Apollo 17 anniversary : how will you commemorate it?

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Why would a person in a reduced gravity move upward in slow motion? What is slowing him down as he jumps up?
This is an extremely-good observation. In a reduced-gravity environment, surely it would be easier to reach the top of the jump, therefore if anything, he should be faster on the ascent from, and slower on the return to, the surface.

Equal excursion times for the parabolic movement would suggest partially-neutralised weight, with his mass suspended either by wires or in a fluid.

Do you note that much of the footage in this video is very high quality? That appears to be the posting company's business...digital correction of old film and video...I say this both for information and potential significance.
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icarusinbound wrote:
lux wrote:
Why would a person in a reduced gravity move upward in slow motion? What is slowing him down as he jumps up?
This is an extremely-good observation. In a reduced-gravity environment, surely it would be easier to reach the top of the jump, therefore if anything, he should be faster on the ascent from, and slower on the return to, the surface.
Exactly. This slo-mo thing is present in nearly all the Apollo footage though it's especially apparent in the above clip. In my opinion that makes it the most obvious evidence of fakery of all. It's so omni-present in the Apollo footage that it gets overlooked ... until you think about it.
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lux wrote:
Exactly. This slo-mo thing is present in nearly all the Apollo footage though it's especially apparent in the above clip. In my opinion that makes it the most obvious evidence of fakery of all. It's so omni-present in the Apollo footage that it gets overlooked ... until you think about it.
In essence, the movement displayed by NASA astronauts fits into the following categories:

(1) Ungainly on the ground, under Earth gravity (suited, getting off the crew-bus, ascending launch stage). Occasional hint of 'moon bounce' in recently-referenced footage, speed of movement vertical/horizontal, and limb flexing all fairly realistic.

(2) Ungainly on the moon, under one-eigth gravity. Lots of slo-mo as referenced in above posts, coupled with improbably 'suspended' float-falls. Horizontal movement appears as slow as vertical, and the impression is of slowed footage and assisted movement.

(3) Impossibly-rapid movements during outer-space EVA, suited and under zero gravity. Pivoting and flipping without the application of grip and acrobatic muscular transfer. Note that early space EVAs (notably, the highly-odd Apollo 17 external film-can servicing done outside the CM pre-seperation for re-entry and also early Shuttle footage) appears to require *no* tethering, just an air/heat umbillical, and seems to show that astronauts can control their movement fearlessly and by the application of...no obvious bio-mechanical effort.

See this YouTube video for an excellent summary of all these different movement modes...
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkOXheE_aR0 , including the hugely-important Apollo 17 final Apollo moon footage (shot from the Lunar Rover under...telecontrol). Yes, the framing and zoom and subject-tracking worked as flawlessly, and as lacking in real-time lag, as the left-behind shots of the end of the moon mission.

There is a special subset of Mode 3 astro-movement....and that's space EVA with apparently-paralysed legs. Some shots inconsistently show legs moving, and and that sometimes seems to contribute to movement of the body as a whole, but the majority of footage that I've seen has the legs doing nothing. Astros just float like Superman doing the breast-stroke, most of the time.

Mode (4) is left by me to the end. That's suitless, inside eg the CM (in the re-mastered Apollo shots of A17), or totally-suitless, on Skylab/ISS. There is a much-closer similarity in gravitation affects that are Zero-G and 8th-G, than there is Zero-G and 1-G. Why do flailing, flapping, tool-applying external EVAs in earth orbit or moon return path seem to allow fast/undamped/Earth-speed movements?? Yet inside that alloy tin can (or, in fact, on the Moon surface) there's an instant return to damped Apollo-speed strangeness. Why??

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[edit] What ever happend about these EVA jet-pack/back-pack huge frames tha later astros allegedly required, when the earlier suited+booted astros were able to auto-kinetically 'think' themselves abot the place?[/edit)
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I would think that a person actually moving in a substantially reduced gravity environment would move like nothing we are accustomed to seeing. It would not appear as simply slow-motion and it would also not be as people move in zero gravity simulators like the "vomit comet." It would appear as something else entirely. Upward movements (jumping, etc) would be faster than normal while falling movements would appear slower than normal. It would be a unique and unmistakable pattern of movements. At the time of the Apollo missions however they lacked the technology to show this so they opted for the slo-mo approach.

Oddly however (if you subscribe to the Kubrick/Apollo connection) in Kubrick's "2001" film the one scene that shows humans walking on the moon (the scene where the Moon monolith is shown) has the astronauts walking more or less normally, without a distinct slow-motion effect. If Kubrick was involved with Apollo then I suspect this was done intentionally to enforce the idea that the Apollo footage was "real" and the "2001" footage was "just a movie."
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