Satellites : general discussion and musings

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lux wrote:It occurred to me today that I've never seen footage of a rocket actually deploying a satellite at the end of its flight. I've seen lots of footage from cameras allegedly attached to rockets as they take off and rise but I've never seen anything beyond that. I've seen a few animations but no real footage taken as it happens. I want to see how the satellites are actually launched. I mean, does a compartment open up and a big mechanical shoe kick the satellite into space? Do they use an explosive charge to blow them out? I mean, how does the satellite go from being inside the rocket to starting its orbit? It would seem to be the most interesting part of a satellite launch too, especially when a rocket supposedly launches 29 satellites into orbits at once. I'd really like to see how they manage launching 29 precise orbits and at the same time keep them from crashing into one another, etc.

Are they launched all in a long line like ducklings? Side by side? In a big V formation? :huh:

I'd really like to see this! C'mon NASA, put a camera on the nose cone so we can watch the best part of the launch!
I remember having seen [at least a few times] on TV over the years the 'launch' of a satellite from its cabin/compartment in one space programme or other.
The thing that only recently struck me [and only having become better informed due to the comments made by others on this forum] was that one showed a satellite slipping out of its cabin/compartment spinning at great speed on its vertical axis [rather like a spinning top].
In retrospect even if it were on site, how could it have left its launch object stationary whilst it was generating so much momentum.
I've looked for footage of what I am talking about but have had no luck in finding any but if someone is aware of what it is I am on about and can post something I'd be very grateful.
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What you saw ... was it something like this?


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPzUAeWZZY
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Hi lux, unfortunately, no.
The footage I remember seeing is looking at a tube/rocket with a cargo bay out of which comes a spinning 'soda can' with a pointed end ascending [from the perspective of looking at the TV screen].
That's about the only way I can describe it at present.
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^ OK, sounds dramatic. :lol:

Here is how ISS astro-nots launch satellites. They just throw them by hand!


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5HcXnjtICE
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I remember having seen [at least a few times] on TV over the years the 'launch' of a satellite from its cabin/compartment in one space programme or other. The thing that only recently struck me [and only having become better informed due to the comments made by others on this forum] was that one showed a satellite slipping out of its cabin/compartment spinning at great speed on its vertical axis [rather like a spinning top]. In retrospect even if it were on site, how could it have left its launch object stationary whilst it was generating so much momentum. I've looked for footage of what I am talking about but have had no luck in finding any but if someone is aware of what it is I am on about and can post something I'd be very grateful.
I just acquired a copy of a DVD called '7 Days in Space.' 90 minutes of footage from the November 1984 Space Shuttle Discovery mission, according to the packaging.

It shows the deployment of spinning satellites as you describe and a spacewalk satellite retrieval among other things.

I will post some screenshots and clips when I am able to. I wish I could sit down with a few of you and watch this through, it's got tonnes of stuff in it. If anyone can recommend software or give me some tips to help me get started on ripping and converting this and making it available online I would appreciate it.
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There are "space shuttle deployments of satellites" on YouTube. Just search for "satellite deployment" and you'll get them. They are amusing. They just open the cargo bay and the satellite floats up and away.

I was interested in seeing how they supposedly deployed them from rockets, especially 29 of them at once.

It seems to me that a rocket's flight path would have to be awfully precise to launch a satellite so that the satellite's orbit is established correctly. I would love to see how they supposedly do that. Of course, I know that they don't do it at all in reality because it's all fiction but I'd just like to see their representation of it.
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I searched the forum but did not see this rocket launch from August 28th of this year. Forgive me if it was posted and I missed it. This video is laughable! Enjoy!


