OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

[Unleashed]

You two are such cards. Both of you asking how I knew it was created (probably by one of you), just today. Or maybe ole Haakon's ears were burning.

I'm not telling you. And the other people on this board won't tell you how either. It's just we see the game.

[Byfroken]

You two are such cards. Both of you asking how I knew it was created (probably by one of you), just today. Or maybe ole Haakon's ears were burning.

I'm not telling you. And the other people on this board won't tell you how either. It's just we see the game.

The only thing you saw in the link was a different person ;-)

Try again.
This time use the norwegian google.

[Byfroken]

Dear All,

Do I understand right?
Families of supposed victims taking a guided tour on the Utoya island?
This must be some morbid joke...
If the shooting was real, do you think such thing could happen???

I was the one answering the question about that....
I was asked if they were guided around on the island when the next of kin was there and the survivors, and I said yes. The police and Red Cross showed the next of Kin where their loved ones died.

Have I used a wrong word since you find it like a morbid joke?
Or misunderstood something?
Doesnt to guide someone mean to show direction/following to a place...?

What would the right word be like when they are following the people to different spots on the island to show the parents where their child died?

(aw.... I wish my english was better when trying to answer you all in here... Please keep it in mind when reading my answers)


A guided tour as for tourists will never happen on Utøya.



Byfroken

[Makkonen]

Hi,

My friends son who I have been refering to is one of the survivors.
As far as the information from the doctors at the hospital, Breivik used bullets that spread inside of the body as you say, yes. Dumdum-bullets is a word for it, I think - if I remember correctly without checking.

Byfroken

Who were the doctors? Was Colin Poole one of them?

Who were the doctors?
The doctors working at the emergency-room at Ullevål sykehus where the hardest wounded were brought.

Byfroken

So far, from the medical professionals, only Colin Poole of the Ringerike hospital has stated publicly that Breivik used exploding bullets. But you say that the Ullevål sykehus doctors also figured out Breivik used exploding bullets. Why didn't the top brass of Ullevål feel the need to go public with this discovery to give (additional) credence to Colin Poole's statement/opinion?

Also, why do you think it is I can hardly find any imagery of Colin Poole, a person with such a prestigious status, "head of surgery"?

This is the only image I found from the official site, and even then I had to print screen it from a pdf (http://www.vestreviken.no/fagfolk/samha ... 0_nr_2.pdf):

[Unleashed]

You two are such cards. Both of you asking how I knew it was created (probably by one of you)

Well, I did certainly not create it. And I asked because I could not see any creation date. But if you won't tell, then I can only assume you don't really know.

Woof, woof. Guess what? I am an amateur graphologist, too. As well as armchair detective.
HA!

[simonshack]

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Ok, folks

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And to respond to the most sensible and relevant question posted here today...

Dear All,

Do I understand right?
Families of supposed victims taking a guided tour on the Utoya island?
This must be some morbid joke...
If the shooting was real, do you think such thing could happen???

No, dear Warriorhun. No way. It is pure nonsense - and the very idea of such a 'Slaughter Island Tour' being offered to by the Norwegian government for the 'benefit' of the mourning relatives is plain silly - and a very morbid joke indeed.

[nonhocapito]

OK, I have unlocked this topic, as I have made changes to the permissions that make this thread inaccessible to newbies that haven't posted at least 10 posts in other areas of the cluesforum. (More details on the changes applied can be found here: http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2358122#p2358122)

I wanted for Simon to get back on this and overview the changes before unlocking this thread, but since everything has been explained and the changes double checked by yours truly, maybe we can give this baby a test run. There'll be time to close the topic again later if troubles arise. In the next few days I won't be able to be on the forum much or at all so until I'm around today it's better if we test this thing.

I think 10 posts are more than enough for us experienced users to recognize whether someone is a troll or not, at least with the low caliber of trolls we have been having on this thread. However the limit can be extended if we decide so.

I haven't had the chance to participate to the Oslo thread very recently, so I'm not going to clean the fodder left by trolls in the last 4 or 5 pages. Hopefully other admins will find the time to do it.

