Titanic

[hoi.polloi]

That's great stuff, actually. Following your line of thought -- though I would hate to get too deep into this before we even establish whether the ships existed or not, let's play -- given the Apollo connection and the eventual way that this Titanic project may have led to the success of the Apollo hoaxes later (and we can probably watch historic documents tell us the tale of boat engine companies becoming jet engine companies and eventually aerospace companies), it only makes sense that this Titanic story would be a "signal" that the job of masonic "Empire" was being passed from Britain to the USA.

Apollo/"Titan" sun god literally buried/hidden/sunk to the public (but not in real life) would indicate Titanic is a false light source aka trickery and falseness - while, if it was switched with Olympia - and didn't sink - to those "in the know", the sun god was still floating and doing well. Or even if Titanic simply never was, it would still mean an elite would know about the "true god" and the public would receive the "false god". Thus, if sun worshippers they are, the state of Apollo would be falseness for the public but truth for an elite managing these affairs, while in a heralded "golden age" that they look forward to, Apollo would eventually mean truth and light for everyone. Or something.

Anyhow, just speculation still and we could probably never know their convoluted motives for hoaxing great numbers of people, but intriguing stuff to think about.

[bostonterrierowner]

I have been trying to find some logic behind these chaotic "world affairs" for many years now .

We might be in a "Titanic" moment right now , on the verge of switching to another source of energy , dropping oil.

Hence the chaos in the middle east , gulf "oil spill" and all these fake TV events.

Oil must be associated with chaos and the notion that humanity only suffers because of it . It must be replaced enev if it means millions of victims in wars , crime , declining living standards , austerity and so on.

Thats the reason behind Georgia Stones , Tesla , Nuke/Fokushima Hoax and other bullshit - predictive programming

Its time to switch the herd off the oil


Sad but might be true...

[warriorhun]

Dear All,

I do not want to off the topic here, but I was wondering: just when exactly faking a non-existent reality with faked events started in the history of humanity?
Of course, faking photos may have started the day after photography was invented, faking motion-films a day after motion-film was invented. But that is the technological background only.
Was it always like this, and did it only became more effective and technologically more feasible nowdays, with TV and globalisation and all, so it can have a more decisive significance on the minds of the masses? Just wondering...

[hoi.polloi]

I imagine that 9/11 wasn't some random out-of-the-blue event devised for the 21st century. More likely, the system of human organizations managing hoaxes through secret meetings and communications has been in place for some time.

In the public, it is known as "spies" and "intrigue" and "military" and "propaganda" and other things that sound serious and scary but the sad truth is that deception is probably the normal name of the game of being alive and human and bored - and it's not all that special at all. It's entertainment to trick people. As Simon has alleged earlier, we have evolved with the ability to use language for veracity and for deception. Both can be advantageous to our lives, but once we have the life we want they are both used for entertainment.

I imagine that hoaxing large numbers of people - actually, as many people as you can possibly hoax while making the truth all the more a delicious secret for those you are close to - is an instinct that has been with us for millions of years.

The use of technological means for controlling the lies has probably been with us for 300,000 years or more, since humans first started developing ever-more elaborate tools to do various tasks. You can use a pair of scissors to make art, or conduct business or to stab someone in the toe. The tools are not as important as the will to conduct them with good or ill intention.

As recently as medieval times, we know that the "King's Announcements" about evil enemies abroad have been pretty dubious, even as they intermarry and trade women with the royalties of those same "enemies". So it's another case of patriarchal socialism for the rich, dog-eat-dog capitalism and needless wars for the poor.

In the case of the Titanic, I get the sense that it is just one of the many conducted stories that have been carefully used to manipulate the larger classes into thinking themselves very small and helpless.

I think the conspiracy theory that the Titanic was "swapped" for the Olympic is distracting, and if the ship line is a hoax the conspiracy is obviously there to make the ships seem more prominent and real. I don't know if the Titanic is entirely fake, but it looks very dubious and the footage around it feels very odd and overly dramatic, so from my perspective it is at least a highly manipulated and steered set of stories for the entertainment of the power-hungry.

Also, its timeliness with World War I and the advance of industry - and industrial capitalism - to create more imperial slaughters of sovereign people is apt.

