Polish president's plane crash. PsyOp?

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Polish president's plane crash. PsyOp?

Postby bostonterrierowner on May 13th, 2011, 8:27 am

reel.deal wrote:boston... you seen this ?
Russian troops seen moving dummy 'landing lights', set up in woods 2 miles BEFORE real runway ?!? :huh:

POLISH PLANE CRASH TRUTH VIDEO - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlNBcILZ2Zc


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President plane crash and surounding stories , I feel like I am with my fellow countrymen now :)

Here in Poland there is concerted effort by MSM to make it all look like a russian job , rumours are of artificial mist , hellium , fake runway lights ,wrong gps coordintes and even shotdown. There are even videos on wich you can hear AK 47 rounds being shot presumably finishing off the survivors. I really dont know what to think all I know is that wasnt just a plane crash. President planes dont crash just like that. Have you heard of Katyn massacre where 14.000 polish officers where kiled by NKWD? Well , catastrophe occured exactly on 70th anniversary in almost the exact place. I leave some room in my mind for all this stuff with our president to be a false flag event given all proven media fakery but as of now I am 95% convinced he really died. Who might have wanted him dead? He was 200% servile to USA and especially to Isreal , playing the ball good with EU despite pretending to be tough on several occasions. He rallied around Poland this whole cluster of smaller states like Lithuania , Latvia , Estonia , Hungary , Slovakia etc. against Russia . Maybe that was the reason? He fell victim to some delusional belief and reused to let go or something .But I doubt it.
Good you brought this up I am very interested in SeptemberClues guys' opinions on this subject , independent and really insightful blogosphere is non existent in Poland . Everything is politacaly influenced one way or another


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Postby warriorhun on May 13th, 2011, 10:28 pm

Dear bostonterrierowner,

Whatever psy-ops they may pull off, one thing will never change:
Polak-Wenger dva bratanki, ido sabli, ido sklanki! :)
Correct me if I am wrong, but I heard your late president was an oldschool patriot, Polish and Christian to the bone, pursuing Polish interests first and foremost... This kind of behaviour is not very well liked by the NWO...nor by the Russians...nor by the Jews...
We in Hungary were all devastated when we heard the news, but one thing is for sure: the event is more than suspicious, and Katyn is an evil place...
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Postby bostonterrierowner on May 13th, 2011, 11:44 pm

Regarding Kaczynski he wasnt that patriotic in my opinion. He was really servile to USA and Israel , he was more like a Neocon always ready to send more troops to wherever his masters told him. He was also kind of demented , what was getting more and more obvious on almost every subject. e.g. he claimed to be a fotball fanatic but couldnt spell national team's coach or a goalkeeper's. He called Benhakker Benhauer and Boruc Borubar , real PR killer :) Brains behind him was his twin Jaroslaw , who sends his people to Washington for instructions on regular basis . He sucks up to the republicans t even to the same people that sat on 9/11 commission. Lech Kaczynski didnt stand a chance to be reelected , no fucking way . Why was he eliminated? Why couldnt it wait 5 months ? Only thing that comes to my mind is this block of smaller countries gathering around Poland , but I am not ready to die for this idea. He was also a Jew , despite being practicing catholic ( in public at least ) how did he reconcile it with being pro death penalty? I dont know. His father , Rajmund was Bierut's protege and generally this family was very well connected , in the 60s the twins were even the child stars . They had leading parts in a popular kid movie. But maybe his death proves him being a patriot? I was always sure that real patriots have no place in politics but in a grave . Sad but true , unfortunately
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Postby nonhocapito on May 14th, 2011, 1:46 am

bostonterrierowner wrote:Regarding Kaczynski he wasnt that patriotic in my opinion. He was really servile to USA and Israel , he was more like a Neocon always ready to send more troops to wherever his masters told him. He was also kind of demented , what was getting more and more obvious on almost every subject. e.g. he claimed to be a fotball fanatic but couldnt spell national team's coach or a goalkeeper's. He called Benhakker Benhauer and Boruc Borubar , real PR killer :) Brains behind him was his twin Jaroslaw , who sends his people to Washington for instructions on regular basis . He sucks up to the republicans t even to the same people that sat on 9/11 commission. Lech Kaczynski didnt stand a chance to be reelected , no fucking way . Why was he eliminated? Why couldnt it wait 5 months ? Only thing that comes to my mind is this block of smaller countries gathering around Poland , but I am not ready to die for this idea. He was also a Jew , despite being practicing catholic ( in public at least ) how did he reconcile it with being pro death penalty? I dont know. His father , Rajmund was Bierut's protege and generally this family was very well connected , in the 60s the twins were even the child stars . They had leading parts in a popular kid movie. But maybe his death proves him being a patriot? I was always sure that real patriots have no place in politics but in a grave . Sad but true , unfortunately


