daddie_o wrote:Here was a nice catch by Lift the Veil (aka Nathan Stolpman) of a glitch in whatever video editing algorithm they used for one of the Istanbul videos. He doesn't understand video editing (and neither do I), but he assumes it's an artifact of the hoax (as do I). Perhaps Simon or others can weigh in on what this is.
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvhjgW0i8RI
By the way, I just want to say that I saw someone in another thread saying that Lift the Veil is disinfo. I actually disagree with that assessment, for what it's worth. In any case the video is worth watching.
*All* the disinfo players of the new generation (pass me the term) we have seen so far share some common traits. One of them is that they don't like writing on forums: they prefer making "viral" videos. The reason is simple: on video nobody can question their statements. Things are virtually impossible to discuss because they are not black on white to be evaluated, but flow quickly away.
Whenever I see people making videos instead of actually discussing and confronting their ideas by writing them down, I immediately become suspicious. And so should you.
(And before someone raises the argument, what makes September Clues incredibly different, is not only the quality and depth of the work, but also that it comes with this forum.)
Furthermore, in this video in particular the observations made by this person are all attitude. All he is telling us is that the stories are contradictory: I fully agree, but this is something that could be dismissed as bad journalism. To emancipate people from the hypnosis of media we need more transparency on HOW THE MANIPULATION WORKS.
Also, I am quite surprised by the completely dismissive theory he puts forward in regards to the "video of a video" technique. Here's what he says:
"there's a technique to this... I'll give you secret on it. It's so that the media can report on it, and there's no way anybody would know the source because it's somebody taking a... video [insert attitude here] of a video. So you'd have to go too many steps down, you'll have to find the person who took the video and then... [logic uncertainty] who knows where the video they were recording came from, and there's be absolutely no way to find the source for it."
This is why videos don't work. If I write down the above lines, you can immediately see how they the logic is flawed and how the message being expressed is void. But in the video the attitude (or like with the "chemtrails" videos, the scary music) carries you through the most flimsy arguments.
The secret of this "technique" has already been discussed in this thread. It's not about covering the source.
1) there are not "too many steps": the steps are just two and could be walked rather easily.
2) This is presented as CCTV footage, so we already know the source. The source is the freaking airport.
Deliberate or not, what you are witnessing here is simple misdirection: so that you don't consciously pick up on the real reason why we have a "video of a video". The real reason is to lower the quality of the image so that an informed assessment on the authenticity is impossible.
After giving us his "secret" he also adds:
"I don't know what camera footage they're using... could be of anything. It's disturbing, because it looks like bombs blowing up and stuff".
Now that's a weird statement which simply makes things more confusing without any reason, implying these bombs might really have exploded, but somewhere else.
As to the "cloning" that happens on the footage (at around minute 15:22), it certainly raises a few questions, and I will not defend it as legit: but I'm afraid it could be explained away as a glitch in the compression layers (if this makes any sense, I am not an expert).
In other words, it might be one of those cases where a disinfo player will throw you a bone (because they do need to give you something to gain credit), knowing well there's no meat on it.
Anyway a good find and we can judge it (without the attitude of a commentator in the way) here:
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9God77NRoo
here's the cloning effect: