Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby CitronBleu on June 2nd, 2017, 3:00 pm

Live video feed with Soyuz landing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFukuRl5CCM

Where is the urgency in the Russian operation room : empty computer areas, the only few people chatting nonchalantly, no one staring at a screen ...

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with images of our dear leader Macron who is also viewing the landing from the presidential palace.

This French Thomas Pasquet guy has been heavily promoted through the media, with almost daily announcements of his time on the ISS.
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby PianoRacer on June 4th, 2017, 6:50 pm

I saw this exhibit at my local "science" museum, which supposedly allowed the viewer to observe and track the ISS among other objects that are allegedly orbiting Earth:

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The sign next to the exhibit was interesting to say the least. I couldn't help but laugh at how in-your-face it was:

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It's like they're not even trying any more, or perhaps just laughing at all the gullible rubes. :rolleyes:

The company has a website where if you are so inclined you can sign up for their newsletter which they lightheartedly refer to as "The All-Seeing Eye":

https://www.elumenati.com/

The images on their "about us" page are... interesting.

https://www.elumenati.com/about-us/

Just thought I'd share my ]experience - I found it quite "eluminating".
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby russellkanning on June 5th, 2017, 12:32 am

interesting company there...

I also agree that the space docking crews act like this is no big deal.
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby nonhocapito on June 6th, 2017, 8:02 pm

Vladislaw » 02 Jun 2017, 07:50 wrote:Simon, Hoi this bottom picture contains something strange. I have allocated this strange artefact in yellow box. Pay attention to the lens. What or who is reflected there?? :o

Original video source from here NASA GoPro Spacewalk with Terry Virts [720p HD] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ysPOJepOw&t=36m5s start watching at 36m5s

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I'm not Simon or Hoi but in my humble opinion it does seem to be the reflection of someone without a space suit of sorts, just moving around in the comfort of a studio.

Notice the youtube comments to that video, and how a comment like this:
"That is so obviously lit up Earth projection . That's why it's only a bright light when it's not a direct view of Earth like you see near the beginning . Nasa lies . Earth is flat "
is just there to discredit more pertinent observations in regards to what appears to be a major mistake in the fakery process.

I'm also interested on how they managed to get a GoPro camera to work in space, seeing that

"In hot temperatures, the HD HERO cameras will automatically shut off if operational temperatures exceed 125 F. "


We are told temperatures around the ISS in the sun (as this seem to be the case) are around 250 F.

Before you ask, the gopro must be located outside the suit, since not only we see shots of the actornaut himself, but we are also told that

The camera used during the space-walk works much like the kind of GoPro you can buy here on Earth, only with a one-touch power up and record function. "This makes it much easier to execute while wearing large gloves,” http://time.com/3819293/gopro-spacewalk-astronauts/


If it's operated with the gloves, it means it is staying independently outside of the suit... So how can it resist such temperatures? And how can the footage even have sound??

This is like the Apollo/Hasselblad joke all over again.
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby russellkanning on June 12th, 2017, 2:45 am

gopros that are fit for space .... yay :)
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby kickstones on August 22nd, 2017, 2:02 pm

Here's the latest artistic impressions from NASA....

Transit of Space Station During the 2017 Total Solar Eclipse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaaGOhbzmDw


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaaGOhbzmDw

This composite image, made from seven frames, shows the International Space Station, with a crew of six onboard, as it transits the Sun at roughly five miles per second during a partial solar eclipse, Monday, Aug. 21, 2017 near Banner, Wyoming. Onboard as part of Expedition 52 are: NASA astronauts Peggy Whitson, Jack Fischer, and Randy Bresnik; Russian cosmonauts Fyodor Yurchikhin and Sergey Ryazanskiy; and ESA (European Space Agency) astronaut Paolo Nespoli. A total solar eclipse swept across a narrow portion of the contiguous United States from Lincoln Beach, Oregon to Charleston, South Carolina. A partial solar eclipse was visible across the entire North American continent along with parts of South America, Africa, and Europe.

Photo Credit: NASA/Joel Kowsky


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https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/iss- ... ar-eclipse


The Eclipse 2017 Umbra Viewed from Space

As millions of people across the United States experienced a total eclipse as the umbra, or moon’s shadow passed over them, only six people witnessed the umbra from space. Viewing the eclipse from orbit were NASA’s Randy Bresnik, Jack Fischer and Peggy Whitson, ESA (European Space Agency’s) Paolo Nespoli, and Roscosmos’ Commander Fyodor Yurchikhin and Sergey Ryazanskiy. The space station crossed the path of the eclipse three times as it orbited above the continental United States at an altitude of 250 miles.

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https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/file ... 056222.jpg


From a million miles out in space, NASA’s Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera (EPIC) captured 12 natural color images of the moon’s shadow crossing over North America on Aug. 21, 2017. EPIC is aboard NOAA’s Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR), where it photographs the full sunlit side of Earth every day, giving it a unique view of total solar eclipses. EPIC normally takes about 20 to 22 images of Earth per day, so this animation appears to speed up the progression of the eclipse.

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https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/godd ... ss-america
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby kickstones on August 22nd, 2017, 2:52 pm

It maybe meaningless but here's how they created the 3rd photograph from the above post, the information was obtained from FotoForensics meta data analysis of which the below is a small selection , usually most of this information gets wiped out but for some reason it was left on the uploaded NASA image.

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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby dblitz on August 22nd, 2017, 6:11 pm

Why isn't the moon visible before and after the eclipse?
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby molodyets on August 29th, 2017, 2:54 pm

dblitz » August 22nd, 2017, 6:11 pm wrote:Why isn't the moon visible before and after the eclipse?


Here's the answer to your question. The atmosphere between us and the moon is much brighter than the moon, so we see that instead, especially since no part of the moon is being reflected towards us.

Here's another question. Since the moon is supposedly 2,000 miles in diameter, shouldn't its shadow be at least that long? I live near Portland Oregon and watched the 95% eclipse with my kids. Pretty amazing!

The following cute illustration by NASA is very misleading. Although they admit it's not to scale, they neglect to show the true situation. At the supposed distance of the sun, its rays are pretty much parallel and the moon shadow would be cast nearly in a straight line from its edges.

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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby agraposo on August 30th, 2017, 12:12 am

molodyets » 29 Aug 2017, 15:54 wrote:Here's another question. Since the moon is supposedly 2,000 miles in diameter, shouldn't its shadow be at least that long?

As seen in the diagram, the umbra is diminishing as it approaches the Earth, so its size can't be 2,000 miles when the shadow reaches the Earth. What's the problem?

molodyets » 29 Aug 2017, 15:54 wrote:At the supposed distance of the sun, its rays are pretty much parallel and the moon shadow would be cast nearly in a straight line from its edges.

But the rays are not parallel, that's why the umbra is cone-shaped. Have you calculated at what distance from the moon is situated the cone vertex?
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby hoi.polloi on August 30th, 2017, 1:51 am

It is interesting that the rays would almost be parallel given official numbers. Here is a very simple diagram I made about the distances a year or so back.

Moon distance from Earth
moon_perpendicular_.GIF


The Moon and Earth are the top shape. The Sun is the bottom shape.
moon_distance_from_sun.GIF


However, given the strength of the unimpeded light and the fact that the Sun is much wider than the Moon, the shadow should be slightly smaller than the Moon's diameter. I'm guessing NASA's image is supposed to be a 3D computer generated calculation based on official dimensions, but I agree it looks odd and unexpected.

But if we say the maximum angle at which the Sun's light gets around the Moon is 0.15°, then by the time it touches Earth 380,000 km away, that still creeps almost 1000 km into the circle shadow.

Side 1: 380,000 opposite angle: 89.85°
Side 2: 380,001.302 opposite angle: 90°
Side 3: 994.84 opposite angle: 0.15°

By these numbers, NASA's image plays by its own rule book well enough. The fact that these things add up so well during the eclipse does not yet (to me) help explain the amazing angle discrepancies of the Moon's lighting in broad daylight.

