ENDEAVOUR - the 30-year Space Shuttle hoax

If NASA faked the moon landings, does the agency have any credibility at all? Was the Space Shuttle program also a hoax? Is the International Space Station another one? Do not dismiss these hypotheses offhand. Check out our wider NASA research and make up your own mind about it all.
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Re: Satellites : general discussion and musings

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Flabbergasted wrote:
sceppy wrote:17 plus miles would render anyone viewing the launches as incapable of determining size and shape of whatever lifts off from that launch pad.
Flabbergasted wrote:Or perhaps the local weather is slightly manipulated or treated with obscurants to make it too rainy, misty or hazy to see a space shuttle at a distance of 28 km. The visibility will of course be perfect on the TV news. People will rush home to watch TV instead of wasting their time standing about in the fog in Titusville. Where have I seen this before?
Yes: this makes a lot of sense. It's a perfect ploy to disguise a ballistic missile launch.
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rusty:
Here's something to ponder.
It's a wild shot in the dark but what the hell.
What if they attach a folded mildly inflated shuttle shaped helium balloon inside a container, to a ballistic missile, that inflates as it expands, the higher it goes and is jettisoned as the ballistic missile starts to arc downwards... then this thing keeps on expanding and gaining height, creating the illusion of a real shuttle, until it gets so high (where no one can see) before it goes pop.
Maybe that's a bit too crazy but you can never rule out the shenanigans of these people. :D
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simonshack wrote:Image
Why wouldn't people choose to watch from Cocoa or Port St. John, both much closer than Titusville?
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simonshack wrote:*
Heiwa wrote in this other forum thread:
Heiwa wrote:It seems we all agree that the French Ariane 5 is the best rocket today


Heiwa,

I'm scratching my head over a question which I hope you can help clarify for me:

The Ariane apparently weighs about 760.000kg. It's stated total power at take-off is 13MN (Mega Newton), which - as far as I can gather - is equivalent to 13.000.000 Watts - or 0.013 Giga Watts (GW).
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_5

Here's the Space Shuttle's stated power at takeoff: 11.000.000.000 Watts, or 11 Giga Watts (GW).
http://www.ftexploring.com/energy/power_1.html

Ok, so the Shuttle weighed about 3 times as much (2million kg) as the ARIANE.
But how can the ARIANE lift off with 846 times less power than the Shuttle?
Surely, I must be missing something here, so please help me out!

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Here are some handy converters:
http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/EN/ ... r/power/c/
http://www.unitconversion.org/unit_converter/force.html
http://www.convertworld.com/en/force/
It is easy to mix up force - unit Newton or N - with energy - unit Joule or J.
To move anything, e.g. a ship, you need a force, e.g. produced by a propeller, if it is a motor ship. The propeller force accelerates the ship as per Newton, the famous Englishman that first explained why apples drop. Water friction and wave resistance evidently decelerates the ship.
To produce that (propeller) force, you need energy, e.g. from an engine fitted in the ship that rotates the propeller.
One Joule (J) of energy can produce a force of one Newton (N) moving anything, e.g. the ship, the distance of one meter (m).
In order to run the engine you spray liquid fuel into a cylinder with a piston, the fuel burns and produces hot gases, etc, etc.
Same principles apply to a rocket and its engine - only a rocket doesn't require a propeller. Just blow out the hot gases in vacuum and the rocket moves due to the force applied.
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Heiwa:
There are "two" action/reactions going on with the ship.
Fuel and air mix inside the ship is one and we know an idling ship goes nowhere in neutral.
The other is when the propeller forces water "away" from the ship which creates a surge back towards that ship and pushes it.
The friction is minimized due to the ships bow, slicing through the water and creating a lower pressure at the side as it pushes the density of the water away, which catches up to the ship at the back, creating a push back to fill the void that the ship was in and so on and so on.
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"Just blow out the hot gases in vacuum and the rocket moves due to the force applied."

ON WHAT?
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brianv wrote:"Just blow out the hot gases in vacuum and the rocket moves due to the force applied."

