Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby cooler1021 on March 21st, 2015, 11:47 am

brianv wrote:Now you are American? I see. You will be staying to participate in our forum when this latest hoax has blown over? You joined two years ago, haven't read a post then suddenly appear when it's "your" country that gets to wear the clown's hat? You get my "drifter"? Thank god you didn't show up during the Boston marathon hoax. :puke:

Sorry for the derail mods.


I don't know what your problem with me is but guess what, more suspicious behavior of me is coming up: this upcoming week I most likely will have no/very little time to check the forum out because I am busy with studying.

On topic:

I have looked for some articles dated 19-20 March who report the number of casualties. Here are the results:

Nu.nl: "Bij de aanslag kwamen 23 mensen om het leven. Ook de twee aanslagplegers kwamen om." = In the attack 23 people died. + the 2 terrorists died. Total of 25 dead.

source: http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/4014655/eis ... tunis.html


BBC NEWS: "Tunisia's president has urged Tunisians to unite to fight terrorism, two days after an attack on the Bardo museum in the capital Tunis killed 25 people, mostly foreign tourists." Total of 25 dead. ( I guess this includes the 2 terrorists it is not stated clear)

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31982956

Telegraph: "He said he had spoken to Prime Minister Habib Essid in the wake of the atrocity that left two Tunisians and at least 20 foreign tourists dead." at least 22 dead.

source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-UK.html

Le Monde: "parmi les 20 touristes étrangers tués dans l'attaque du Musée du Bardo mercredi, qui a fait au total 21 morts" Total of 21 dead.

Source: http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2 ... _3212.html




So yes, it seems there are some inconsistencies in the number of casualties. If anyone has more up-to-date articles please share them.
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby nonhocapito on March 21st, 2015, 1:07 pm

Yes let's go back to the research! I liked very much Simon's answer... we can afford people with questions.
Brianv, I'd like to see you sometimes just post a picture or find out one fact; you are very good at putting all of us in line, and I appreciate your no-nonsense approach to the global situation; I sometimes have a bit of envy for your convictions which never falter: however a thread deserves first of all some research; some collaborative effort; and after that, one gets the privilege to whip people around a little bit. And I direct this to cooler as well to whom I have asked, being he Tunisian as he says, some findings about this event directly from Tunisian sources. And for findings I mean pictures, videos, and links to interesting pages. Better if in arabic, we know how to use google translate. (For example: stories of the Tunisian victims; Tunisian conspiracy theories; etc.)

That said: I have been wanting to post pics of the italian vicsims for a while. Would be great if other members looked up other nationalities if possible.

First of all let me point out that these "victims" have thoroughly disappeared from the Italian news. If you visit repubblica.it and corriere.it (our major propaganda websites, allegedly in competition, in reality produced by the same people) you have to scroll down quite a lot to find a mention of the survivors: but names and faces of the victims are not there anymore. Not only all these victims are fake victims, but outside of the first traumatizing use made of them ("Italians have died"! "Italy under attack!" "Costa crociere is bad news!"), very little energy and resources are invested to keep them alive. That's exactly because they are fake: and to keep them alive in the news means writers, actors, make up artists... the whole expensive shebang.

The 4 Victims:

"Orazio Conte", picture allegedly taken from his "Facebook profile".

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from http://www.corriere.it/foto-gallery/cro ... a586.shtml

"Francesco Caldara", pensioner. This was the first victim reported, and for whom "ISIS" (= Rita Katz from the SITE) published a celebrative message.

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from http://www.corriere.it/foto-gallery/cro ... a586.shtml

The message from "ISIS"

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from http://www.blitzquotidiano.it/foto-noti ... o-2135409/
The twitter page is here: https://twitter.com/RED5Ofdsd/status/578445472123203584
(Comes with one priceless comment: "mortacci yours". Cannot be really translated.)