This is very interesting. Is it true what certain sources said after the accident (including Alex Jones I think) that Poland was like the only country of europe free of debt, and that that was a reason why the government had to be decapitated, because it was not subservient enough to the rule of the bankers?
Another possibility was to alienate Poland relations with Russia?
I will also remind myself that it is entirely possible that there was no plane crash at all, but only a collective trauma meant to cause certain changes to happen quicker (and for the most part the video supposedly documenting the execution of the survivors after the crash, looks staged or faked, so that's a weird psyop too). Besides, let's face it, how demented can it be to fly all these important officials together as if they were a soccer team?
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Postby bostonterrierowner on May 14th, 2011, 8:44 am

="nonhocapito
This is very interesting. Is it true what certain sources said after the accident (including Alex Jones I think) that Poland was like the only country of europe free of debt, and that that was a reason why the government had to be decapitated, because it was not subservient enough to the rule of the bankers?
Another possibility was to alienate Poland relations with Russia?
I will also remind myself that it is entirely possible that there was no plane crash at all, but only a collective trauma meant to cause certain changes to happen quicker (and for the most part the video supposedly documenting the execution of the survivors after the crash, looks staged or faked, so that's a weird psyop too). Besides, let's face it, how demented can it be to fly all these important officials together as if they were a soccer team?


Well , Poland is no way free of debt , we are actually in debt up to our noeses thats why they rushed so much with the budget. In 1989 we voted in theses thresholds , meaning that 50 % debt to GDP is a first step in which you need to take some precautions , 55% is a next one with which you need to cut , remeber elections in november . We are far , far behind 55% but they indulge in a creative accounting . Now it just cannot be hidden . Anyways I expect social unrest soon , due to austerity of course. Regarding Alex Jones and the rest claiming that we were debt free , they were toatly off track. What we were free of , was this so called 2008 financial crisis. Thats true we didnt venture into the negative GDP growth area and basicaly things didnt get that bad as in the rest of Europe. Its not thanks to our politicians but to the fact that our ecnomy is not that much financilalized , for example 50% of population still dont have bank accounts :) Including Jaroslaw Kaczynski :) In this way we are not enough subservient to the bankers . Plus we still have our own currency fortunately unpegged to Euro so our expotrs picked up the slack. Regarding flying all these important people. Remeber , Poland is a parliamentary-cabinet system , president is not that really important . Prime minister and whole government are toatly intact. Relations with Russia actually warmed after all this mess but yes , I think it was aimed at spoiling them forever. Now we have to Katyns to remember , 1940 one and 2010
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Postby antipodean on May 14th, 2011, 10:08 am

by bostonterrierowner » May 13th, 2011, 5:27 pm

Here in Poland there is concerted effort by MSM to make it all look like a russian job , rumours are of artificial mist , hellium , fake runway lights ,wrong gps coordintes and even shotdown. There are even videos on wich you can hear AK 47 rounds being shot presumably finishing off the survivors. I really dont know what to think all I know is that wasnt just a plane crash. President planes dont crash just like that. Have you heard of Katyn massacre where 14.000 polish officers where kiled by NKWD? Well , catastrophe occured exactly on 70th anniversary in almost the exact place. I leave some room in my mind for all this stuff with our president to be a false flag event given all proven media fakery but as of now I am 95% convinced he really died. Who might have wanted him dead? He was 200% servile to USA and especially to Isreal , playing the ball good with EU despite pretending to be tough on several occasions. He rallied around Poland this whole cluster of smaller states like Lithuania , Latvia , Estonia , Hungary , Slovakia etc. against Russia . Maybe that was the reason? He fell victim to some delusional belief and reused to let go or something .But I doubt it.
Good you brought this up I am very interested in SeptemberClues guys' opinions on this subject , independent and really insightful blogosphere is non existent in Poland . Everything is politacaly influenced one way or another


The Katyn massacre is interesting because of it's WW2 significance.
The Nazis had invaded Poland with the intentions of occupying the German speaking lands of Poland, to ultimately absorb Germany, Austria, & the German speaking areas of Czechoslovakia and Poland to become one greater Germany.

After Britain declared war on Germany in September 1939, it would have been critical to have covered up the Katyn massacre, because Britain would obviously have to declare war on Russia as well. The Katyn massacre having occured during the period of the phoney war.