Man, we've been answering each other's questions for a while and everyone has a different one, but mine is my favorite since it's part of a "closed discussion" on CluesForum, and perhaps that will have to be the end of this chain letter for now. B)
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby molodyets on August 30th, 2017, 2:47 pm

hoi.polloi » August 30th, 2017, 1:51 am wrote:It is interesting that the rays would almost be parallel given official numbers.


Before posting, I just did a quick (hasty) calculation on the angle of the light rays coming from the edge of the sun versus the center (at our distance), but didn't realize the angle was in radians so of course, it didn't reduce the umbra much. Thanks for reposting your calculations.
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby Nick Java on August 31st, 2017, 6:20 am

I, too, expected to see a much sharper shadow edge just based on the proximity of the Sun and Earth, assuming that at that distance the sun would act like a point source.
Here's a pseudo scientific rendering of a solar eclipse. It's pseudo because all the geometry is on the same plane with no consideration for angularity of orbit. Everything is in line and proportional. I had to create a scale model because my earth-based software couldn't handle the astronomical numbers. Created in 3ds Max 2016 using Mental Ray. The camera has a 40 mm lens @ 62,400 km to Earth center. I realized after that I should have set up the camera at the stated distance of "a million miles out in space" so I created another camera 1.6M km from Earth and had to use a 10,000 mm lens to achieve similar framing.

Solar System Dimensions [source: Wikipedia]:
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My guess is they had to tweak the levels of the shadow to make it more dramatic/noticeable.
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Quote from this video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkYVr_Wr6k] at 1:55 showing an eclipse from March 2016: "although the view from EPIC is once every two hours"; yet we see a composite of 13 frames to track the moon traversing the planet while Australia moves approximately 1/6th rotation, or a 4 hour window (not 1.5-2.65 hours). So the EPIC must have a "burst mode" for special circumstances because 2 x 13 = 26. :P
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And, according to Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_August_21,_2017], "The event's shadow began to cover land on the Oregon coast as a partial eclipse at 4:05 p.m. UTC (9:05 a.m. PDT), with the total eclipse beginning there at 5:16 p.m. UTC (10:16 a.m. PDT); the total eclipse's land coverage ended along the South Carolina coast at about 6:44 p.m. UTC"
4:05 p.m. - 6:44 p.m. = 2 hours 39 minutes
5:16 p.m. - 6:44 p.m. = 1 hours 28 minutes
Horizontal Width: 2,511 miles from Perth directly east to Sydney.
Horizontal Width: 2,680 miles - North America

All these numbers are making my head spin :)
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby hoi.polloi on August 31st, 2017, 8:21 am

Nick Java, I think you just proved that "NASA’s Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera" could just be a not-so-epic computer on Earth. :P
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

Postby agraposo on September 1st, 2017, 10:08 am

Nick Java » 31 Aug 2017, 07:20 wrote:Quote from this video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkYVr_Wr6k] at 1:55 showing an eclipse from March 2016: "although the view from EPIC is once every two hours"; yet we see a composite of 13 frames to track the moon traversing the planet while Australia moves approximately 1/6th rotation, or a 4 hour window (not 1.5-2.65 hours). So the EPIC must have a "burst mode" for special circumstances because 2 x 13 = 26. :P
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Do you think that NASA would be so stupid?

According to NOAA,

"The time cadence will be no faster than 10 spectral band images every hour."

Look at the end of this document:
https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/sites/defau ... _sheet.pdf

That same error ("once every two hours") is repeated in the official NASA Goddard's YouTube video (see description).


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrP6QfbC2g

So NASA is laughing at us, constantly. Why, in the first place, do you try to debunk a video taken from a camera 1,000,000 miles away from the Earth? You should first ask yourself these questions:

- how did the spacecraft arrive there? (L1 Lagrangian point)
- how does the spacecraft circuitry is shielded from space radiation?
- how does the signal from the spacecraft reach the Earth?

Yes, NASA has the answers, if you trust them.

Anyway, all your simple trigonometric/euclidean calculations are wrong. As everybody knows, in outer space the space-time is curved, the light bends and the time dilates, according to relativity. :lol:
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