"Antonella Sesino" allegedly worked at the Turin town hall. At the moment being used as a photo op by the major of the city
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from http://www.torinotoday.it/cronaca/anton ... unisi.html

But the picture that makes the price gotta be this one:
"Giuseppina Biella". Her husband is said to be wounded in a hospital in Tunis.
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from http://www.corriere.it/foto-gallery/cro ... a586.shtml

Does the above picture mean that we are being trolled? <_<
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby cooler1021 on March 21st, 2015, 3:19 pm

Of course I am happy to help out :)

Unfortunately my Arabic is far from perfect, but I asked a cousin of mine to help me out. This is what he has sent me.

A video where they talk about the event in a Tunisian talk programme and show a 3D model of the museum:

Link: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=817087248374745

A news article describing the event:



Link: http://www.alarabiya.net/ar/north-afric ... 9%81-.html


And this one I looked up myself, it is from Al Wataniya one of the biggest news stations in Tunisia. If you just look at the home page you will see a lot of articles about the event.

Link: http://www.watania1.tn/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8% ... %A9_46_114
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby cooler1021 on March 22nd, 2015, 12:38 pm

Well well well... look what I just found.

Note: I am well aware that this smells like a big red herring but nonhocapito asked me to look for Tunisian conspiracies as well and this is what I found.


The first video posted below is a fragment from a Tunisian talk show called "Labess" (means how are you but never mind that).

Now to be clear, as far as I understand this fragment was not broadcasted on television when the show was aired on TV. The current interior ministry gave commission to release this fragment to the public. So I would assume it was 'cut out' on television broadcast.

So what is in the video? The 2 women in the video (the young woman at 0:25 and the older woman with the headscarf at 0:31) both claim that they were hostages at the Bardo museum. They say that the media has lied to us. They claim that the terrorists indeed killed the tourists, but they say the Tunisian Special Forces did not kill the 2 terrorists and let them get away. They say the released pictures of the killed terrorists are fake. The man with the glasses is ex Minister Ali Lâarayedh from the Islamic Ennahda party. As far as I understand this guy is talking about another subject that is irrelevant.

Then (I believe yesterday) another video is released, this time it is security camera footage of the Bardo museum. It shows more or less how the 2 terrorists escaped from the Bardo museum. (If this video is authentic or not is another question of course).


Thus they are forming the following conspiracy theory: Someone (Tunisian government or another third party) were smuggling terrorists into the country (perhaps trained in Libya) and let them execute this attack deliberately to damage the country.


LINK to talkshow fragment: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=629496703847880

LINK to security camera footage: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=954189254616076

PS: I have downloaded both videos to my PC in case they might dissapear.
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby simonshack on March 22nd, 2015, 5:17 pm

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"WE SPLATTERED OURSELVES WITH BLOOD"

(French article: http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/lemond ... 13723.html)

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"Mrs Marilyn Maury - lucky Bardo survivor"

Here's a 'survivor-horror-story' which rates right up there with the zaniest 'survivor tales' of 9/11 /Sandy Hook / Boston Marathon memory. In the below video, Mrs Marilyn recounts her "harrowing ordeal as a hostage of the hooded Al-Qaeda-looking terrorist" (yes, she mentions only one ). I have translated a few lines of this woman's story for your - uh - reading entertainment...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuaxJdqsc3w

From 0:15 onwards: "So, as our guide asked us to step away from the window, that is the moment when the terrorist [sic] arrived in the museum, I mean, I saw him arrive in the hallway... we were in one of the (museum) halls watching the mosaics, all of a sudden I saw a guy in black, you could only see his eyes, that's all... you know, like those... I mean, he had the look of, I mean... of those Al-Qaeda terrorists ...all clad in black... with only his eyes visible ... :ph34r: ... so with his gun, he was shooting in all directions, he shot at everything, anything, so there were many who fell on the floor, running in all directions, shouting. My friend managed to take refuge in a corner... well, I was in a central hall, there was only one pole [pillar?]... so, well...I saw him arrive in the hall, he was standing in front of me, shooting ... so I then went down to a corner and I...I...we...uhh...we flattened ourselves down on all fours, we regrouped...there were many of us... and we ended up behind a pillar... well, this didn't really help much because the terrorist was shooting everywhere, he walked around the pillar and started shooting at us... and I was taking refuge... well I was crouching... I mean, on all fours ... I took refuge behind the people... then voilà, he was shooting at us... it all happened very, very rapidly. And in fact, what happened much later, because their were many detonations, so each time we had to pretend to be / to play dead ... besides, I smudged myself with blood to avoid being taken for a living person... so we were scared, you know... we splattered blood on ourselves to keep ourselves from being shot at."

:mellow: < (me, speechless).

Here's the precise moment when our Marilyn utters the "blood smudging"... You've gotta love the man's head & eyebrow motion ! :P

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cooler1021 wrote:So what is in the video? The 2 women in the video (the young woman at 0:25 and the older woman with the headscarf at 0:31) both claim that they were hostages at the Bardo museum. They say that the media has lied to us. They claim that the terrorists indeed killed the tourists, but they say the Tunisian Special Forces did not kill the 2 terrorists and let them get away. They say the released pictures of the killed terrorists are fake.


Dear Cooler, as you rightly mentioned, this looks indeed like a classic red herring fed to the public - the like of which we (on this forum) have all been accustomed to over the years: it is a standard / signature ingredient routinely inserted in the scripting of these terror hoaxes. All sorts of 'conspiracy candies' (as I like to call them) are concocted to "thicken the plot". It matters not (to the psyop directors / scriptwriters) whether these tales appear absurd / preposterous / nonsensical - or if they seem to reveal some 'forbidden / taboo secrets' hidden to the public (in this case: "The police let the terrorists escape! / their portraits released in the media are fake!" :rolleyes: ) - as long as the MAIN part of the psyop remains concealed (that no one gets killed) and that the public perceives the event as a real and horrible tragedy. To be sure, these smiling girls' stories sound as phony as a three-dollar bill - yet most 'conspiracy-minded' people lap them up, which is the exact purpose of these silly stories : to promote phony conspiracy theories leading straight into la-la land - and away from the notion that these 'terror' events are totally fabricated from start to finish.
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby cooler1021 on March 22nd, 2015, 6:12 pm

Dear Cooler, as you rightly mentioned, this looks indeed like a classic red herring fed to the public - the like of which we (on this forum) have all been accustomed to over the years: it is a standard / signature ingredient routinely inserted in the scripting of these terror hoaxes. All sorts of 'conspiracy candies' (as I like to call them) are concocted to "thicken the plot". It matters not (to the psyop directors / scriptwriters) whether these tales appear absurd / preposterous / nonsensical - or if they seem to reveal some 'forbidden / taboo secrets' hidden to the public (in this case: "The police let the terrorists escape! / their portraits released in the media are fake!" :rolleyes: ) - as long as the MAIN part of the psyop remains concealed (that no one gets killed) and that the public perceives the event as a real and horrible tragedy. To be sure, these smiling girls' stories sound as phony as a three-dollar bill - yet most 'conspiracy-minded' people lap them up, which is the exact purpose of these silly stories : to promote phony conspiracy theories leading straight into la-la land - and away from the notion that these 'terror' events are totally fabricated from start to finish.


Exactly I totally agree with you, those could have been my own words. My bullshit alarm went off immediately after watching that fragment. By the way, do you or someone else notice something remarkable on the video of the security camera? Just asking because you are an expert in analyzing videos.
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby brianv on March 22nd, 2015, 7:13 pm

It's quite common for persons from the entity to say the singular "terrorist" when referring to many "terrorists".
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby nonhocapito on March 23rd, 2015, 11:54 am

simonshack wrote:Here's a 'survivor-horror-story' which rates right up there with the zaniest 'survivor tales' of 9/11 /Sandy Hook / Boston Marathon memory. In the below video, Mrs Marilyn recounts her "harrowing ordeal as a hostage of the hooded Al-Qaeda-looking terrorist".


