What is Gravity?

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What is Gravity?

Postby hoi.polloi on June 23rd, 2013, 3:10 am

Perhaps the "Cold of Space" thread should just be renamed: "What is Gravity?"

After all, if there's anything so immense and unavoidable it's the effect of being pushed to the ground at about 9.8 Newtons from every point on, under and (apparently) mostly "above" Earth. If it is anything at all, what is it?

There has been some discussion in the ongoing 'Cold of Space and our Universe that isn't' topic: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1424

The "Cold of Space/Universe That Isn't" thread is for discussing alleged structure of the universe.
This "What is Gravity?" thread is for specifically gravity's role in that structure.

They are so closely linked as to be almost indistinguishable but I don't want the 'Cold of Space' thread to get too crowded with a single gravity problem. Perhaps they can be merged or re-organized later.

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What is Gravity?

Flat Earth Theorists believe it is simply caused by mutual acceleration of the entire Earth, which is physically flat, and constantly going faster and faster "up".

Many Relativists and Electric Universe proponents believe it is a sort of electromagnetic force that perhaps can be explained by things called strings and/or superstrings.

Recent user 'sceppy' wants to use his odd metaphors and rambling speech to explain to us what gravity is and how we've all gotten it wrong for so long. Just teasing sceppy, we're open to real science here. Please go on. Gravity is just atmospheric pressure? That seems a bit outlandish and like troll bait. Can you explain, while minimizing the wacky metaphors, how your conception of gravity and pressure works? :mellow:
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby Flabbergasted on June 23rd, 2013, 4:28 am

Sceppy, if you are going to explain the effect of gravity between the Earth and the Moon as a result of atmospheric pressure, and the subsistence of an atmosphere between a gravity-less planet and a virtually endless vacuum subject to free gas expansion, it better be good!
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby resolution on June 23rd, 2013, 4:51 am

Has anyone actually answered this question? Newton devised a calculation describing the action of gravity upon an object, but that's as far as he went to my knowledge.
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby arc300 on June 23rd, 2013, 5:36 am

Whether, he's right or wrong, there's nothing like a living toupee taking on the establishment:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWeYJg9Oxs

This guy isn't a fan of Electric Universe, he even has a video called EU Poppycock, but I'm sure his ideas would sit quite well within the broader EU framework.

But still, Sceppy, surely it isn't atmospheric pressure that is keeping the atmosphere attached to the earth? What say you?
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby hoi.polloi on June 23rd, 2013, 7:46 am

Too bad the muffled bootleg video of a classroom setting is that of Richard A. Muller, the very same propagandist extraordinaire responsible for brainwashing hundreds (if not thousands?) of students with his NASA physics, as well as his books and writings on dinosaurs, terrorism and so on. Written about here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1599&hilit=richard+muller

Perhaps I'm just confusing him for another professor Richard Muller? But I doubt it.

Interestingly, this video already re-connects to our apparently inescapable universe thread that has more 'gravity' than other topics, if you will. Why? Because the video mentions Mach and since a Machian Framework is code for Geocentrist science (or so I'm told) we are right back where we started again. (please see Universe thread)

It's an interesting idea, however. And since I'm presently of the opinion that the Earth might not actually be spinning within this Machian Framework, I guess I shouldn't complain from a scientific point of view. But the stricter scientist in me demands a bit more credibility and less stoogy characters, and of course to test test test any hypotheses I'm at all tempted to cling to.
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby arc300 on June 23rd, 2013, 10:04 am

hoi.polloi wrote:Too bad the muffled bootleg video of a classroom setting is that of Richard A. Muller, the very same propagandist extraordinaire responsible for brainwashing hundreds (if not thousands?) of students with his NASA physics, as well as his books and writings on dinosaurs, terrorism and so on. Written about here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1599&hilit=richard+muller

Perhaps I'm just confusing him for another professor Richard Muller? But I doubt it.

Interestingly, this video already re-connects to our apparently inescapable universe thread that has more 'gravity' than other topics, if you will. Why? Because the video mentions Mach and since a Machian Framework is code for Geocentrist science (or so I'm told) we are right back where we started again. (please see Universe thread)

It's an interesting idea, however. And since I'm presently of the opinion that the Earth might not actually be spinning within this Machian Framework, I guess I shouldn't complain from a scientific point of view. But the stricter scientist in me demands a bit more credibility and less stoogy characters, and of course to test test test any hypotheses I'm at all tempted to cling to.


