Malaysia Flight MH17

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Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby ninetynine on July 19th, 2014, 4:11 am

I think this one's worthy of its own thread.

Well we may as well start with some vicsims:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/arc ... 80082b.jpg

(notice the Jim Carrey lookalike)

from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

I agree with this video poster who claims the bodies are articulated crash test dummies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWQvJScXO2s


Coincidental story of Malaysian woman with loved-ones on both Malaysian crashes:
"Malaysian woman lost husband in MH370 and friends in Ukraine MH17 crash"
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... crash.html
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Re: Airplane crashes/ hoaxes/ conspiracies

Postby corsarino on July 19th, 2014, 7:26 am

simonshack wrote:

The TWA 800 was the story about a 747 Boeing which allegedly fell out of the sky on July 17, 1996.
It was believed to have been shot down by a surface-to-air missile - (according to 250 witness accounts).


And exactly 18 years later... on July 17, 2014:

"Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) was a scheduled international passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that crashed on 17 July 2014; it is believed to have been shot down with a surface-to-air missile."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_A ... _Flight_17


Just for the record...



It seems a fake!


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According an Italian blogger, they used the other missing Malaysian B777

http://straker-61.blogspot.it/2014/07/a ... 8oQxowaySM

Here is the English Translation:

http://translate.google.it/translate?sl ... 8oQxowaySM

As usual, passports were found intact!

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According a Russian newspaper, they used dead bodies simulating the passengers...

http://rusvesna.su/news/1405676334

Here is the english Translation:

http://translate.google.it/translate?sl ... 1405676334

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Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported the crash at 16.13 Moscow time - 'several minutes before the crash'

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All FAKE!
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby simonshack on July 19th, 2014, 1:14 pm

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My favorite "amateur video" of the "Flight MH17" mushroom cloud - being discussed on TV by the media experts...

One may wonder : was this videographer just filming this barren scenery by pure chance, just before the smoke cloud appeared on the horizon? Or did he/she point the camera in that direction after seeing the smoke trail of the plummeting / missile-stricken plane? If so, where's that smoke trail?


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjIDk32sw1I

The original digital fake: http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/ucra ... 695/171245


ninetynine wrote:I agree with this video poster who claims the bodies are articulated crash test dummies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWQvJScXO2s


Well, whatever they are - I doubt they are real corpses of a real plane crash...
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And... what are the odds for two alleged air-tragedies involving suspected surface-to-air missiles to occur at EXACTLY 18 years from each other?

"TWA Flight 800 (TWA 800), a Boeing 747-100, exploded and crashed into the Atlantic Ocean near East Moriches, New York, on July 17, 1996. (...) Initial witness descriptions led many to believe the cause of the crash was a bomb or surface-to-air missile attack."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800

"Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) was a scheduled international passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that crashed on 17 July 2014; it is believed to have been shot down with a surface-to-air missile."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_A ... _Flight_17

More to the point, perhaps, what does this "extraordinary coincidence" tell us about the bigger picture - and may it help to sway (for instance) die-hard "cold-war-believers" away from the risible notion of rivalry between this planet's superpowers?
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby brianv on July 19th, 2014, 1:51 pm

^
No. This is what a real plane crash looks like :rolleyes:

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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby ninetynine on July 19th, 2014, 3:54 pm

w00t! Found the sausage pic :)

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from: http://rt.com/news/173644-photos-plane- ... ign=chrome

Amazing packaging!

Edit to add: my kids were laughing about the pair of Birkenstocks landing together and the underwear still folded...
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby brianv on July 19th, 2014, 4:40 pm

ninetynine wrote:w00t! Found the sausage pic :)

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from: http://rt.com/news/173644-photos-plane- ... ign=chrome

Amazing packaging!


You could beat a pilot over the head and hijack the airplane with a sausage like that! We had trouble taking cough medicine for the kids on an airplane recently. Aren't there regulations about taking packaged meat abroad? From the biggest Islamic Nation in the world too? :blink: Tony Bliar will be calling for a ban on taking giant Polish sausages on airplanes.
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby HonestlyNow on July 19th, 2014, 8:06 pm

ninetynine wrote:Image

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Not a sign of any wear and/or tear in these vicsims' belongings. "Like New!"

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from dailymail.
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby OpticalIllusion on July 20th, 2014, 1:41 am

I don't know if they are saying with this saying, but I found it ironic they have a bag that says "Rituals" anyways there are a lot of strange pictures and of course from the daily mail this is a strange story.

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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby edgewaters on July 20th, 2014, 6:35 am

They are saying that rebels have taken over the site and aren't letting anyone in to take photos now. Not even investigators. The media line now is "we may never know what happened."

How convenient!