As far as gruesome/hollywoodian details, this pathetic little act has at least one equivalent for the Italian public.

"Danila Pollara, ore sotto i cadaveri. Così si è salvata a Tunisi"
Danila Pollara, hours under the dead bodies. That's how she saved herself.
http://www.blitzquotidiano.it/cronaca-i ... i-2138187/

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The one picture can be found here: http://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/ ... 502a.shtml

How did she go "under" the dead bodies? Why the "bodies" were in a pile? The funny thing is that the above line is basically all you can learn about this. She was "hours" under bodies and that's how she survived. End of story.
Like other "victims" he also was from Turin. In fact,

Il sindaco di Torino Piero Fassino ha spiegato che non se ne avevano più notizie perché nelle fasi dell’attacco aveva perduto i documenti di identità.

The mayor of Turin Piero Fassino has explained that no news of her could be had because during the attck she had lost her identity card.


So what if she had lost her identity card...? She had also forgotten her own name?

Anyway as far as Google is concerned no videos no pictures nothing else can be found about this "survivor".

We have however material about another Italian "survivor": Anna Pegorini, MD.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3Ar0xJ6Xqg

She didn't see the "terrorist" but lay down "in the bus" "for 40 minutes" and "there was blood" around her, "blood of the dead".

She appears to be saying in a nutshell that she was on a bus that was attacked... then says that the police kept them safe for several hours somewhere, until "the blitz", and that then they were escorted back to the Costa Fascinosa ship. She doesn't mention being interrogated, she doesn't mention having her name taken down, or receiving news when in police custody. Just that she was there several hours is all.

Interesting use of vocabulary, also, when she describes two women being shot as they were getting off the bus: "sono cadute immediatamente" (They immediately fell). "Cadute", which stands here for KIA, is military lingo.

The circumstances of course are all absurd and later on a journalist, certainly not realizing he's not really supposed to scratch the surface of the mask, asks a question about the "dynamic" of this particular event -- and that's where the video has a visible cut. <_<

She goes on to say that, later, on the ship, there was "a lot of sadness" and "it was not like a holiday anymore". No shit. And it still remains unexplained if not ridiculous the fact that the ship Costa Fascinosa left Tunis the day after the event, went to Palma de Maiorca, and then only from there the "victims" (actors/agents) were flown back to Italy. Is it possible they never were in Tunis, but kept instead In Palma, rehearsing their parts for a brief holiday before the performance?

Costa Fascinosa - Passenger (Cruise) Ship - Details and current .jpg

Costa Fascinosa itinerary, from http://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/COS ... -247313500

More absurdities are uttered in the above video. Unfortunately I don't have the time to translate it all. But it is a recommended watch for anyone who can understand a bit of Italian.
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby simonshack on March 23rd, 2015, 4:12 pm

nonhocapito wrote:The circumstances of course are all absurd and later on a journalist, certainly not realizing he's not really supposed to scratch the surface of the mask, asks a question about the "dynamic" of this particular event -- and that's where the video has a visible cut. <_<


Nonho,

An uncut version (from another camera angle) of Mrs Pegorini's "testimony" is to be found here - on LA STAMPA :
http://www.lastampa.it/2015/03/22/edizi ... agina.html

In the SANREMO NEWS version you posted, there is a cut at 2:46 - (right after she says "molta tristezza"). This moment corresponds to 1:10 in the LA STAMPA version. Well, in the uncut LA STAMPA version, listen to what she says soon after that... No wonder someone, at some stage, decided to cut / edit out that exceedingly preposterous statement !

At 1:22: " Non pensavo ad un attentato, sinceramente... penso che fosse una cosa del tutto imprevista... siamo stati colti di sorpresa..."

