just look at these "people" once more as a reminder of how real they were.

KathleenNicosia.jpg

nicosia_kathleen.jpg


flight-attendant.jpg

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martin.karen.jpg


:P
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby hoi.polloi on September 2nd, 2016, 7:17 pm

Just e-mailed the creator. Not sure what they will have to say.

Hi Mr. Butler!

I saw that some time ago, you were credited with an image used for the 9/11 flight AA11 infographic, where you seated the names of victims and terrorists in an arrangement around an airplane graphic. It was really helpful and easy to understand which name had which seat. I was wondering if you have a link to the original article that it accompanied. I am researching the Flight Manifests of 9/11 and quite amazingly, the Boston Globe article associated with your graphic is the only source which seems to have had any connection to the original flight manifests [from] 9/11.

So, actually, I would want to ask you as well: what do you remember, if anything, about working on this historic project? I also noticed the Globe omitted some things, like one of the passengers, some other details and changed some names of passengers, and I wanted to know what documents you had available when you were making the list. And would you be able to connect me to someone at the Boston Globe with more information about this historic graphic and its original sources of information?

Other names credited in the image are Ed Wiederer, Jim Karaian and Hwei Wen Foo but I couldn't find them on the staff page. If you worked with them on this project, would they also know something about it and be able to help?

A response would be appreciated! Thank you!

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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby hoi.polloi on September 12th, 2016, 7:10 pm

Well, I got a response! A bit brief and almost bitter sounding, though.

I doubt hoi polloi is your real name.

David Butler
Graphic designer
The Boston Globe
617-929-2259


At first, I thought that came across as a rather lame excuse not to say anything, but I decided to treat him humanely in any case.

Hi, David!

Wow! Thanks for the response. You're right! Though, I don't feel it's very hard, especially for someone in journalism, to find out my real name. I've been researching and publishing for over a decade and I don't want to assume anyone wants to be bothered with that. So, you want to know my real name? Is that all you want? I can give you my home address. My phone number. Etc. etc. What kind of situation would you accept for you to share your story with the public? Do you want my Skype name? That's pretty much my real name.

If you would agree to a recorded interview on Skype, I would treat you with the utmost respect, which you certainly deserve! I mean, you literally represent the only contact name out there representing the only known flight manifest of any of the 9/11 flights. Has nobody else contacted you about that ever? This is like a lurking big story, since the Commission Report itself didn't adequately cite actual flight manifests. So, it's huge. Don't you think the public deserves to know how that came about? I think so! Don't let a little habitual pesudo-anonymity get in the way.

"HP" :)


I was hoping for more, but I guess it's been a busy weekend. I'll keep trying him. Here's what I sent today:

Hi again Mr. Butler,

I guess it's probably been a busy weekend at the Boston Globe, but I was wondering if you gave any more consideration to sharing your story of having the only known public contact with the single 9/11 flight manifest apparently known to exist in the whole country. I think the public deserves to believe in real journalistic integrity, don't you?

This country needs some faith that the media employees like yourselves genuinely care about the truth. As a man of journalism I am sure you are interested in the idea of building respect for the media? Something like that might be on the public's mind after the 15th anniversary of 9/11 and not much to show for the "War on Terror".

An interview may be conducted with the utmost respect you deserve, of course!

Also, you never answered whether those names listed in the graphic were people, you actually worked with. I am assuming those are their real names, too and not nom de plumes, like I use?

Would you mind if I gave you a call and just talked things over and maybe we could record it as well? Then we don't have to go on with this e-mail game of tag. :P

Please let me know! Thank you!
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby hoi.polloi on October 2nd, 2016, 4:23 am

Well, this concludes the almost-information, I guess. It's too bad but I understand where he's coming from. I wouldn't want to betray an agreement, either.

His response:

I don't want to feed any conspiracy theories. Ed, Jim, and Wen are real names of people who have moved on in their careers. I got a flight list from someone official with the promise to never reveal where it came from and I won't.
I retired from The Globe last week and don't expect this email will remain active much longer. My retirement had nothing to do with your question, which comes up every now and then. I'm sorry I can't help you.
David

David Butler
Graphic designer
The Boston Globe
617-929-2259


And mine:

David,

I respect your confidentiality and I am sorry that you were asked to make that promise. "Nondisclosure agreement theories" need not be fed.

I am sorry about this situation, too. One day perhaps we will bridge the accelerating divide between the public and their trusted news sources. I guess this isn't that time, but a man can dream. And know that I will continue to try because the way things are headed is rather ugly, and I believe we can do something about it if we stay positive and continue to care for each other as human beings.

