First, thanks a lot for this thread because it is surely a subject of great importance to all of us.
To begin with, one thing struck me while reading the previous pages : Dr Gallo is here considered (and in the whole world I guess) as a centrale figure of the aids issue. However, the name of "Gallo" is absolutly unknown in france, where most of the people are convinced that Mr Montagnier is the important one, since he is the one who "discovered" the "VIH virus". I would even say that most of the people believe a story much like this : "At he beginning, a inexplicable desease was dicovered. Later, Dr Montagnier discovered
a virus called HIV, that turned out to be the cause of the disease called Aids. He received the Nobel prize for it. Since then, we haven't found any vaccin, so people can't be cured." I would say that it is the opinion of at least 95% of the french. Nothing more.
However, Mr Montagnier himself, in 2009, made some astonishing statements in the "House of Numbers" documentary, that had, however, almost no audience in the main medias, but which circulated on alternative sites.
Here is an extract from the interview
(in english) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttdskn56bo0
Here is the whole interview
(english) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyPq-waF-h4
Here are very interesting extracts from Dr Montagnier's interview
Brent Leung: “You talked about oxidative stress earlier…Is treating oxidative stress one of the best ways to deal with the African AIDS Epidemic?”
Dr. Luc Montagnier: “I think this is one way to approach…to decrease the rate of transmission because I believe HIV…we can be exposed to HIV many times without being chronically infected. Our immune system will get rid of the virus within a few weeks, if you have a good immune system; and this is the problem of African people. Their Nutrition is not very equilibrated; they are in oxidative stress, even if they are not infected with HIV; so their immune system does not work well already. So its prone, it can, you know,…allow HIV to get in and persist. So there are many ways which are not the vaccine, the magic name, the vaccine,…many ways to decrease the transmission just by simple measures of nutrition, giving antioxidants – proper antioxidants – hygiene measures, fighting the other infections,…so they are not spectacular, but they could, you know, decrease very well the epidemic, to the level they are in occidental countries, western countries.”
Brent Leung: “So, If you have a good immune system, then your body can naturally get rid of HIV?” Dr. Luc Montagnier: “Yes!”
Brent Leung: “Oh Interesting!…Do you think we should have more of a push for antioxidants and things of that nature in Africa than antiretrovirals (AIDS Drugs)?”
Dr. Luc Montagnier: “We should push for more, you know, a combinations of measures; antioxidants, nutrition advice, nutritions, fighting other infections –malaria, tuberculosis, parasitosis, worms – education of course, genital hygiene for women and men also. Very simple measures which not, not very expensive but which could do a lot. And this is my, actually my worry about the many spectacular action for the global funds to buy drugs and so on, and Bill Gates and so on, for the vaccine. But you know those kind of measures are not very well funded, they’re not funded at all, or they are, you know, it really depends on the local government to take choice of this; but local government they take advice of the scientific advisors from the intelligent institutions and they don’t get this kind of advice very often.”
Brent Leung: “There’s no money in nutrition, right?…There’s no profit” Dr. Luc Montagnier: “There’s no profit, yes. Water is important. Water is key.”
Brent Leung: “Now one thing you said, you were talking about the fact that if you have a built immune system, it is possible to get rid of HIV naturally. If you take a poor African who’s been infected and you build up their immune system, is it possible for them to also naturally get rid of it?” Dr. Luc Montagnier: “I would think so.”
Brent Leung: “That’s an important, that’s an important point.”
Dr. Luc Montagnier: “It’s important knowledge which is completely neglected, people always think of drugs and vaccine.”
“…so this is a message which may be different from what you heard before, no?”
Brent Leung: “The closing?”
Dr. Luc Montagnier: “No, no, yes, my message, it’s different from what you heard from (Anthony) Fauci or –”
Brent Leung: “Yes, it’s a little different”.
Dr. Luc Montagnier: “…Little different”. (End)
Remember Dr Montagnier received the Nobel Prize for his "so-called" discovery of the so-called HIV virus. This might explain why he remains very prudent and never states that, in fact, he never
isolated or discovered or identified any real VIH virus. He just explains us that it "is possible to get rid of HIV naturally". So no vaccin is needed, just a good immune system !