"I wasn't thinking it was a (terror) attack, quite frankly... I think it was a fully unexpected thing... we were caught by surprise..."

No way, madam ! So it was all unexpected - and caught you by surprise? Blimey, weren't you gals expecting some jolly excitement on that fancy holiday cruise? To be sure, "jolly" is exactly how I would describe Mrs Pegorino - as she frequently giggles & smiles during her "horror" account, featuring bullets missing her by inches and fellow coach passengers shot dead - right in front of her eyes...

But the 'smiling contest' is easily won by Mrs Pegorini's fellow traveller and friend Elisabetta Ravera (a 'diabetologist') whose performance is entirely missing in the SANREMO NEWS version.

ElisabettaRavera_BARDOmuseum_01.PNG

"Elisabetta Ravera - diabetologist" (and lucky Bardo survivor)

Elisabetta's account also features a 'fantastic' statement, as she recounts how she was deafened by the loud sound of bullets smashing into the coach - at close range :

Reporter asks: "What were you thinking at that moment?"
Elisabetta: "To tell you the truth ... nothing! Absolutely nothing." [*giggles and smiles widely*] "Besides, I felt very...uh... fairly tranquil. The only thing that I was thinking was that they [tha terrrrrorists] will now jump into the bus and kill us all."

Oh well - not much to be upset about, I suppose! :P :rolleyes:



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And just another little Bardo 'lucky survivor story' I bumped into today...
http://www.rsvn.it/finalmente-a-casa-i- ... c55584.htm

"L’avvocato Francesco Ruffino e la sua famiglia erano fra i savonesi in crociera ma al museo di Tunisi non ci sono andati. «Mio figlio, che ha 11 anni, mi ha detto "’Papà, dalla nave non scendo, ho paura dell’Isis, mi sono documentato su Internet"."

"Lawyer Francesco Ruffino and his family were among the Savona residents on the cruise ship but the did not go to the Tunis [Bardo] museum. «My son, who is 11 years old, told me "Daddy, I won't leave the ship, I am afraid of Isis, I have read about them on the Internet."


The kid obviously isn't a Cluesforum reader. ;)
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby nonhocapito on March 24th, 2015, 2:13 pm

An interesting video surfaced today from the propaganda news website repubblica.it. It allegedly shows a group of Italian tourists, again from the ship Costa Fascinosa, visiting the museum when the shooting occurs.

You can watch the video here: http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/atta ... ef=HRER3-1

(How many groups of tourists came from the Costa Fascinosa? We were told by "Anna Pegorini" that her group, also from the same ship, was outside in the bus when the attack happened...)

A few screenshots:

1) As the camera pans down from the ceiling, we see several blue and white stripes. Most readers of this forum know that these will never fail to show up on each and every "terror event".

Tunisi1.mp4.jpg


2) the very moment the shooting starts, we see very clearly an american brand, and an american flag: "North Sails United States".

tunisi3.jpg


tunisi4.jpg


A second later, after hearing only one shot the person holding the phone asks: are they shooting?

3) people start running.

tunisi5.jpg


tunisi6.jpg


Somewhere during the running we hear a lady saying in a drawling lament that someone has been shot. That's about all the drama you get here.

On this page: http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2015/03 ... 110322099/ there's an interview with the authors of the video. In the interview they say that after the first shot they thought a statue had fallen from a pedestal. Why then we distinctly hear them saying "are they shooting?"

Nice mosaics, anyway. Would love to pay a visit :)
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby nonhocapito on March 31st, 2015, 7:50 am

So the Bardo museum reopened and of course here too they didn't waste time and produced immediately a commemorative stone. It's like, "let's never forget horrible things that happen! Let's never look forward! Let's let the past hold us up forever!" <_<

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from http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2015/03 ... 57913/1/#1

Apparently, as you can see here, one of the victims was left out of the stone, and had to be added with a piece of paper at the bottom. A good job indeed.