It is difficult for us to think of them concentrating so much time and energy on a hoax like the Titanic, but we have shown time and again that they are already hard at work doing so for 7/7 and 9/11 and the phony war on terror. If the propaganda hoaxing system existed for the NASA program and the Nazi program - as it evidently did - we can assume it goes back infinitely to times and events long forgotten or distorted. Titanic may have been "the hoax" of that time, just as Marx and the whole gang of scoundrels was gearing up to come up with the "communism" mindgame.

As technology for lies progresses, so is the average person equipped with objects and tricks and tools that entertain them and make their lives more convenient. Thus, we might presume that the advances in technology have actually made people subconsciously less hateful of the lies - more in love with them, actually - because on a large, cultural-memory level, the more we accept the lies the more toys we get. A sort of exponentially inflating drug dealing Santa Claus is our consumerist God.

The more we endorse industry, the quicker our fat people get fat.

Probably nature used to keep such people in check. After a certain point, an insidious early man could only raise so much cattle and horde so many women before it became difficult to keep loyalty. Now, his servants (us) can be numbed, drugged, entertained and satiated for cheap and the "power" class sits on an ever-higher mountain of crap.

It's quite a joke because the best things in life like peaceful quiet, real food, a loyal band of friends and oodles of idle time can always be ours. We fuck ourselves over when we slave away for something "more" and the people in power know this. To say that conspiracies exist merely for entertainment of the rich is much wiser than saying conspiracies exist for any other reason. They are extremely delightful to the people behind them. That is why they work. Jokes are extremely unifying concepts.

[warriorhun]

Dear hoi.polloi,

I enjoyed your comment very much.
As I said, I do not want to off the Titanic topic, but your comment triggered a thought in me.
Yes, the big and mighty were fucking with the perception of reality of the ant-like masses since cavemen times.
It's the past.
On this site, we are dealing with past events, too, although our reaction time to that "past" is shortened, because of technology: for example, we reacted to Oslo bombing on the same day.
To predict the future is impossible.
BUT. Is it impossible to predict a future devised by other humans for us and kept in secret? We seem to catch up to the big picture, predict NWO and such. Is it possible to predict future faked events?
I do not know: perhaps analysing the ongoing false-flag/faked events, we may see patterns or paths? For example, when they said on TV that "Al Qaeda" promised to retaliate with nuclear bomb if Osama gets killed or captured, I thought he will be killed or captured (faked, of course) in the foreseeable future, and it happened. I predicted the "Crescent of Democracy" will reach Syria, and was thinking about Libya too, and the fake revolutions started in these places, too, right on cue.
And, right now, as we comment, there are people who are devising and preparing the next faked/false flag event. I'm so curious what it will be.
Wonder what you think of it...

Back to Titanic: the Titanic-story reminds me strongly to the story of the WTC-jumpers. One imagines himself in the place of the peoples who are there, wonders what one would do, and one feels the fear, and the happiness that one is not there. I had a tear in my eye at the end of the Titanic film, I have to admit, and liked the red-haired girl. DiCaprio is a good actor too, he was good in Blood Diamond, too.

[hoi.polloi]

Industry keeps "advancing" through weaponry and war and industry-led hoaxes. The age of the Titanic Hoax heralded in new communication cables and sunk coal power somewhat. The Hindenburg had it in for hydrogen. The Nuke Hoax privatizes and protects mining and nuclear technologies. The BP oil spill seems to signal they don't like the oil power now. 9/11 was used to push more security measures and communications equipment. etc. etc.

Probably they will continue to push us away from old power systems and towards new ones - as they have used every previous hoax for. Dramas will increasingly revolve around the need to "save babies" and "reduce suffering" through turning people into cyborgs and selling us our own bodies.

[nonhocapito]

I think the conspiracy theory that the Titanic was "swapped" for the Olympic is distracting, and if the ship line is a hoax the conspiracy is obviously there to make the ships seem more prominent and real. I don't know if the Titanic is entirely fake, but it looks very dubious and the footage around it feels very odd and overly dramatic, so from my perspective it is at least a highly manipulated and steered set of stories for the entertainment of the power-hungry.