No, it appears it is the same Muller. A warmista! And the talking toupee! I know, I know, our bullshit detectors should be frying, esp. in the case of the warmista. Yet I have still to find any explanation of gravity that even comes close to giving a physical (ie, REAL) explanation of gravitational attraction, one which doesn't resort to the esoteric, abstract, irrational (unable to be grasped by the mind) mathematical arse ejections that we are so accustomed to from NASA and the like. Those two guys may be shills, but a good shill should be mixing truth to bullshit at, I don't know, 80/20? Anyway, come on, Sceppy!
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby arc300 on June 23rd, 2013, 10:06 am

PS. Thanks for the heads up about Muller, Hoi.
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby hoi.polloi on June 23rd, 2013, 10:37 am

I know what you mean. It's so simple compared to the mathematical abstractions.

Particles pull toward one another. That does describe gravity. At least, the problem of the question of what gravity seems to do. :blink:

But perhaps I missed where he explains how distance creating entanglements would prevent smaller bodies from flying immediately to one another faster than larger bodies. Seems to go against common sense. I think the distance is a more likely explanation instead of some kind of overly complex entanglements of "rope". But I don't know the dope. I've no hope of becoming the pope. Nope.
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby sceppy on June 23rd, 2013, 11:24 am

Ok, I will try and prove why gravity is nothing more than atmospheric pressure, because I know there are some really good logical thinkers in this forum, probably the best of the lot from what I've seen, so here goes.

Gravity is a fictional force used to describe all mannerisms of events inside and outside of earth, as we all know... and it apparently keeps our feet on the ground so we don't go flying off into space and what not.
The truth is, it's atmospheric pressure that keeps us and everything else in it's place, coupled with the density or mass/weight of whatever object.
This is going to take getting your head around, so bear with me on this. "I" hand on heart, absolutely promise you all I am 100% serious in what I say.
Molecules at sea level are compressed and agitated, just as all molecules are , all the way to the top of the earth.
Everything you see in the night sky is inside the earth, because the earth we live on, is like living on half of a huge orange or half of a huge ball. This part is liquids and solids all the way to the bottom as in molecules in various states of compression, making them smaller and packing in more of them into a smaller area=density.

Above sea level, we are into gases, which are less compressed molecules and even less compressed molecules, all the way to the top which gives us our other half of the orange or ball, as in a dome window of ice.
Sounds crazy doesn't it?
As gases rise to the top, they decompress and become less agitated , until they reach the top where they become more expanded and larger and docile, until they freeze, as in nitrogen.
We have a mixture of gases all the way around the dome and up the dome, in various forms, creating ice at the edges up until the very top which is nitrogen thick, as in, ice.
They freeze because they basically stop being agitated and simply do not move at all, or to look at it a better way, they achieve absolute zero temperature as we know it.
Outside of the dome, is a vacuum but not in the sense of anything 'sucking' because vacuums do not suck anything, they are simply devoid of any matter, or as in earth's situation, a vacuum is evacuating air molecules from a container or whatever.
Anything coming from under the ground we live on, by ejection, will always want to equalise itself into the area it came from or for want of a better term. Everything coming up, will be forced back down with pressure against their mass.
For instance: if we dig down and bring up ore for metals...we are only bringing up the ore that was on it's way down over time and we heat that up to turn it into mass on earth which has arrested it's decent even further due to that...but it still wants to be back where it came from, because its denser state does not belong on top, so the air pressure surrounds it and squashes it and breaks it down, over time, obviously... until it turns it into powder or oxidisation, so that it can seep or force its way back through the ground.
So basically , everything we are and everything we see, are all under pressure and this is your gravity.

I fully expect to be questioned on this and I welcome it.
I haven't got the earth fully worked out but I'm piecing the jigsaw together very fast, so let's get critical on this and you have my utmost sincerity that what I'm saying is due to me piecing the jigsaw together and not any attempt at trolling.

Any questions you have, let me deal with them one by one, so we can all get a clear understanding of each, as we go, if that's ok.
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby sceppy on June 23rd, 2013, 11:32 am

hoi.polloi wrote:I know what you mean. It's so simple compared to the mathematical abstractions.

Particles pull toward one another. That does describe gravity. At least, the problem of the question of what gravity seems to do. :blink:

But perhaps I missed where he explains how distance creating entanglements would prevent smaller bodies from flying immediately to one another faster than larger bodies. Seems to go against common sense. I think the distance is a more likely explanation instead of some kind of overly complex entanglements of "rope". But I don't know the dope. I've no hope of becoming the pope. Nope.
Don't think of particles as pulling towards each other. Think of them all 'pushing' onto each other or in football terms...crowds compressing each other in a surge and yet all wanting to stop the crush by becoming agitated because they are trying to expand their arms to push those away that are crushing them.
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby Heiwa on June 23rd, 2013, 11:43 am

sceppy wrote:Any questions you have, let me deal with them one by one, so we can all get a clear understanding of each, as we go, if that's ok.