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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby simonshack on March 31st, 2015, 11:49 am

nonhocapito wrote:Apparently, as you can see here, one of the victims was left out of the stone, and had to be added with a piece of paper at the bottom. A good job indeed.


Nonho,

That "Huguette DEPEN" added at the bottom is supposed to 'honor' a new French victim, Mrs "Huguette DUPEU", a 70-year-old lady who we are told, "died in hospital of her 4 gunshot" wounds - on Saturday March 28. This apparently caused deep sadness for Monsieur Le Président :

"The President of the Republic expresses his deep sadness following the death in Tunis of Mrs Huguette Dupeu who was seriously injured" in the attack." http://news.sky.com/story/1454732/woman ... ttack-dies
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Unfortunately (for the DUPEU family) it seems that Monsieur Le Président's deep sadness was rather superficial and short-lived - since (the very next day) he obviously failed to notice the gross misspelling of Mrs DUPEU's surname on the Bardo museum's commemorative plaque...
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http://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/ ... 90869.html


"DUPE U". Who, me ? :mellow:

Edit: Oh - I get it ! Her full name being "Huguette Dupeu" - it's > U GET DUPE U ! Good grief...

Oh and by the way: the total number of 'innocent BARDO casualties' now seems to have finally stabilized at... "22". Anyone surprised?
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby nonhocapito on March 31st, 2015, 10:03 pm

DUPE U? Incredible. These people are the ultimate sociopaths. They will drown in their own arrogance.

According to this: http://www.larep.fr/loiret/actualite/pa ... 84017.html
she was 74. 7+4... 22... Sociopaths and obsessed.
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby hoi.polloi on April 1st, 2015, 5:32 am

Regardless of all the possible puns (get de paper, get de pen, boss or possibly, you are now in the dep en of the pool of fakery like your immersion in the matrix is about to depen) I think those are mere afterthoughts according to some "rules of Psy-Ops" document we can imagine is the root script.

Psychologically, this "depen/udupe" clowning seems to be a crass way of legitimizing the other names — by causing people to think about the paper name as some kind of exception compared to the solid, epitaph-like markings of the others. And unfortunately, for 90% of the people who will merely browse this story as the latest upgrade to the simulation comes out, that will build up enough psychological resistance to questioning any other aspect.

They would say: "Oh, that paper name was a bit fishy (or sad) I guess, but ... everything else looks more real"

The notion of layering different levels of simulation within the simulation (which is obviously the only way a sim can be successful in our world that is chock full of virtual reality) is unfortunately beyond the scope of most gullible folks.
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Re: Tunis Bardo museum shooting, 18 March 2015

Postby nonhocapito on April 1st, 2015, 10:56 am

hoi.polloi wrote:Regardless of all the possible puns (get de paper, get de pen, boss or possibly, you are now in the dep en of the pool of fakery like your immersion in the matrix is about to depen) I think those are mere afterthoughts according to some "rules of Psy-Ops" document we can imagine is the root script.

Psychologically, this "depen/udupe" clowning seems to be a crass way of legitimizing the other names — by causing people to think about the paper name as some kind of exception compared to the solid, epitaph-like markings of the others. And unfortunately, for 90% of the people who will merely browse this story as the latest upgrade to the simulation comes out, that will build up enough psychological resistance to questioning any other aspect.

They would say: "Oh, that paper name was a bit fishy (or sad) I guess, but ... everything else looks more real"

The notion of layering different levels of simulation within the simulation (which is obviously the only way a sim can be successful in our world that is chock full of virtual reality) is unfortunately beyond the scope of most gullible folks.


You're right, that's very true. Makes the pair with those 9/11 stories like "the firefighters stole merchandise from the WTC" (this event is fishy, but the rest is real), or "the wife who pretended her husband was a 9/11 victim"(that victim is fake, all the other ones are real).
(However given how they seem to be in a real rush, given how they seem to be spread thin across multiple psyops, it is also possible that, occasionally, actual blunders show up in their stories...)
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