You've done your part. Be well, sir and godspeed! And congratulations on retirement, may it serve you well.


My response e-mail bounced back.
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Re: FOIA Request for 9/11 Flight Envelopes

Postby hoi.polloi on October 7th, 2016, 1:14 am

brianv's pioneering early research into the flight data is reproduced here, taken from his original posts at LetsRoll (link below)
http://letsrollforums.com//ssa-and-publ ... light=ssdi

On a hunch, I tried to search for the name "Titus Davidson" which was a "lost" 9/11 vicsim on flight 11, no longer listed elsewhere. Weirdly, there is another Titus — but used as a last name for a vicsim credited on the flight 175 list: Alicia [N.] Titus

Not sure about such high chances for the interesting name "Titus", which may have been the reason they deleted the vicsim "Titus Davidson" from the CNN memorial list of flight 11 vicsims, and why (suddenly retired) David Butler of the Boston Globe cannot tell us anything about that list he received, to copy for the article graphic. If Titus Davidson was simply "removed", it points once more to the concept that the entire database of names is a fiction with modular and somewhat arbitrary playing pieces to move around for purposes of propaganda story telling.

brianv's posts:

SSA and Public Records, Death Records from all Flights
Before I start I think it's worth pointing out, that I'm not claiming this to be absolute facts, these are the results of querying the names of crew and passengers against the Death Records Public Records SSA Master Death File Database, by name and state combination and where no state is available all states were used.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra...1.victims.html

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11
American Airlines Flight 11, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California, crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center with 92 people on board.

We are minus 4 on this list, CNN claim 92 were on board yet only print 88 names.

CREW
1. John Ogonowski, 52, of Dracut, Massachusetts, was the pilot of Flight 11. He lived on a 150-acre farm north of Boston. He is survived by his wife, Margaret, and three daughters, Laura, 16; Caroline, 14; and Mary, 11. A lifelong aviation buff, he joined the Air Force after graduating from college and flew planes at the close of the Vietnam War. He joined American Airlines in 1979. [1 RECORD]

2. First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42, of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, was Flight 11's co-pilot. He is survived by his wife, Cheryl, and a 14-year-old son and 16-year-old daughter. He was active in Bethany Church in Greenland, New Hampshire, friends and neighbors told The Boston Globe. Rick DeKoven, a church administrator, described him as "a devoted family man." [NO RECORD]

3. Barbara Arestegui, 38, was a flight attendant from Marstons Mills, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

4. Jeffrey Collman was a flight attendant. [NO RECORD]

5. Sara Low, 28, was a flight attendant from Batesville, Arkansas. [NO RECORD]

6. Karen Martin was a flight attendant. [55 RECORDS]

7. Kathleen Nicosia was a flight attendant. [2 records, Kate (NY), Kathleen (unknown)]

9. Betty Ong, 45, was a flight attendant from Andover, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

10. Jean Roger, 24, was a flight attendant from Longmeadow, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

11. Dianne Snyder, 42, was a flight attendant from Westport, Massachusetts. [1 RECORD]

12. Madeline Sweeney, 35, was a flight attendant from Acton, Massachusetts. [1 RECORD]

PASSENGERS

13. Anna Williams Allison, 48, of Stoneham, Massachusetts, was the founder of A2 Software Solutions, a firm that assists companies in software development. Allison had more than 19 years' experience in the software development industry and was a frequent speaker and trainer at national and local conferences. [NO RECORD]

14. David Angell, 54, of Pasadena, California, was the creator and executive producer of the hit NBC sitcom "Frasier." A native of West Barrington, Rhode Island, Angell entered the Army after graduating from college and served at the Pentagon until 1972. He worked in insurance and engineering before selling a script for a TV series in 1977. In 1983, he joined the TV series "Cheers" as a staff writer and began working with co-supervising producers Peter Casey and David Lee. This team formed a production company, creating and producing "Wings" in 1990 and "Frasier" in 1993. The trio won 24 Emmys. [2 RECORDS CA]

15. Lynn Angell, 45, of Pasadena, California, was the wife of "Frasier" creator and executive producer David Angell. The Angells were returning from a wedding on the East Coast to attend the Emmy Awards. [NO RECORD]

16. Seima Aoyama [NO RECORD, US NATIONAL?]

17. Myra Aronson, 52, of Charlestown, Massachusetts, was a press and analyst relations manager for Compuware Corp. [NO RECORD]

18 Christine Barbuto, 32, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos., the off-price retailer of apparel and home fashions. She was on her way to California on a buying trip. Barbuto is survived her father and two sisters. She had worked for TJX for five years. [NO RECORD]