1. What is a force?
2. What is energy?
Please reply either to 1 first or 2 second, or 1 second and 2 first, if you are confused. OK?
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby sceppy on June 23rd, 2013, 12:10 pm

Heiwa wrote:
sceppy wrote:Any questions you have, let me deal with them one by one, so we can all get a clear understanding of each, as we go, if that's ok.

1. What is a force?
2. What is energy?
Please reply either to 1 first or 2 second, or 1 second and 2 first, if you are confused. OK?

1.Force, is the weight of molecules (for instance) exerting their own weight onto those below them.
2. Energy is the strength of molecules resisting the force of molecules upon them.
If you need this clarifying more, then please give me scenarios and I will be glad to answer.
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby scud on June 23rd, 2013, 12:26 pm

Hmmm...This just has to be one of those ‘Rupert Sheldrake’ occurrences...
http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dm8-OpO9oQ (well worth your time).

I’ve been following the rocketry in a vacuum thread with great interest and literally last night, whilst researching for something worthwhile to add I accidentally stumbled upon this rather colourful character... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abu2lN3Jq98

What?! Two plumb lines dropped down a mine shaft 4,250 feet deep showed a divergence at the weighted end rather than the expected convergence??! Couldn’t be so, could it? Well it appears that the experiment and results were indeed real... Here’s a copy of the original report from the Daily Mining Gazette, October 8, 1901 where the first paragraph states... “At the Tamarack mine there has recently been conducted an experiment of the deepest interest to the engineering world. To the test made there was nothing new in principle, but the actual facts are such as to make it unique. In fact, it stands alone as an undertaking in mining engineering that may lead to certain new conclusions as to the laws of gravitation.” http://blogs.mtu.edu/physics/files/2000 ... bLines.pdf

Naturally, ‘Lord Steven Christ’ <_< has concluded that this means that we must be living on the inside of the Earth where our environment is actually con-caved rather than con-vexed (yeah...what we see is all just an illusion created by a ‘glass dome’ at the Karman line... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFXqIVXvrkg ).

I don’t think that I’m going to give the good Lord’s theories too much credence at the moment (particularly the space shuttle etc ‘crashing through the glass dome’ :lol: ) but it is interesting to note that the Tamarack mine experiment showed a triangulation that would converge at a point equal to what we most certainly know by simple observation to be Earth’s radius, except that this ‘centre of gravity‘ is above our heads rather than below.
Also, as with various other experiments that were made possible by man’s technological advances during this era, to confirm what was preached as fact but stood without evidence (I’m thinking Michelson - Morley, Sagnac and ‘Airey’s failure’ to ‘prove’ Earth's orbital speed and rotation) the Tamarack results do seem to have been suppressed and gone un-repeated.
Here’s ‘The Lord’s‘ link to the only attempted debunking of Tamarack, where I agree with him as to it being largely unfounded conjecture... http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/tamarack.htm


P.S Hoi. Very sorry that I have not got back to your questions over on the geocentric thread, hopefully I’ll find the time that they deserve in the not too distant.
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby Heiwa on June 23rd, 2013, 12:54 pm

sceppy wrote:
Heiwa wrote:
sceppy wrote:Any questions you have, let me deal with them one by one, so we can all get a clear understanding of each, as we go, if that's ok.

1. What is a force?
2. What is energy?
Please reply either to 1 first or 2 second, or 1 second and 2 first, if you are confused. OK?

1.Force, is the weight of molecules (for instance) exerting their own weight onto those below them.
2. Energy is the strength of molecules resisting the force of molecules upon them.
If you need this clarifying more, then please give me scenarios and I will be glad to answer.


Thanks. More questions:

3. What is a weight of molecules producing force?
4. What is strength producing energy?

5. Do you watch TV?
6. Can you read?
7. Do you exist?
8. Religion - any?
9. Your mother - she likes you?
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Re: What is Gravity?

Postby hoi.polloi on June 23rd, 2013, 1:16 pm

To summarize the last few posts:

Gravity is a pushing force that exudes from above us rather than pulls from beneath, according to Jesus.

Meanwhile, sceppy has decided the Earth is a layered dome.

Oh man. Bless freedom of speech. There could be tidbits of truth in this pudding but I'm afraid it's a bit too thick for me to dive in just yet.


scud wrote:P.S Hoi. Very sorry that I have not got back to your questions over on the geocentric thread, hopefully I’ll find the time that they deserve in the not too distant.


Thank you. Your contributions typically leave me scratching my head and searching for my true beliefs. And I mean that as a compliment.
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