Two other things I've noticed. The vicsim stuff is a little more sophisticated - they can't get away with just 1 or 2 photos anymore. I'm looking at the Canadian vicsim (since I'm Canadian) and noticing it looks like they're using the same techniques, but there are two basic facial expressions now instead of just one. Allowing them to generate a few more photos. The other thing I've noticed is that they're not making a big deal out of vicsims like they did with 9/11. They're not lionized, I had to Google this guy because despite being the only victim from this country they're not being loud about his name and identity and background. No portraits of a vicsim on the 6 o'clock or anything like that.

That being said, for Internet users, the media has provided quite a bit of backstory in an awful hurry for this guy. But sloppily. They're all using a photo from his "Facebook account" which apparently didn't exist until after the crash. This is a 24 year old Canadian - it's unusual for a person like him not to have a social media presence.

I wonder if it's even worth digging into at this point, though.
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby mnew9 on July 20th, 2014, 8:49 am

Yet another amazing coincidence! :rolleyes:

Two of the 28 Australians killed when MH17 was shot down over Ukraine were members of a family who lost two other relatives when Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared in March, it has emerged.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/two-australians-mh17-shot-down-ukraine-relatives-mh370
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby Seneca on July 20th, 2014, 9:01 am

OpticalIllusion wrote:I don't know if they are saying with this saying, but I found it ironic they have a bag that says "Rituals" anyways there are a lot of strange pictures and of course from the daily mail this is a strange story.


If anyone wants I can help translate because Dutch is my first language and there are 193 vicsims from Holland.
http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2014/07/19/193 ... -sancties/

I don't know if you are aware that "rituals" is a cosmetic shop. http://eu.rituals.com/nl-be/home
It looks like a bag that my wife has. I am not saying it isn't ironic.
(what coincidences eh BV!)
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby Seneca on July 20th, 2014, 11:10 am

martinvrijland.nl a Dutch "conspiracy" site that is investigating the plane crash psyop went offline in the last couple of hours.
How convenient!

It's not just you! http://martinvrijland.nl looks down from here.

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ ... ijland.nl/

The author is exposing local media fakery and their simulated victims.

Edit: Site is now back online. Just to give 1 example of the man's thinking: "The official story is that the missile caused the fuel tank of the airplane to explode in the air. But they also want us to believe there was an explosion on the ground. But there was nothing left to explode. You can't have it both ways."
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby icarusinbound on July 20th, 2014, 11:18 am

Ukraine: Rebels have taken all plane crash bodies wrote:
By Associated Press

Published: 10:35, 20 July 2014 | Updated: 10:36, 20 July 2014

HRABOVE, Ukraine (AP) — Separatist rebels have spirited away all 196 bodies that workers recovered from the Malaysia Airlines crash site to an unknown location, Ukraine's emergency services said Sunday.

Associated Press journalists saw the pro-Russia rebels putting bagged bodies onto trucks at the crash site Saturday in rebel-held eastern Ukraine and driving them away. On Sunday morning, AP journalists saw no bodies and no armed rebels at the crash site and emergency workers were searching the sprawling fields only for body parts.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2698818/Ukraine-Rebels-taken-plane-crash-bodies.html

Strange shadows, or is this just perspective foreshortning, as viewed? Some of the walkers to the rear have an added applique feel to them, there is some floating-foot going on.
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ELA http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=d3717130489040ce273cc79a96541d35c056c7ec.150433&show=ela
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Note the smoke-point on the horizon, to the right of omnipresent biking grandpa, and to the left of the wreckage. Inserted, or is the ELA pixellation just a meaningless process artifact? The transition horizon, ground/trees, in the far right as viewed, is as very sharp as it is horizontal (cf the left and central horizons.
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby Seneca on July 20th, 2014, 2:53 pm

icarusinbound wrote:The transition horizon, ground/trees, in the far right as viewed, is as very sharp as it is horizontal (cf the left and central horizons.


You're right. Don't they have hills in Ukraine? That photo could have been taken in Holland or Belgium.
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Re: Malaysia Flight MH17

Postby ninetynine on July 20th, 2014, 5:25 pm

Nice analysis of the discrepancies in the backgrounds of various shots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yer6Ndrgauc


Austrailian vicsims:
http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysia-airlines-mh17-shot-down-over-ukraine-28-australians-among-298-dead/story-fnizu68q-1226992986807


And just for you guys, presenting the new Ingeborg Lariby, Fatima Dyczynski:

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Here is the corporate website of the company she founded, Xoterra Space:
http://www.xoterraspace.com/

and here she is at a Ted Talk speaking about what her company does: personal nano-satellite technology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEbLvhRLwPo

She was planning to take her team to Beijiing for a space conference in September to pitch her idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4WQRln6dJI

Her devastated parents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD1I73nfX04


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