19. Berry Berenson, 53, of Los Angeles, California, was an actress and photographer. She was the widow of actor Anthony Perkins, who died in 1992, and sister of actress and model Marisa Berenson. She is survived by two sons, Osgood, an actor, and Elvis. Born into an aristocratic family, Berenson appeared in the movies "Cat People" (1982), "Winter Kills" (1979) and "Remember My Name" (197. [NO RECORD]

20. Carolyn Beug, 48, of Los Angeles, California, was traveling with her mother, Mary Wahlstrom. They had gone to Boston to drop off relatives at a nearby college and were returning home. [NO RECORD]

21. Carol Bouchard, 43, of Warwick, Rhode Island, was a Kent County Hospital emergency room secretary. [NO RECORD]

22. Robin Caplin was from Natick, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

23. Neilie Casey, 32, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning manager for TJX Cos., the off-price retailer of apparel and home fashions. She worked for TJX for eight years. Casey is survived by her husband and a 7-month-old daughter.
[NO RECORD]

24. Jeffrey Coombs, 42, of Abington, Massachusetts, was a security analyst for Compaq Computer. He is survived by his wife, Christie, and three children, Meagan, 10; Julia, 7; and Matt, 12. [1 RECORD]

25. Tara Creamer, 30, of Worcester, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning manager for TJX Cos., the off-price retailer of apparel and home fashions. She had worked for TJX for eight years. Creamer is survived by her husband, John, and two children, Colin, 4, and Nora, 1. [NO RECORD]

26. Thelma Cuccinello, 71, was a Wilmot, New Hampshire, resident with 10 grandchildren. She was on her way to visit a sister in California. Daughter Cheryl O'Brien gave her mom a ride to catch a bus to Logan International Airport in Boston. "I was the last one to see her," O'Brien said. "I got to kiss her and say 'I love you' and 'Have a nice trip.' " [ 1 RECORD, Thelma R,]

27. Patrick Currivan [NO RECORD]

28. Andrew Curry Green was from Chelmsford, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

29. Brian Dale, 43, of Warren, New Jersey, was an accountant and attorney with Blue Capital Management. He was married and the father of three. [NO RECORD]

30. David DiMeglio was from Wakefield, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

31. Donald Ditullio, 49, was from Peabody, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

32. Albert Dominguez, 66, was a baggage handler for Qantas Airways in Sydney, Australia. He was traveling on holiday at the time of his death. He was married with four children. [NOT INCLUDED]

33. Alex Filipov, 70, was an electrical engineer from Concord, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

34. Carol Flyzik, 40, was from Plaistow, New Hampshire. [NO RECORD]

35. Paul Friedman, 45, from Belmont, Massachusetts, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting. [NO RECORD]

36. Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a senior investment analyst for John Hancock. [NO RECORD]

37. Peter Gay, 54, of Tewksbury, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. vice president of operations for electronic systems based in Andover, Massachusetts. He had worked for Raytheon for more than 28 years. [1 RECORD]

38. Linda George, 27, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos., the off-price retailer of apparel and home fashions. She was on her way to California on a buying trip. George is survived by her father, mother, sister and brother. She was engaged to be married. [2 RECORDS, George Linda, Linda George (MA)]

39. Edmund Glazer, 41, of Los Angeles, California, was the chief financial officer and vice president of finance and administration of MRV Communications, a Chatsworth, California, firm that focuses on optical components and network infrastructure systems. Glazer was survived by his wife, Candy, and son, Nathan. [NO RECORD]

40. Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, of Needham, Massachusetts, was an assistant vice president, merchandise manager, for TJX Cos., the off-price retailer of apparel and home fashions. She was on her way to California on a buying trip. Gordenstein is survived by her husband and two children. [NO RECORD]

41. Paige Farley Hackel, 46, was a spiritual adviser from Newton, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

42. Peter Hashem, 40, was an engineer from Tewksbury, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

43. Robert Hayes, 37, from Amesbury, Massachusetts was a sales engineer with Netstal. [21 RECORDS]

44. Ted Hennessy, 35, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting in Belmont, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

45. John Hofer [89 RECORDS, all states]

46. Cora Holland, 52, of Sudbury, Massachusetts, was with Sudbury Food Pantry, an interdenominational program that assisted needy families, at Our Lady of Fatima Church. [2 RECORDS]