A warning to all "newbie" users: don't start now to post useless posts just to get to 10. This will get you banned very quickly. Also don't start to post about this topic in the chatbox or elsewhere. If a thread is closed to you, it is closed. What you have now is a chance for you to join other discussions about media fakery that might interest you. Of course, your first post still have to be in this thread: http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=838

p.s. 100+ pages.1500+ posts. An absolute record... I think soon we will have to consider splitting this thread into more areas of interests (vicsims, digital manipulation and so forth) to bring some clarity into it. Boy it is going to be a tough job...

[bostonterrierowner]

OK, I have unlocked this topic, as I have made changes to the permissions that make this thread inaccessible to newbies that haven't posted at least 10 posts in other areas of the cluesforum. (More details on the changes applied can be found here: http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2358122#p2358122)

I wanted for Simon to get back on this and overview the changes before unlocking this thread, but since everything has been explained and the changes double checked by yours truly, maybe we can give this baby a test run. There'll be time to close the topic again later if troubles arise. In the next few days I won't be able to be on the forum much or at all so until I'm around today it's better if we test this thing.

I think 10 posts are more than enough for us experienced users to recognize whether someone is a troll or not, at least with the low caliber of trolls we have been having on this thread. However the limit can be extended if we decide so.

I haven't had the chance to participate to the Oslo thread very recently, so I'm not going to clean the fodder left by trolls in the last 4 or 5 pages. Maybe other admins will find the time to do it.

A warning to all "newbie" users: don't start now to post useless posts just to get to 10. This will get you banned very quickly. Also don't start to post about this topic in the chatbox or elsewhere. If a thread is closed to you, it is closed. What you have now is a chance for you to join other discussions about media fakery that might interest you. Of course, your first post still have to be in this thread: http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=838

p.s. 100+ pages.1500+ posts. An absolute record... I think soon we will have to consider splitting this thread into more areas of interests (vicsims, digital manipulation and so forth) to bring some clarity into it. Boy it is going to be a tough job...

Great idea NoHo ,

This thread is getting out of control , just imagine a bigger , future PsyOp in a country larger and politically more relevant than Norway We need to be ready for a giant troll-fest and prepare accordingly ...My gut tells me it will happen soon

p.s.

I dont know if you noticed my request for some Aldo Moro's biography ' s recommendation forwarded to You in a proper thread but in case it was missed I repeat it here

[Mudkipz]

I've read the whole thread and have been paying particular attention to the flurry of passionate Norwegians who have been joining lately. I like to think that pattern recognition is a strong suit of mine and if I'm correct they are in their own retarded way helping the research into the media hoax.

Patterns of troll activity:

1. Join, ignore introduction rule, act sympathetic to media fakery to some degree.
2. Find out where the majour holes are. (i.e. reading GTKYV, realising who needs padding out and having a web history created)
3. Pointing researchers towards this 'new evidence'and accusing them of being amateurs for not finding them.

When someone is lying or attempting to create a fake persona you will always be able to spot them if you can spot a lack or shallowness of affect in speach, the same is true for the written word if you are observant enough. I find 90% of the trolls to be devoid of personality of any kind, their soullesness leaks through their keyboard.

One thing the trolls have become perfect at over the last few years is not disimilar to scambaiting, the practice of replying to Nigerian scam e-mails, convincing them you will send them money and collecting 'trophies'. These 'trophies' are usually photos of scammers holding 'security codes'on pieces of paper that say things like "IMA TWAT". All of this is done by creating a fake persona and then baiting with semi-real information and the lure of money.
The trolls here are carrying out a similar sort of technique, dangling the promise of some evidence (i.e. "my friends son was on the island...") but they NEVER come through with anything tangible. What they are getting better at now though is the process of dragging people along, although nobody here is convinced it may be enough to convince a layman.

Perhaps the most frustrating thing that they have achieved succesfully is to create an atmosphere of mistrust, on that they have done a good job.

I need to see if i can find an old newspaper i had from the day they took Anders-sim back to the island and scan the image they used of him, it was great, he consisted of around 14 pixels. the retarded irony is that there were far better pictures all over the newspapers that day.

[Unleashed]

Mudkipz,
I couldn't agree with you more. Since posting GTKYV was a gamble in the sense that yes, it helps us to see that indeed the people we are told were victims are like the facades in old West movie sets.
You see what looks like a whole town until you walk around the back and find it's just a wall with 2X4s holding it up. But, it shows them where they needed to pad out a profile.