Here's an extract from the speech that the yet to be killed Polish President was to make at the 70th anniversary of Katyn.http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/016204.html
In April 1940, over 21,000 Polish prisoners of war from NKVD camps were murdered. This crime against humanity was committed by the will of Stalin and under the orders of the highest authorities of the Soviet Union. The alliance between the Third Reich and the USSR, the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, and the aggression against Poland on 17 September 1939 dramatically culminated in the Katyn crime.

According to the youtube video featuring Jane Burgermeister, 22,000 Polish officers & academics were exterminated at Katyn, that's a hell of a lot of them all to have been murdered in one isolated spot, & covered up in one day. It's almost up there with the millions of Jews allegedly gassed at Auschwitz.

by bostonterrierowner » May 14th, 2011, 8:44 am

Brains behind him was his twin Jaroslaw , who sends his people to Washington for instructions on regular basis . He sucks up to the republicans t even to the same people that sat on 9/11 commission. Lech Kaczynski didnt stand a chance to be reelected , no fucking way . Why was he eliminated? Why couldnt it wait 5 months ? Only thing that comes to my mind is this block of smaller countries gathering around Poland , but I am not ready to die for this idea.


It looks to me as though Kaczynski was a bit of a pragmatist, agree with the Neo Cons on as many things as possible in the hope that he can cling onto Poland's sovereign survival.

The Plane crash remind's me a bit of the KAL007 shoot down, ( The flight used to assassinate CFR foe Larry McDonald) change the pre flight co-ordinates, then blame the whole thing on the Russians.
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Postby bostonterrierowner on May 14th, 2011, 11:08 am

antipodean wrote:
by bostonterrierowner » May 13th, 2011, 5:27 pm

Here in Poland there is concerted effort by MSM to make it all look like a russian job , rumours are of artificial mist , hellium , fake runway lights ,wrong gps coordintes and even shotdown. There are even videos on wich you can hear AK 47 rounds being shot presumably finishing off the survivors. I really dont know what to think all I know is that wasnt just a plane crash. President planes dont crash just like that. Have you heard of Katyn massacre where 14.000 polish officers where kiled by NKWD? Well , catastrophe occured exactly on 70th anniversary in almost the exact place. I leave some room in my mind for all this stuff with our president to be a false flag event given all proven media fakery but as of now I am 95% convinced he really died. Who might have wanted him dead? He was 200% servile to USA and especially to Isreal , playing the ball good with EU despite pretending to be tough on several occasions. He rallied around Poland this whole cluster of smaller states like Lithuania , Latvia , Estonia , Hungary , Slovakia etc. against Russia . Maybe that was the reason? He fell victim to some delusional belief and reused to let go or something .But I doubt it.
Good you brought this up I am very interested in SeptemberClues guys' opinions on this subject , independent and really insightful blogosphere is non existent in Poland . Everything is politacaly influenced one way or another



Antipodean

First of all there were none german speaking parts of Poland before WWII , unlike czechoslovakia where Sudeten Land was german speaking indeed

The Katyn massacre is interesting because of it's WW2 significance.
The Nazis had invaded Poland with the intentions of occupying the German speaking lands of Poland, to ultimately absorb Germany, Austria, & the German speaking areas of Czechoslovakia and Poland to become one greater Germany.

After Britain declared war on Germany in September 1939, it would have been critical to have covered up the Katyn massacre, because Britain would obviously have to declare war on Russia as well. The Katyn massacre having occured during the period of the phoney war.

Here's an extract from the speech that the yet to be killed Polish President was to make at the 70th anniversary of Katyn.http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/016204.html
In April 1940, over 21,000 Polish prisoners of war from NKVD camps were murdered. This crime against humanity was committed by the will of Stalin and under the orders of the highest authorities of the Soviet Union. The alliance between the Third Reich and the USSR, the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, and the aggression against Poland on 17 September 1939 dramatically culminated in the Katyn crime.

According to the youtube video featuring Jane Burgermeister, 22,000 Polish officers & academics were exterminated at Katyn, that's a hell of a lot of them all to have been murdered in one isolated spot, & covered up in one day. It's almost up there with the millions of Jews allegedly gassed at Auschwitz.

by bostonterrierowner » May 14th, 2011, 8:44 am

Brains behind him was his twin Jaroslaw , who sends his people to Washington for instructions on regular basis . He sucks up to the republicans t even to the same people that sat on 9/11 commission. Lech Kaczynski didnt stand a chance to be reelected , no fucking way . Why was he eliminated? Why couldnt it wait 5 months ? Only thing that comes to my mind is this block of smaller countries gathering around Poland , but I am not ready to die for this idea.


It looks to me as though Kaczynski was a bit of a pragmatist, agree with the Neo Cons on as many things as possible in the hope that he can cling onto Poland's sovereign survival.