47. Nicholas Humber, 60, of Newton, Massachusetts, was the owner of Brae Burn Management. [1 RECORD, unknown state]

48. John Jenkins [1497 RECORDS, all states]

49. Charles Jones, 48, was a computer programmer from Bedford, Massachusetts.
[57 RECORDS]

50. Robin Kaplan, 33, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a senior store equipment specialist for TJX Cos., the off-price retailer of apparel and home fashions. She was on her way to California to help prepare for a new T.J. Maxx store opening. Kaplan had returned to work this year after battling Crohn's disease, a life-threatening inflammatory illness of the gastrointestinal tract. She is survived by her father, Edward Kaplan, and mother, Francine. [ NO RECORD]

51. Barbara Keating, 72, was from Palm Springs, California. [2 RECORDS, Barbara, Barbara A (CA)]

52. David Kovalcin, 42, of Hudson, New Hampshire, was a Raytheon Co. senior mechanical engineer for electronic systems in Tewksbury, Massachusetts. He had worked for Raytheon for 15 years. [NO RECORD]

53. Judy Larocque, 50, of Framingham, Massachusetts, was the founder and CEO of Market Perspectives, a research firm that offers online and on-site surveys. Before founding the company in 1993, she was the principal of Emergent Marketing, an executive marketing consulting firm. [NO RECORD]

54. Jude Larson, 31, was from Los Angeles, California. [NO RECORD]

55. Natalie Larson was from Los Angeles, California. [NO RECORD]

56. N. Janis Lasden, 46, of General Electric was from Peabody, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

57. Daniel John Lee, 34, was from Los Angeles, California. [NO RECORD]

58. Daniel C. Lewin, 31, was the co-founder and chief technology officer at Akamai Technologies Inc., a Cambridge, Massachusetts, company that produces technology equipment to facilitate online content delivery. He is survived by his wife and two sons. He founded Akamai in 1998 with scientist Tom Leighton and a group of Massachusetts Institute of Technology scientists and business professionals. Lewin was responsible for the company's research and development strategy. [NOT INCLUDED IN SEARCH]

59. Susan MacKay, 44, of Westford, Massachusetts, was an employee of TJX Cos., the off-price retailer of apparel and home fashions. [1 RECORD]

60. Chris Mello, 25, was a financial analyst with Alta Communications from Boston. He graduated from Princeton University with a degree in psychology. He is survived by his parents, Douglas and Ellen Mello of Rye, New York; a brother, John Douglas Mello of New York City; and his paternal grandmother, Alice Mello, of Barefoot Bay, Florida. [NO RECORD]

61. Jeff Mladenik, 43, of Hinsdale, Illinois, was the interim president at E-Logic. [NO RECORD]

62. Antonio Montoya [82 RECORDS, all states]

63. Carlos Montoya [23 RECORDS]

64. Laura Lee Morabito, 34, was the Qantas Airways area sales manager in Boston. She lived in Framingham, Massachusetts, with her husband. She was traveling on company business at the time of her death. [NO RECORD]

65. Mildred Naiman was from Andover, Massachusetts. [1 RECORD]

66. Laurie Neira [1 RECORD, unknown state]

67. Renee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island, was a customer service agent with American Airlines. [NO RECORD]

68. Jacqueline Norton, 60, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. She was traveling with her husband, Robert Norton. [NO RECORD]

69. Robert Norton, 82, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. He was traveling with his wife, Jacqueline Norton. [5 RECORDS]

70. Jane Orth, 49, of Haverhill, Massachusetts, was retired from Lucent Technology. [NO RECORD]

71. Thomas Pecorelli, 31, of Los Angeles, California, was a cameraman for Fox Sports and E! Entertainment Television. [NO RECORD]

72. Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts, was a retired ballet dancer. [NO RECORD]

73. David Retik was from Needham, Massachusetts. He was a general partner and founding member of Alta Communications, a Boston-based investment firm specializing in communication industries. Retik graduated from Colgate University and received a master's in accounting from New York University. He is survived by his wife, Susan and their two children, Ben and Molly. [NO RECORD]

74. Philip Rosenzweig of Acton, Massachusetts, was an executive with Sun Microsystems. [NO RECORD]

75. Richard Ross, 58, of Newton, Massachusetts, headed his own management consulting company, the Ross Group. 8 [RECORDS]

76. Jessica Sachs, 22, of Billerica, Massachusetts was an accountant with PricewaterhouseCoopers. [NO RECORD]

77. Rahma Salie, 28, was from Boston. [NO RECORD]

78. Heather Smith, 30, of Beacon Capital Partners was from Boston. [1 RECORD]

79. Douglas Stone, 54, was from Dover, New Hampshire. [NO RECORD]

80. Xavier Suarez [1 RECORD, Xavier G, (NJ)]

81. Michael Theodoridis, 32, was a consultant from Boston. [NO RECORD]

82. James Trentini, 65, was a retired teacher and assistant principal from Everett, Massachusetts. [1 RECORD, James A, (MA)]

