We definitely should keep speculating about all the methods, Simon, you're right. Thanks for the reminder that it doesn't take much to fool people, and not all methods are known. Good check.
But it does take some
effort to fool people! Magicians demand particular theatrical environments for particular tricks, and they would not want the chance of a side audience member seeing the magic cigarette glowing in their back pocket, so to speak. So we know this is a closed studio environment of some kind.
I feel they are liable to make a pretty dumb mistake any time
, including today. I am not prepared to assume people now are smarter than they were in the 50's. Just different traditions, expectations and cultures. Different "blind spots", mostly, no? I could be wrong. "Wires" would be my default answer for a lot of older Hollywood special effects, the likes of which are seen in the cheap-looking human simulation of a cartoon Gilligan's Island
. And "wires" would still be my default answer now. But they are doing a little
more than that, these days, showing people outside their enviro-suits.
K, I think you are onto something there. Harnesses seem like they would definitely be used in many cases. And in some shots it's embarrassing how obvious it is, with their underwear regions looking tighter than a survival pack, as it were. I am not seeing the exact thing here, that I've seen in other videos where it's obvious. But the guys do look like they could be sitting in, uh, swings. I don't think this is CGI models, it doesn't have the appearance of such, so I think they are manipulating the human body in some way like they do in superhero movies. Then compositing, which causes some of the compositing errors we see.You will believe a man can weightlessly shit in space!
I also think they definitely would
bother to go back and touch up the image bit by bit to get rid of evidence of methods. Wires or bubbles or something else, take your pick.
I still wonder about the "slow clap" and the appearance of "currents". I could be imagining it. Watch for yourself. Might they be wired up in some way? Yeah! Is it expensive and annoying to edit out these things? Yes, we can be sure they do their damnedest to avoid any need for touch ups.
My question is, do you think the vomit comet causes any slowing of motion? That is, is there only
a weightlessness effect? Or is there also a greater effort to motion, as there is with gyroscopic effects or simply being underwater? My expectation would be that vomit comet actions would look fairly natural once one was trained to be used to it. Unfortunately, no matter how fast they rocket at progressively longer angles, there is
a time limit from Karman line to ocean level and though these folks definitely look sick to their stomachs at times, I just am not sure we'd be getting all these other weird effects. Though, we are just speculating, so who knows? I would say I am thinking a chance it's underwater and a chance it's vomit comet (when it's not straight up greenscreen wire work). That's my sense. They might swap techniques for different shots. Your video is persuasive. Good work.
---Merely some speculation and light guesswork here ...
Remember Alvin and the Chipmunks
? They would sing at half speed and double it to give the artificial pitch that's still timed perfectly to Bagdonovich's voice singing at normal speed.
I would say things like the "flute trick", and the slightly
mismatched/awkward mouth movement, "high speed bubbles" seen in the video Simon references here on page 82: viewtopic.php?p=2398592#p2398592
... are really because they've been artistically matching an underwater effect to behavior of normal expected things. They've sped up the video to make up for slow movements in water (and they may be upside down as well, as you've suggested, K).
There may be give aways like "slow clap" when they are cupping or pooling water. Their blinking also looks ... interesting. Is it normal to be so squinty above water? And to blink so frequently and for long periods? Is that because of studio lighting? Something else? We should try slowing down the video about 25%-75% and seeing if it matches underwater movements and mannerisms.
They might be spending 2 minutes underwater (some are said to be able to last for 10 minutes with breathing exercises, perhaps longer with drugs or special training or hidden breathing apparati) and the video sped up some. Some of the behaviors of things are a bit 'frantic' and I think it's because they are told to move at a certain mentally estimated
speed the actors must regulate for themselves, and they won't always get it perfectly right. But editors can use the best "takes" and speed those up. We can be sure there is a point they say, "It's good enough!" and just release it.
With chromakey/greenscreen special effects, we see the backgrounds. Now, is there any particular color we never see the astronauts wearing before they are cut out and pasted on a background, and the compositing software occasionally fucks up their hands and layers, etc.? I would suspect we won't see a lot of neon green edges on their clothing. Maybe an Italian flag has a strong green, but that is different from common chromakey green and it can be cured with a simple mask around the flag most of the time. Mostly, the concern would be edges, as it's always been. Hair was always very tricky. Because hair is tricky in chromakey, they might be using a special technique for it. However, technology in chromakeying hair has apparently gotten much better in recent years.
I don't doubt they have the budget for vomit comet effects. Not in the least. But remember all the signs tell us they love saving money and attempting efficiency. A pool gives you endless "outer space" time.
I am not sure about JonLeBon's comment on your video: "Easiest way to undermine the ISS is not to argue with the 'footage', but to ask people what other evidence they have that 'space' even exists in the first place. Movies and government. Case closed."
There are many methods we have to undoing this nonsense. Different people understand the problem in different ways. Some can immediately go to "movies and government" but a lot of people (let's not exclude ourselves, after all!) needed to awaken to the tricks and see them exposed in some way. Our questioning the magic tricks is one of the ways that helps people. Maybe it's not
the easiest, fine. But without asking these questions and speculating together we won't come up with solutions/answers that later we can cite because they were worth the effort of uncovering. And I certainly don't mind admitting I don't know. When we are ashamed to ask questions, we are really pickling ourselves.