It also points out that these are not just outraged Norwegian citizens and bereaved family and friends joining, but people who are on mop up detail.

I also agree that the choice of words and timing of them are also by design to attempt to control the content here. I have no experience using any photograpic software programs, and in that regard, am only able to use my eyes to look at the evidence pointed out by others. My sole contribution is in the area of research from online data. An evolving skill I am learning and have learned prior to joining here, used previously in real murder cases that I felt were being whitewashed. Yes, in today's world, even murderers use FB! And in other, high profile media events.

But, for the moment, I intend to let the focus resettle on photograpic manipulations being employed.

[Makkonen]

My tribute to Colin...

The Problem(s) With Colin Poole:


Colin’s certainly got some ”head surgery” done on him!



For a health professional, Colin isn't all that jazzed about dental hygiene…



Oh Colin, I’m sorry, but I just don’t think that we can be together. You’re a bozo-looking reptile with bad teeth. May be if… OK, if you promise to get dental surgery and to use solarium also on your lower cheeks and jaw, then maybe we could… maybe we could just… make it work.



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Credits

• Pic 1: color curves & sharpening filter
• Pic 2: cropped, scaled up, color levels
• Pic 3: master lightness & saturation, color levels, sharpening filter

And yes, Colin does only have a tiny amount of blackness in "his" pupils; not only that, but the pupils resemble more reptilian slits. A quick glance and he doesn't look that bad of a job, but on closer inspection he's as bad as the rest of the sims.

[MartinL]

One question for you...
Do you know what word "filter" can sound like when not talking 100% correct/clear norwegian?

Byfroken

PLEASE tell me you're joking??

Let me be the second person to say; Please tell me you are joking!?

So the guy asked for blankets for the cold and scared kids and you all supposed that he said FITTER, as in CUNTS? Are you for real?

In Swedish its pronounced FILTAR, which is far removed from the "assumptions" of your degenerated filthy minds.

Ali Esbati is a sneaky snake, and gives a very credible socialistic impression when speaking to the Norwegian socialists.
Some of his facebook-pictures give away his real ethnic/ideologic loyality though.
I don't trust the guy for 2 seconds. Hell, he even shows up on fellow tribesmember Amy Goodman's show!

Anyway, right before this whole masonic rose ritual was initiated, the Norwegian Labour Party was in a shitstorm because they had manage to stop the publication of a book by a KGB detractor which was supposed to be published in Great Britain. The book contains information about existing members of the Norwegian elite who still is on the payroll of their marxist overlords. There was a huge outrage about it. The notion that our Beloved Leader Jens Stoltenberg has the codeword "Steklov" in the KGB-archives is not a positive one for the establishment.

Whatever happened in Oslo and Utøya, there can be no doubt that this event is being used politically to introduce draconian legislation in Norway on the one hand, while whitewashing all previous political crimes perpetrated on the Norwegian population on the other hand.

03.07.2011, "norwegian" newspaper Dagbladet reports:
"Hvis det er slik at folk i topp-posisjoner har jobbet mot norske interesser, og at det lukter et snev av svik, må man legge alt annet til side" - Representative Ivar Kristiansen, from the party Høyre (Right).

Translation:
"If people in top positions have worked against Norwegian interests, and we smell a stinch of treason, we need to put all other things aside"

Regarding the publication being stopped, NUPI-advisor Helge Lurås stated:
"I'm not surprised if the motives for stopping the book was to protect certain (single) individuals"

You can read these throught the translate-button at the top of the articles:
Theres a small group that is protecting each other: http://www.folkets.info/2011/det-er-en- ... hverandre/ What have they been trying to hide: http://www.folkets.info/2011/hva-er-det ... -a-skjule/ Labour Party stopped book exposing Norwegian KBG-contacts http://www.folkets.info/2011/arbeiderpa ... ner-norge/ Stoltenberg, codename Steklov: http://www.folkets.info/2011/kodenavn-% ... lov%C2%BB/

Brennpunkt documentary on NRK in the year 2000:
"The prime ministers office and the surveillance-service of the police late night verified that Stoltenberg is Steklov"

Arbeiderpartiet, Høyre and Kripos recently forced through surveillance of all electronic communication in Norway, through EU's insane project named "Datalagringsdirektivet" which will introduce us to the orwellian Project Indect in due time. 80% of pollers answered NO when asked if they wanted this directive implemented in Norwegian law, yet, the ruling powers in Norway forced it through - although it was unconstitutional.