83. Mary Trentini, 67, was a retired secretary from Everett, Massachusetts. [2 RECORDS, Mary, Mary B, (MA)]

84. Mary Wahlstrom, 75, of Kaysville, Utah, was traveling with her daughter, Carolyn Beug. They had gone to Boston to drop off relatives at a nearby college and were returning home. [1 RECORD, Mary A (UT)]

85. Kenneth Waldie, 46, of Methuen, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. senior quality control engineer for electronic systems in Tewksbury, Massachusetts. He had worked for Raytheon for 17 years. [NO RECORD]

86. John Wenckus, 46, was a tax consultant from Torrance, California. [NO RECORD]

87. Candace Lee Williams, 20, was a student from Danbury, Connecticut. [NO RECORD]

88. Christopher Zarba, 47, of Hopkinton, Massachusetts, was a software engineer at Concord Communications. He leaves behind a wife and family. He would have been 48 on September 15. [NO RECORD]


- 6 Mar 2005 , 19:06 PM

Flight 77 Public Records, SSA Death Records
These are the results of querying the names of crew and passengers against the Death Records, Public Records, SSA Master Death File Database, by Name and State combination and where no state is available all states were used.

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77

American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra...7.victims.html

This list is 9 people shy. 64 People were reported lost, CNN only print 55 names.

CREW
1.Charles Burlingame III of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot. [2 RECORDS ]

2. David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day." [NO RECORD]

3. Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son. [NO RECORD]

4. Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis. [4 RECORDS : Lewis Jennie ?]

5. Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis. [8 RECORDS]

6. Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant. [NO RECORD]


PASSENGERS


7. Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine. [NO RECORD]

8. Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California. [NO RECORD]

9. M.J. Booth [NO RECORD]

10. *Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. [4 RECORDS]

11. Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc. [NO RECORD]

12. William Caswell [90 RECORDS]

13.Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. [16 RECORDS]

14. Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. [NO RECORD]

15. James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. [NO RECORD]

16. Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. [NO RECORD]

17. Eddie Dillard [50 RECORDS]

18. Charles Droz [6 RECORDS)

19. Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas. [NO RECORD]

20. Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. [NO RECORD]

21. Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham. [NO RECORD]

22. Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham. [NO RECORD]

23. Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way." [ 5 RECORDS]

24. Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot. [NO RECORD - with or without nickname]

25. Dee Flagg [20 RECORDS, Dorothy?]

26. Richard Gabriel [37 RECORDS]

27. Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm. [NO RECORD]

28. Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California. [19 RECORDS]

29. Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department. [NO RECORD]

30. Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company. [NO RECORD]

31. Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said. [NO RECORD]

32. Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California. [NO RECORD]

33. Yvonne Kennedy [17 RECORDS]

34. Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager. [NO RECORD]

35. Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan. [NO RECORD]

36. Norma Langsteuerle [NO RECORD]

37. Dong Lee (75 RECORDS- lots of variations)

38. Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm. [NO RECORD]

39. Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia. [NO RECORD]

40. Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles. [106 RECORDS ??]

41. Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer. [NO RECORD]

42. Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems. [NO RECORD]

43. Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation. [NO RECORD]

44. Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer. [NO RECORD]

45. John Sammartino [ 7 RECORDS]

46. Diane Simmons [7 RECORDS]

47. George Simmons [759 RECORDS]

48. Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work. [NO RECORD]

49. Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York. [NO RECORD]

50. Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. [5 RECORDS]

51. Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia. [14 RECORDS]

52. Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra. [NO RECORD]

53. John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland. [1 RECORD]

54. Vicki Yancey [1 RECORD]

54. Shuyin Yang [NO RECORD]

55. Yuguag Zheng [NO RECORD]


- 6 Mar 2005 , 20:34 PM

Flight 175 - Public Records Master Death List, SSA
UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175

United Airlines Flight 175, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California, was the second hijacked plane to strike the World Trade Center, plowing into the south tower.