The Plane crash remind's me a bit of the KAL007 shoot down, ( The flight used to assassinate CFR foe Larry McDonald) change the pre flight co-ordinates, then blame the whole thing on the Russians.




Antipodean

First of all there were no german speaking parts of Poland before WWII , contrary to Czechoslovakia where Sudeten Land was practically german. You might be thinking of Free Town of Gdansk/Danzig but it wasnt polish anyways it was separate administrative entity. Poles were only 10% of population. Second of all Katyn happened in April 1940 so it wasnt phoney war anymore. In 1941 when the germans invaded soviet union discovered mass graves in smolensk forrest and made a noise about it. Red cross came in in 1943 , even polish delegation from London showed up. It was clear now these were not Nazis. It was clear anyways because germans didnt get that far in 1939 but their allies the soviet did. British knew it exactly . Katyn was a revenge for 1920 when polish army stopped bolsheviks from invading Europe its called in here Mirracle at Vistula River , look it up. 22,000 is now downgraded to 14.000 , but it didnt happen in one day and single location. Returning to the British , Katyn and Stalin. Churchill needed Stalin bad , and vice-versa , but the head of polish government on exile general Sikorsky was giving them hard time , thats why he was "plane-crashed" in Gibraltar in 1943 , look it up also

Stalin made some concessions and 2 more polish armies were created out of our POWs and civilian population sent into the Soviet Union. One of these lets call it Anders' Army left USSR through Iran , crossed Palestine ( Ben Gurion was a deserter from this polish army along with many jews that later fought the ENGLISH , bet you didnt know :) ) . These were the soldiers that captured Monte Casino .

All of them couldnt come back to Poland after the war many stayed in UK although werent much welcome , big numbers ended up in Canada , Australia , USA , Argentina . Second army was Berling's one , they fought along the soviets bravely . Soldiers of this polish army were the ones hanging the flag on reichstag agter berlin fell. It was actually a polish flag , but history was adjusted accordingly :)

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Postby antipodean on May 14th, 2011, 12:06 pm

First of all there were none german speaking parts of Poland before WWII , unlike czechoslovakia where Sudeten Land was german speaking indeed

That's strange, I thought that for hundreds of years there had been a German speaking enclave in what was Poland before WW2,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_minority_in_Poland

Second of all Katyn happened in April 1940 so it wasn't phoney war anymore. In 1941 when the germans invaded soviet union discovered mass graves in smolensk forrest and made a noise about it.

When I say "Phoney War" I'm referring to the euphemism used at the time by the British people,to describe the early period of WW2, when there was no conflicts being engaged into, despite there being a declaration of war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War

22,000 is now downgraded to 14.000 , but it didnt happen in one day and single location.

Thats interesting, so what actually is the significance of Katyn & April (10) 1940.
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Postby bostonterrierowner on May 14th, 2011, 12:27 pm

antipodean wrote:
First of all there were none german speaking parts of Poland before WWII , unlike czechoslovakia where Sudeten Land was german speaking indeed

That's strange, I thought that for hundreds of years there had been a German speaking enclave in what was Poland before WW2,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_minority_in_Poland

Second of all Katyn happened in April 1940 so it wasn't phoney war anymore. In 1941 when the germans invaded soviet union discovered mass graves in smolensk forrest and made a noise about it.

When I say "Phoney War" I'm referring to the euphemism used at the time by the British people,to describe the early period of WW2, when there was no conflicts being engaged into, despite there being a declaration of war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War

22,000 is now downgraded to 14.000 , but it didnt happen in one day and single location.

Thats interesting, so what actually is the significance of Katyn & April (10) 1940.



Actual german minority in Poland is very small and basicaly media created. There are some people claiming to be of german origin which they propably are but very very few of them speaks german at home. Popularity of being german in here is connected with german immigration law. If you can prove that yoor family lived on german territory before the war for example in Silesia or Mazury , boom! and you are handed german passport. Its called law of blood. Imagine benefits of it during communism , compare it to milions of Turks being in Germany for generations without citizenship. Around 30 % of surnames in Poland sound german including mine it suggests that in some point in history we came here from there. Does it make me a Kraut? Fuck no :) After the war eastern part of germany with cities like Wroclaw/Breslau , Stettin/Szczecin were given to Poland hence your cofusion about vast german speaking parts of Poland during the ages. They were no germanspeaking enclaves they were germany itself , but now they belong to Poland , thats all.

regarding the phoney war I can agree with your point . Until France was invaded it was still phoney , you got me here.