That all happened in the Old Norway. Now we are living in grief-stricken New Norway, and all political crimes have been washed away by a wave of sympathy for the ruling party and their associates - even though AUF are against most government sponsored wars and exploitation.

[simonshack]

Martin,

Will you please read my post addressed to you on page 60 of this thread and respond to it?

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p2357166


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Also, I have these extra questions now:

4. Do you still believe that '69' persons were really killed on that island? By a Mossad death squad, perhaps? Or who do you think killed them?
5. How do you explain the initial death toll of "at least 85 dead on Utøya" (as reported on the world newsmedia for over three days)? Any idea how such a gross, absurd death-count error occured?

Please respond to my 5 questions without any undue digressions. Thanks.

[MartinL]

Martin,

Will you please read my post addressed to you on page 60 of this thread and respond to it?

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p2357166

Thanks!

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Also, I have these questions now:

1: What is the name of your friend?
2: What is the name of his deceased 20-year-old female family member?
3: Why did you not mention their names in your article?
4. Do you believe the 69 kids were really killed on that island? By a Mossad death squad, perhaps? Or who do you think killed them? (if you believe the victims are real).
5. How do you explain the initial death toll of "at least 85 dead" (as reported on the world newsmedia for over three days)? Any idea how such a gross mistake occured?

1. Anders M. is the guy I was in Trondheim with when this happened on 22/7. He was informed about his cousins death a few days later after she had first been reported missing. The question remains; Can Mr. Mathisen trust his family 100%? The answer is of course; He can only trust himself, just as I can only trust myself.
2. The name was mentioned by user Anders Mathisen in the Israel post. She was 18 years old, not 20 as I mistakenly reported.
3. Good question. Several people in my network have told me they have lost friends or relatives, and I assumed them to be speaking the truth. Article is now revised however.
4. Good question. I have no idea how many was killed. It was odd how the number was under 10 people killed at the Island, until the next morning when the media informed the population of the huge number that had grown tenfolds overnight.
5. Actually the initial death toll was very low at the Island until the morning of the 23rd of July when it exploded in the media. Then Jens Stoltenbergs friend for the last 30 years, newly appointed police director Øystein Mæland announced the huge death toll, which was later (strangely!) reduced by the same guy (he has a history of falsifying membership lists, he is no police man, but a psyhologist)

I am not buying the bogus stories in the media. I know our government is decietful, murderous and contains pathological liars.
I am not buying the "grief" of the norwegian establishment. I've seen that look on our prime minister before, and it's not benevolent.
Even though I am having trouble making 100% sense of the technicalities of this event, its obvious that the response from media and government have very been much prepared in advance. The propaganda has been ongoing 24/7 regarding 22/7. It's being used to further break down the will of the rather resiliant norweigan population (twice we voted NO to EU membership!). It's being abused as a political tool to promote multiculturalism, protection of (certain) "poor minorities", stifling of free-speech, introduction of draconian laws, villyfication of white concious europeans, strengthening the stranglehold of the world government through breaking down national sovereignity and introducing "One (World) love" and removing unwanted political opposition - just as the Oklahoma city bombing and so many other similar events were used for the same purpose.

Thanks for worrying about me btw. This whole terror-event has been such a fucked up ordeal from the very beginning. From the moment I heard about it on the radio I knew what the results would be. And it pissed me off and put me off balance for a couple of days. Only the perpetrators of international crime prosper from terrorism. I am deeply saddened by those of my fellow countrymen are not able to understand this simple fact. Instead they unquestionably give away their culture and constitution because of this vile excersise in mass hypnosis.

Ps. I am on skype every day, but I haven't seen any of the cluespeople there in a long time.
Any honest truthseeker may add me and say hi. My nick is: wearechangen

[Unleashed]

Martin,

Did Anders M. ever give you the name of his cousin's daughter?