ON WHAT?
On the rocket. :lol: :D :rolleyes:

Or its combustion chamber. No vacuum there. :blink:

:wacko:

:mellow:

:lol:
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NUTCASE alert!
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4. NASA CAUSEWAY VIEWING AREA - The viewing area along the NASA causeway is the closest public viewing site available. This viewing area is an open field with standing room only and is approximately six miles from the space shuttle launch pads located directly on the banks of the Banana River. This is an outdoor viewing site with no seating or covered viewing. You are free to bring blankets and collapsible camping/umbrella-style folding chairs that can be carried in shoulder bags, but flat folding chairs, lawn chairs and large beach umbrellas are not permitted. Regular hand-held umbrellas and umbrella-style strollers are permitted. We recommend you bring insect repellant and sunscreen. Don’t forget your camera; a shuttle launch is the ultimate photo opportunity. Some people bring binoculars, telescopes and tripods, cameras and long-range lenses. Because sound travels slower than light, you will see the shuttle launch before you hear it, so watch!
So 6 miles is the closest viewing area with a $61 ! ticket (plus tax)

http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/LTT.aspx
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/space ... ckets.aspx

And here is a video of STS125 from the Nasa Causeway


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NeOvN_w3JI

Lots more Causeway videos here:

https://www.google.com/search?q=NASA+Ca ... 36&bih=619

A list of public "free" viewing sites:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/abo ... uttle.html
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A guide to watching the Shuttle launch and land:

http://www.launchphotography.com/Shuttl ... ewing.html
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Starbucked wrote: And here is a video of STS125 from the Nasa Causeway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NeOvN_w3JI
Starbucked, thanks a lot for this find! :)


Another fine addition to my collection of (amateurishly animated) "amateur Space Shuttle launch videos!"

Watch the entire horizon drift dramatically to the left (then back again)in relation to the foreground,
while 'cameraman' appears to remain pretty much stationary:
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This one goes straight into my old 2011 post, titled:
"AMATEUR" VIDEOS OF SHUTTLE LAUNCHES http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2354285

Not fully convincing? Can it be 'cameraman drift'? Here's a shorter loop - with horizon 'slipping' to the right:
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Can you see the 'continental drift' taking place in front of your eyes? :P

So yes, NASA has even bothered producing (cheap) fake videos of "people watching the launches"...sigh! :rolleyes:
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simonshack wrote:
Starbucked wrote: And here is a video of STS125 from the Nasa Causeway
Starbucked, thanks a lot for this find! :)


Another fine addition to my collection of (amateurishly animated) "amateur Space Shuttle launch videos!"

(Watch the entire horizon drift dramatically to the left in relation to the foreground,
while 'cameraman' appears to remain pretty much stationary):

This one goes straight into my old 2011 post, titled:
"AMATEUR" VIDEOS OF SHUTTLE LAUNCHES http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2354285

So yes, NASA has even bothered producing fake videos of people watching the launches...sigh! :rolleyes:
What makes me laugh about this video, is the countdown clock as well. I mean, look at the massive...I mean the really big... oh sod it. Look at the small crowd of people gathered for such an occasion. ^_^
I reckon that, if I put out a few posters telling people I was going to set of a cheap firework rocket on the beach, I'd get a better turn out than this. :D
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Heiwa wrote:
Evidently a rocket, e.g. my favourite rocket Ariane 5, has a mass.

ARIANE5 "amateur video"

Here's a supposed French amateur video of your favourite rocket, Heiwa :


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S0neeOQV_U

We are told that ESA's ARIANE5 reaches - 3 minutes after launch - an altitude of 100km, and a speed of 2km/s(7200km/h). That is, about ten times the altitude (and eight times the top speed) of a commercial airliner.
http://www.capcomespace.net/dossiers/es ... tiques.htm
http://la-miseenorbitedunsatellite.e-mo ... ement.html


Now, this short, 3min "amateur video" has plenty of issues - but let us assume, for the sake of simplicity, that it's just as real and authentic as the air that we breathe. This would mean that what we're looking at here is a smokeplume reaching...
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Well, I'm afraid to burst your bubble: your favourite 'spacegoing' rocket is a fraud. Hope this doesn't come as too much of a disappointment to you, Heiwa. Stay strong ! Of course, you are fully entitled to believe that your favourite rocket keeps polluting our beloved LEO with a steady flow of senseless, expensive satellite junk. Likewise, I am free - and so is anyone else - to believe that this is not the case, given the now overwhelming and steadily growing evidence to the contrary.
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We even get the obligatory flock of birds at 0:55.
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I love Ariane Acme rockets too :wub:
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