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL1dEBZ6Vyc

EDIT: I just found a shorter clip of this launch a few pages back. I'll leave it up in case anyone missed it.
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It might be added that, once again, the soundtrack is perfectly continuous when going from one completely different “camera” location to another (at 0:32, at 0:36 and at 0:45). I am not saying the noise level should be entirely different, but a minor transition would be perceptible in real life.
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SATELLITE NUMBERS, COSMIC DEBRIS … AND THE BOMB

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This morning I woke up wondering exactly how many operational, man-made satellites are meant to be hovering /orbiting above us right now. One would expect that institutes such as NASA employing all those smart rocket scientists would get their numbers & math right - and consistently so - at least as far as the amount of these claimed objects orbiting in space is concerned. Amazingly enough, it turns out that this doesn't seem to be the case: the numbers are as whimsical and contradictory as the alleged death tolls of the 9/11 scam. Before I set out to clarify what I’m on about, let us first go to our favorite encyclopedia of knowledge and information – to find out how many man-made satellites have supposedly been launched over the years – IN TOTAL:

The Wickedpedia "SATELLITE" page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite
"About 6,600 satellites have been launched. The latest estimates are that 3,600 remain in orbit. Of those, about 1000 are operational;the rest have lived out their useful lives and are part of the space debris."

Ok, so 6.600 satellites, we are told, have been launched since the Sputnik (the first alleged man-made satellite) back in 1957. Wow… that computes to an average of about ONE SATELLITE LAUNCH EVERY THREE DAYS – during the last 56 years! The space agencies of this planet sure have been incredibly busy this last half-century! Please note that they say that there are - today – “about 1000” OPERATIONAL man-made satellites.

But wait - as you scroll down that very same Wickedpedia page, we can read:
"The SSN tracks objects that are 10 centimeters in diameter or larger; those now orbiting Earth range from satellites weighing several tons to pieces of spent rocket bodies weighing only 10 pounds. About seven percent are operational satellites (i.e. ~560 satellites), the rest are space debris.

Huh? 560 (operational satellites)? Was it not "about 1000" - only a few paragraphs ago? :blink: Well...what's going on here? Are we to believe that 'they' are clueless / unsure about as to the exact number of operational satellites that are supposed to be up there? I mean, hey - there' s a pretty hefty gap between "560" and "about 1000", isn’t there?

THE SPACE JUNK YARD THREAT
As you all surely have heard, we are told that our planet’s space environment has by now turned into an awfully hazardous orbiting junkyard, a high-speed "traffic jam / clusterfuck" of sorts made up of myriads of man-launched bits of garbage flying around all over the place in every direction - at the reckless speed of "17.000mph"! Here’s the recent, gripping story of how a looming satellite collision (“between the FERMI satellite and a Soviet satellite”) was narrowly averted :


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npVgLM7Zd3M

So let’s see if we can find out exactly how many such space debris fragments/bits & pieces are being continuously tracked and monitored – ( for our safety, naturally… lest these satellites crash into each other and onto our heads) - by the SSN - the Space Surveillance Network".That same, above-linked Wickedpedia page tells us that...

"The SSN currently tracks more than 8,000 man-made orbiting objects. The rest have re-entered Earth's atmosphere and disintegrated, or survived re-entry and impacted the Earth."

So, according to the regularly updated Wiki info, the SSN tracks “more than 8000” man-made orbiting objects. Allright. But wait: here’s what we can read on this May1 2013 article at this Science20.com website:

“Of the 17,000 objects currently tracked [by the SSN], only about 7 percent are active satellites.”
http://www.science20.com/news_articles/ ... ons-110860

So does the SSN track “more than 8000” – or “17.000” orbiting objects? Which one is it? Am I missing something here, perhaps? If so, what? Please let me know, folks – and put me out of my painful, non-rocket-scientist ignorance!


FERMI – THE SATELLITE NAMED AFTER THE “FATHER” OF THE ATOM BOMB

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Now, if you were wondering about the above-mentioned “FERMI” satellite – and why it was named after the man whose main claim to fame is to have led the team who purportedly invented the nuclear bomb. Here’s what Wiki ‘explains’:

“FERMI gained its new name in 2008: On 26 Aug 2008, GLAST was renamed the "Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope" in honor of Enrico Fermi, a pioneer in high-energy physics.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_Gamm ... _Telescope

No kidding! Enrico Fermi, “a pioneer in high-energy physics?” Woah, that’s a pretty funny way to put it! And what on Earth has Enrico Fermi - the 'father' of the atom bomb - to do with a Space Telescope? By the way, have you ever wondered how many nuclear warheads are supposedly in existence today around the world? Well, here you go:

“Nine countries together possess more than 17,000 nuclear weapons.”
http://www.icanw.org/the-facts/nuclear-arsenals/

17,000? Hey, that number sounds familiar! So it would seem that we’ve got 17,000 (hidden / invisible ) potential threats hovering above our heads in space (speeding around at 17,000mph) – and 17,000 (hidden / invisible) potential threats placed in underground silos below our butts ! Auggghhh - what a terrifying situation, Ladies and Gentlemen !