Of course, most of the people who heard of these few statements found them totally incomprehensible. How could people get rid of such a dangerous virus with good food, clean water, and good hygiene ?? It just did not make sense, and it was said that Dr Montagnier might have been a little insane... anyway, almost nobody here heard about this interview...
So, how can we understand these statements ? I think Dr Etienne de Harven
can give us a good explanation ("Haze" provided a link to an interview he made in french in the previous page). He is a french scientist who wrote a book called "10 lies about Aids" (see some quotes here : http://www.amazon.fr/Lies-About-Aids-Et ... 1425154263
). I think he can be considered as a very serious and competent scientist (see his work and qualifications here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etienne_de_Harven
). Moreover, he is a retired person and seems to be a very independent man. (I also note that at the beginning of the first "french" interview, he declares he belonged to the "Rethinking Aids" movement for a few years, but that he has no links with it anymore
. He didn't say why (and I personnaly don't know too), but it appeared anyway that he wanted this to be clear.
I've found a short lecture Dr E. De Harven made in english (his accent is terribly... french !
) here is the link :
In Vienna 2010 (in english
(One interview in french here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px6thY9DVUI
Another one in french (with more details about Dr Gallo) : http://dotsub.com/view/5ac5fd63-dd14-40 ... 06cd80544e
Here is a short summary of his conclusions
: KEY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIV
By Etienne de Harven (Translation of a lecture given by Prof. Etienne de Harven, in French, on September 14, 2001, in Grasse (France) during the 5th International Colloquium on "Drug addiction, Hepatitis and AIDS" (THS 5) the original text of the lecture being currently "in press" in the Proceedings of the conference.) http://www.healtoronto.com/annex/keyquestions.html
- "Nobody has ever succeeded in purifying HIV"
- "All "markers" being non-specific, it was no big surprise to learn that tests for the so-called "seropositivity " (Elisa and Western Blot), being based on the very same markers were not specific either"
- "The Elisa test being non-specific, it was no surprise to learn that many medical conditions, without any connection with HIV/AIDS, often give - "HIV +" responses"
- "For patients with a positive reaction to the Elisa test, a Western Blot (WB) test is usually requested for "confirmation". However, the WB test using the same antigens as Elisa, a better specificity was hardly to be expected (15)." "Incidentally, the WB test is not accepted in England for reasons of inadequate specificity… but accepted in Scotland and throughout Europe!"
- "Many HIV pictures, taken with the electron microscope, are found in magazines, newspapers, and scientific literature. All these pictures originated from complex, laboratory cell cultures. They never originated directly from one single AIDS patient."
- "Moreover, the hypothetical heterosexual transmission of AIDS had been predicted as the likely cause of a dramatic AIDS epidemic in North America as well as in Europe. All these catastrophic predictions have, with the passage of time, been proven wrong. Gordon Stewart, from the University of Glasgow, initially analyzed epidemiological data and demonstrated that an actual AIDS epidemic has never been observed (21, 22). Virtual epidemics have, however, been reported."
(Here are more precise and more scientifical articles about retroviruses :
"No Retroviruses Can Cause AIDS, Virus Isolation" Expert Etienne de Harven Concludes
; By Paul Phillpot (Reappraising AIDS Nov./Dec. 1998) http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/ppdharven.htm
"Human Endogenous Retroviruses and AIDS Research: Confusion, Consensus, or Science?
So, to my mind, there is no more doubt that HIV as the cause of aids is a pure hypothesis, and that HIV may be a complete myth in itself. Of course, it appears clearly that aids was, for a large part, a question of money and cynical greed. However, I think it has much more implications, and in particular that it is as well (and maybe more) an issue of population control through fear, a hidden struggle against the so-called "christian values", and a weapon against african people (for racist and economical reasons), but I 'll develop this points and provide other links and quotes in a next post.