NB : Two pilots, seven flight attendants and 56 passengers were on board. Total = 65

CNN print names of only 56 passengers and crew.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra...5.victims.html

CREW

1. Capt. Victor Saracini, 51, of Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania, was a Navy veteran. He is survived by his wife and two children. [NO RECORD]

2. Michael Horrocks was first officer. [ 1 RECORD, Michael R, state unknown]

3.Robert J. Fangman was a flight attendant. [3 RECORDS, no middle initial , CA, KY, OH]

4. Amy N. Jarret, 28, of North Smithfield, Rhode Island, was a flight attendant. [NO RECORD, with and without initial]

5. Amy R. King was a flight attendant. [NO RECORD - Amy R. King, 59 Amy King ]

6. Kathryn L. Laborie was a flight attendant. [NO RECORD, with and without initial]

7. Alfred G. Marchand of Alamogordo, New Mexico, was a flight attendant. NO RECORD, with or without initial]

8. Michael C. Tarrou was a flight attendant. [NO RECORD, Michael C. , 2 Michael Tarrou, FL, WV]

9. Alicia N. Titus was a flight atteandant. [NO RECORD, with and without initial]

PASSENGERS

10. Alona Avraham, 30, was from Ashdot, Israel. [NOT INCLUDED]

11. Garnet "Ace" Bailey, 53, of Lynnfield, Massachusetts, was director of pro scouting for the Los Angeles Kings hockey team. Bailey was entering his 33rd season as a player or scout in the National Hockey League and his eighth with the Kings. Before joining the Kings, he spent 13 years as a scout for the Edmonton Oilers, a team that won five Stanley Cups during that time. As a player, Bailey spent five years with the Boston Bruins and was a member of Stanley Cup championship teams in 1969-70 and 1971-72. Bailey also spent parts of two seasons each with the Detroit Red Wings and St. Louis Blues, and three years with the Washington Capitals. He is survived by his wife, Katherine, and son, Todd. [ NO RECORD, with or without nick]


12. Mark Bavis, 31, of West Newton, Massachusetts, was entering his second season as an amateur scout for the Los Angeles Kings. A Boston native, he played four years on Boston University's hockey team, where his twin brother, Michael, is an assistant coach. In addition to his twin brother, Bavis is survived by his mother, Mary; two other brothers, Pat and Johnny; and three sisters, Kelly, Mary Ellen and Kathy. The Bavis family lost a brother 15 years ago, and Bavis' father died 10 years ago. [NO RECORD]

13. Graham Berkeley, 37, of Xerox Corp. was from Wellesley, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

14. Touri Bolourchi, 69, was from Beverly Hills, California. [NO RECORD]

15. Klaus Bothe, 31, of Germany was on a business trip with BCT Technology AG's chief executive officer and another executive. Bothe joined the company in 1994 and was its director of development. He is survived by his wife and one child. [NOT INCLUDED]

16. Daniel Brandhorst, of Los Angeles, California, was a lawyer for PriceWaterhouse. [NO RECORD]

17. David Brandhorst, 3, was from Los Angeles. [NO RECORD]

18. John Cahill was from Wellesley, Massachusetts. [41 RECORDS, some unknowns)

19. Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, of Turner Falls, Massachusetts, was staff assistant in the office of information technology at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst. [NO RECORD]

20. John "Jay" Corcoran, 44, of Norwell, Massachusetts, was a merchant marine. NO RECORD John "Jay", 33 RECORDS John Corcoran]

21. Dorothy Dearaujo, 82, was from Long Beach, California. [NO RECORD]

22. Gloria Debarrera [NO RECORD]

23. Lisa Frost, 22, of Rancho Santa Margarita, California, graduated from Boston University this year, with degrees in communications and business hospitality. She is survived by her father, mother and brother. [NO RECORD]

24. Ronald Gamboa, 33, of Los Angeles, California, was a Gap store manager. [NO RECORD]

25. Lynn Goodchild, 25, was from Attleboro, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

26. The Rev. Francis E. Grogan, 76, of Easton, Massachusetts, was a priest at Holy Cross Church in Easton. A veteran of World War II, Grogan served as a parish priest, a chaplain and teacher at Holy Cross schools. [NO RECORD]

27. Carl Hammond, 37, was from Boston, Massachusetts. [1 RECORD]

28. Peter Hanson, 32, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a software salesman. [2 RECORDS, ( MA , unknown)]

29. Susan Hanson, 35, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a student. [NO RECORD]

30. Christine Hanson, 3, was from Groton, Massachusetts. [1 RECORD]

31. Gerald Hardacre [2 RECORDS]

32. Eric Hartono [NO RECORD]

33. James E. Hayden, 47, of Westford, Massachusetts, was the chief financial officer of Netegrity Inc. Hayden is survived by his wife, Gail, and their two children. [NO RECORD James E Hayden, 8 RECORDS for James Hayden (MA)]

34. Herbert Homer,48, of Milford, Massachusetts, worked for Raytheon Co. [ NO RECORD]

35. Robert Jalbert, 61, of Swampscott, Massachusetts, was a salesman. [2 RECORDS (MA)]

36. Ralph Kershaw, 52, of Manchester-by-the-Sea, Massachusetts, was a marine surveyor. [1 record]

37. Heinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman and chief executive officer of BCT Technology Ag, of Germany was on a business trip involving contract negotiations with U.S. partners along with two other BCT execs, the company said in a statement. Kimmig studied mechanical engineering in college. After an internship, he became the design manager at Badische Stahl Engineering, and shortly after, he founded BSE Computer-Technologie GmbH, originally a locally operating software company. In 1999, this company became BCT Technology AG. Kimmig is survived by his wife and two children. [not included]

38. Brian Kinney, 29, of Lowell, Massachusetts, was an auditor for PriceWaterhouse Cooper. [NO RECORD]

39. Robert LeBlanc, 70, of Lee, New Hampshire, was a professor emeritus of geography at the University of New Hampshire. After earning his doctorate at the University of Minnesota, LeBlanc joined the University of New Hampshire's faculty in 1963 as a cultural geographer. With a specialty in Canadian studies, he looked at the Franco-American communities in New England's mill towns. He was acting chair and chair of the geography department for nearly 10 years, retiring in 1999. ( 1 RECORD, Robert G LeBlanc]

40. Maclovio "Joe" Lopez Jr., 41, was from Norwalk, California. [1 recorded, inverted Lopez Maclovio]

41. Marianne MacFarlane [42 RECORDS]

42 Louis Neil Mariani, 59, was from Derry, New Hampshire. [NO RECORD?]

43. Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, was from New London, Connecticut. [NO RECORD]

44. Ruth McCourt, 24, was from Westford, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

45. Wolfgang Menzel, 60, of Germany joined BCT Technology AG in 2000 as director of human resources. He is survived by his wife and one child. Menzel had planned to retire in six months. [NOT INCLUDED]

46. Shawn Nassaney, 25, was from Pawtucket, Rhode Island. [NO RECORD]

47. Patrick Quigley, 40, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a partner at PriceWaterhouse Cooper. [NO RECORD]

48. Frederick Rimmele was a physician from Marblehead, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

49. James M. Roux, 42, was from Portland, Maine. [NO RECORD]

50. Jesus Sanchez, 45, was an off-duty flight attendant from Hudson, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

51. Kathleen Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire. [NO RECORD]

52. Robert Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire. [1 RECORD, Robert M. Shearer]

53. Jane Simpkin, 35, was from Wayland, Massachusetts. [NO RECORD]

54. Brian D. Sweeney, 38, was from Barnstable, Massachusetts. [1 RECORD no D, Just Brian Sweeney (MA)]

55. Timothy Ward, 38, of San Diego, California, worked at the Carlsbad, California-based Rubio's Restaurants Inc. A 14-year veteran of the company, he opened its second restaurant in San Diego and most recently worked in the information technology department. [1 RECORD]

56. William Weems of Marblehead, Massachusetts, was a commercial producer. [NO RECORD]


- 6 Mar 2005 , 22:59 PM

Flight 93 - Death Records Public Records SSA Master Death
Before I start I think it's worth pointing out, that I'm not claiming this to be absolute facts, these are the results of querying the names of crew and passengers against the Death Records Public Records SSA Master Death File Database, by name and state combination and where no state is available all states were used.


One other thing, I don't know if this has been noticed before but:

The list I am using is from CNN. It claims that there were 45 on board yet only prints the name of 33? Were there 12 hijackers on board?? And why is there so little information on a lot of the passengers, a simple unverifiable name in most cases.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 93

United Airlines Flight 93, 45 people on board.

CREW

1. Jason Dahl, 43, from Denver, Colorado, was the plane's captain. He had a wife and son. Dahl had a lifelong interest in flying, said his aunt, Maxine Atkinson, of Waterloo, Iowa. [NO RECORD]

2. Leroy Homer, 36, from Marlton, New Jersey, was the first officer on board. He was married and had a daughter. [NO RECORD]

3. Lorraine Bay was a flight attendant. [NO RECORD, all states]

4. Sandra Bradshaw, 38, of Greensboro, North Carolina, was a flight attendant. [NO RECORD]

5. Wanda Green was a flight attendant. (64 RECORDS, all states)

6. CeeCee Lyles of Fort Myers, Florida, was a flight attendant. She reached her husband, Lorne, by cell phone to tell him that she loved him and their children before the plane went down. The couple between them had four children. [NO RECORD CeeCee, Cecelia]