I rather prefer to think that it's all an inside joke. <_<
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"How Many Satellites Are Currently In Orbit Video"


positions of satellites around earth: http://www.gearthblog.com/satellites


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfSaztUiw5s

Curioser and curioser... According to the Center for Space Standards and Innovation(Colorado Springs), there are currently just under 3500 operational satellites. Well, that's over three times as much as claimed by Wikipedia ("around 1000 operational satellites") and six times as much as claimed by the SSN /the Space Surveillance Network ("560 operational satellites").

In any case, it is proving quite comically frustrating to try and find out exactly how many working satellites we are supposed to have up there. I warmly welcome any help in establishing the exact figure of currently operational, man-made satellites... surely someone must know for sure the exact figure?


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As for how many orbiting objects being tracked by NASA ( which would include working satellites, defunct satellites, their spent boosters and exploded pieces thereof), we now have a new figure to replace the one cited - only yesterday - in my previous post above ("17.000"):

"In 2011, NASA said 22,000 different objects were being tracked."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_debris
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Uh ... zero?
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SATELLITE DISASTERS by the numbers


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fengyun-1C_debris.jpg
Caption from Wikipedia: "Known orbit planes of Fengyun-1C debris one month after its disintegration by a Chinese interceptor. The white orbit represents the International Space Station."


In spite of this 'clusterflux' of supersonic space junk apparently speeding around in every direction, we are told that - luckily enough - space is pretty spacey & spaced out, so collisions are rare. Only a mere handful of catastrophic space crashes have reportedly taken place throughout cosmic history. I have looked them up for you, dates and all... ;)

I want everyone to learn / memorize them by heart - by next monday. Ok?

11 July 1979
"The damaged-beyond-repair Skylab reentered Earth's atmosphere and disintegrated, with debris striking portions of Western Australia." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab

11 August 1993
"Olympus-1 was hit by a meteor on 11 August 1993."

29 March 2006
"The Russian Express-AM11 communications satellite was struck by an unknown object."

11 January 2007
"A Chinese weather satellite—the FY-1C polar orbit satellite of the Fengyun series was destroyed by a kinetic kill vehicle as part of the controversial Chinese ASAT anti-satellite test."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chine ... ssile_test

11 february 2009 (see video below)
"The first major space crash between an American and a Russian satellite - in the skies of Northern Siberia (Taymyr Peninsula)." NOTE: this alleged collision is reported in the Western press to have happened on February 10, 2009 at 16:56 UTC. However, since the Taymyr Peninsula lies in the UTC+8hours time zone, this means the crash would have occured at 0:56 (local time)on February 11 - not February 10.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_satellite_collision

22 January 2013
A Russian laser-ranging satellite was hit by a piece of debris suspected to be from the Chinese ASAT test of 2007.

11 November 2013
Goce satellite crashes down to earth in what is worryingly known as an 'uncontrolled' re-entry.
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2388069



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o7EKlqCE20


And no, I won't comment on those dates - as they surely must be a case of purely random, accidental happenstance - or simply an innocent joke pulled off by the Ol' Man in the Holy Heavens... Not? <_<

So, again, the question is : how many man-made satellites do you reckon there are in space?

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Those dates are hilarious.

Did you know NASA publishes a magazine devoted to space junk? It's called Orbital Debris Quarterly News and you can find it here.

The current issue features a story about this object ...

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... which they say is a fuel tank from a satellite launch rocket that fell to the ground in Zimbabwe.

Boy, they sure must make these things strong. It doesn't even appear to have a dent. :blink:
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Those Zimbabweans handle their global warming problems the same way they do in Arizona: carrying little handy bottles of mineral water everywhere they go. They just have a different way of carrying them...
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Fascinating. Not the slightest disturbance on the ground underneath it, anywhere? Or did they all lift it together and move it before the photo was taken? Heave! Ho!
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