This is very much possible, and it stands to show how once again fakery cannot come without some false conspiracy theory to lead the curious away. It's a double package.

At a certain moment when we talked in Frascati, Simon will remember that the Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco got into the discourse. It had been brought to Simon by someone as a counter-argument, because it supposedly shows how "conspiracy theories" are all wrong. I had read that book years before and, when Simon told me about it I had to agree with that person, the book did demonstrate that. I tried to explain what I meant but maybe with no great success so I'll try again now.

The book illustrates how this group of researchers, much like a forum, start investigating "for fun" old conspiracies regarding the templars, and connecting the dots eventually managing to write an alternative story of the world where all the events, from the crusades to the cold war, converge under this great templars conspiracy around the efforts to harness the magnetic powers of earth itself.

In the end, the reader is shown how the research was all in vain, and that behind the conspiracy were men who knew even less than the researchers knew, to the point that they ended up believing the researchers to be even deeper into the secrets than them. You gotta appreciate Eco's irony here.

Eventually in the book you are moralistically shown how the conspiracies are escapism, and the real world is what counts.
Aside of the banal ending, I accept the general approach of the book because I don't think it negates in any way our investigations. In fact it supports them.

I don't have to tell anybody here how the investigation on media fakery is on a completely different level than the "regular" conspiracies. And I think it is true than many of these conspiracies and esoteric beliefs have been for centuries a way to trap our thoughts and give us false leads, whenever free individuals started looking underneath the surface of things.

Our work is not about watching an alternative channel as it is about turning the television off. This is what makes it so potentially revolutionary .

[fbenario]

It's quite a joke because the best things in life like peaceful quiet, real food, a loyal band of friends and oodles of idle time can always be ours. We fuck ourselves over when we slave away for something "more" and the people in power know this.

Totally agree. I made Law Review in law school, worked for big law firms in Atlanta for 7 years, then withdrew my name from the partnership vote, and resigned - with no replacement job, income stream, or plan. I couldn't stand the thought of spending the only life I have sitting at a desk following orders from anyone. Now I do tax returns, so after tax season, from April 16 to December 31 every year, I live MY life, organized and occupied as I desire. Giving up freedom for money is a fool's bargain. You won't likely meet too many other folks so uninterested in material possessions.

[reel.deal]

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[hoi.polloi]

Ha ha! Interesting "twist" on the Titanic fantasy rd.

[Juju-la-trouvaille]

Here is a website (in french) with very interesting photos about the Titanic :

http://aftitanic.free.fr/titanic/construction.html

Here, we can compare the main différences between those two strange photos (especially the upper back part of the scaffolding of the Titanic (on the left) / the strange bright of the « Olympic » on the second photo)






Those photos are clearly fake and were intended to make us believe they built two ships. I think, that only one « Titanic » were built and it didn’t sink, but it was stolen and reappear with an another names : the « Olympic ».

[hoi.polloi]

Wow. Yes. Weird photos. Thanks for sharing them.

[bostonterrierowner]

Probably nature used to keep such people in check. After a certain point, an insidious early man could only raise so much cattle and horde so many women before it became difficult to keep loyalty. Now, his servants (us) can be numbed, drugged, entertained and satiated for cheap and the "power" class sits on an ever-higher mountain of crap.

You caught the dynamic ruling our earthly life very accurately in this sentence . Congrats

Is it impossible to predict a future devised by other humans for us and kept in secret?

Very good question. In my opinion there is no predicting only the foreknowledge of incoming events . Time doesnt exist

And, right now, as we comment, there are people who are devising and preparing the next faked/false flag event. I'm so curious what it will be.
Wonder what you think of it...

I am curious as well and my odds are very high for a Polish psy-op in the nearest future. We have a general election in a week plus November the 11th is our independence day ...

[corsarino]

The ships were three Olymoic, Titanic, Gigantic/Britannic.

in 1920 ca there were two sunk ship (Titanic & Gigantic/Britannic) and a ship in good condition (Olympic).

I think that three ships were built.

Am I wrong?

[bostonterrierowner]

Maybe they built just one and extorted insurance(?) for fictional 2 ?