7. Deborah Welsh was a flight attendant. [7 RECORDS, all states]

PASSENGERS

8. Christian Adams [6 RECORDS, all states]

9. Todd Beamer, 32, was from Cranbury, New Jersey. [NO RECORD] :-O

10. Alan Beaven, 48, of Oakland, California, was an environmental lawyer. [NO RECORD]

11. Mark Bingham, 31, of San Francisco owned a public relations firm, the Bingham Group. He called his mother, Alice Hoglan, 15 minutes before the plane crashed and told her that the plane had been taken over by three men who claimed to have a bomb. Hoglan said her son told her that some passengers planned to try to regain control of the plane. "He said, 'I love you very, very much, ' " Hoglan said. [NO RECORD]

12. Deora Bodley, 20, of Santa Clara, California, was a university student. [NO RECORD]

13. Marion Britton [23 RECORDS, all states]

14. Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, of San Ramon, California, was a senior vice president and chief operating officer of Thoratec Corp., a medical research and development company, and the father of three. He made four calls to his wife, Deena, from the plane. Deena Burnett said that her husband told her that one passenger had been stabbed and that "a group of us are going to do something." He also told her that the people on board knew about the attack on the World Trade Center, apparently through other phone calls. [NO RECORD Thomas E Burnett Jr, 14 RECORDS Thomas Burnett (CA)]

15. William Cashman [77 RECORDS, all states)

16. Georgine Corrigan [NO RECORD, all states]

17. Joseph Deluca [241 RECORDS]

18. Patrick Driscoll [64 RECORDS, all states]

19. Edward Felt, 41, was from Matawan, New Jersey. [NO RECORD]

20. Colleen Fraser [1 RECORD Colleen L Fraser (NJ)]

21. Andrew Garcia [68 RECORDS]

22. Jeremy Glick, 31, from West Milford, New Jersey, called his wife, Liz, and in-laws in New York on a cell phone to tell them the plane had been hijacked, Joanne Makely, Glick's mother-in-law, told CNN. Glick said that one of the hijackers "had a red box he said was a bomb, and one had a knife of some nature," Makely said. Glick asked Makely if the reports about the attacks on the World Trade Center were true, and she told him they were. He left the phone for a while, returning to say, "The men voted to attack the terrorists," Makely said. [NO RECORD]

23. Lauren Grandcolas of San Rafael, California, was a sales worker at Good Housekeeping magazine. [NO RECORD]

24. Donald F. Green, 52, was from Greenwich, Connecticut. [NO RECORD Donald F. Green, 4 records Donald Green (CT)]

25. Linda Gronlund [NO RECORD]

26. Richard Guadagno, 38, of Eureka, California, was the manager of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge. [NO RECORD]

27. Toshiya Kuge [NO RECORD]

28. Waleska Martinez [NO RECORD]

29. Nicole Miller [7 RECORDS, varying middle names, (all states, 3 unknown)]

30 Mark Rothenberg [2 RECORDS, Mark D unknown state)]

31. Christine Snyder, 32, was from Kailua, Hawaii. She was an arborist for the Outdoor Circle and was returning from a conference in Washington. She had been married less than a year. [NO RECORD]

32. John Talignani [1 RECORD, (NY)]

33. Honor Wainio [NO RECORD]


- 7 Mar 2005 , 10:54 AM

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Before anyone else wonders why brianv is on this forum, besides that fact that there's not really a reason for him not to be here, let's please remember just a few facts about his record:

1. He was in the earliest people questioning the actual existence of the 9/11 deaths, before Simon or I formally looked into it at 911movement.org — figuratively ahead of most of us by many miles — years before Simon's 'September Clues'

2. He has repeatedly found and pointed out shills before anyone else; you can say it's a problem when he is aggressive toward people who mean well, but credit where it's due; metaphorically, he doesn't "blink" when we have to clear the board of a liar — he helpfully moves on and tries to help us understand what we might have missed about early signs of disingenuous behavior

3. He is essentially the reason Reality Shack and CluesForum.info even exist — encouraging Simon and I to do our own thing and run a forum where there was clearly one lacking — beyond a founding member, practically the founder, though he is shy about admitting this

4. He cuts to the chase, gets to the point, etc. — so I miss him when he periodically gets annoyed and leaves, and I for one don't want him to ever go for good
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Thanks Hoi for explaining the history of brianv. I'd say he's earned a right to be the forum pit bull if he inspired this forum.
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