14.000 people officers massacred in Soviet Russia is still a big deal so I really dont get your point , why 22.000 is understandable for you and 14.000 isnt? Katyn is huge in here because speaking about it was forbidden until 1989 and in the 50ies you could actually loose your life mentioning smolensk forrest.

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Postby nonhocapito on May 14th, 2011, 1:20 pm

Here in Poland there is concerted effort by MSM to make it all look like a russian job , rumours are of artificial mist , hellium , fake runway lights ,wrong gps coordintes and even shotdown. There are even videos on wich you can hear AK 47 rounds being shot presumably finishing off the survivors. I really dont know what to think all I know is that wasnt just a plane crash. President planes dont crash just like that. Have you heard of Katyn massacre where 14.000 polish officers where kiled by NKWD? Well , catastrophe occured exactly on 70th anniversary in almost the exact place. I leave some room in my mind for all this stuff with our president to be a false flag event given all proven media fakery but as of now I am 95% convinced he really died. Who might have wanted him dead? He was 200% servile to USA and especially to Isreal , playing the ball good with EU despite pretending to be tough on several occasions. He rallied around Poland this whole cluster of smaller states like Lithuania , Latvia , Estonia , Hungary , Slovakia etc. against Russia . Maybe that was the reason? He fell victim to some delusional belief and reused to let go or something .But I doubt it.
Good you brought this up I am very interested in SeptemberClues guys' opinions on this subject , independent and really insightful blogosphere is non existent in Poland . Everything is politacaly influenced one way or another


bostonterrierowner, I had missed this first part of yours on the subject, it is pretty interesting, way more interesting than speculating about what will happen a few months from now so if you feel like creating a new thread, about the polish plane crash, we can move all the relevant posts from here to that thread. It really seems to be related to media fakery, at least regarding the psyop following the event, and it can be useful to have a thread where to collect all the material available about this topic. We're off subject here anyway...
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Postby antipodean on May 14th, 2011, 1:22 pm

On a more light hearted note, the Katyn massacre gets a bit transposed in the movie Enigma, there is a sort of rush against time to prevent the Nazis from broadcasting the truth about Katyn, in order to break up the Soviet Allied alliance. A bit silly really, because it could all be written off as propaganda. But Katyn probably became a handy tool later on, for demonising the Soviet regime.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0157583/board/threads/

After the war eastern part of germany with cities like Wroclaw/Breslau , Stettin/Szczecin were given to Poland hence your cofusion about vast german speaking parts of Poland during the ages.

I don't think I gave the impression there were vast pre WW2 speaking parts of Poland, just an enclave that Hitler wanted to absorb into a Greater Germany.

14.000 people officers massacred in Soviet Russia is still a big deal so I really dont get your point , why 22.000 is understandable for you and 14.000 isnt? Katyn is huge in here because speaking about it was forbidden until 1989 and in the 50ies you could actually loose your life mentioning smolensk forrest.


I wasn't trying to belittle the tragedy or deny it happened, I just get a bit suspicious of the full extent of these types of massacres once the death toll starts getting revised down. Also I was interested in your point that this massacre didn't just happen in one day, in the one place.

Up until 1989 I could well imagine that the Soviet Union would have ruthlessly tried to suppress the truth about Katyn. Similar to how in Germany & Austria, it is a crime to lessen the extent, or question the official version of the holocaust.
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Postby bostonterrierowner on May 14th, 2011, 1:34 pm

I get your point Antipodean , lets leave 1940 Katyn alone for now , non.capito is right lets take care of 2010 version. I will surprise you but mentioning that smth. might be fishy with holocaust numbers let alone credibility of gas chambers is called AUSCHWITZ LIE in Poland and is a criminal offence punishable by up to 5 years in prison :)

This enclave you are talking about was Gdansk/Danzig but it was german anyway , casus belli was a corridor connecting it with Germany proper .
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Polish president's plane crash. PsyOp?

Postby bostonterrierowner on May 14th, 2011, 1:49 pm

Hi Everybody!

nonhocapito suggested it could be a subject worth a separate thread and I agree . Dear admin please put my posts from 11.11.11 thread in here so we can have some insider perspective. Being polish I can honestly claim to be an insider :)

As of now I can dismiss some theories:

1. Poland was free of debt , mr. president didnt play the ball with the bankers hence his fate.

Well Poland is heavily indebted and playing the ball just perfect. President is basically ornamental position and has nothing to do with monetary and fiscal policy. As all nations in europe and elsewhere with some exceptions ( Iran , Cuba , North Korea and recently Libya , Iraq) we dont have soverign currency which means that in order to create money we need to go into debt with the foreign banks. So much for this BS.

2. He was fiercely patriotic and putting Poland first

I doubt it please refer to my hopefully relocated posts for argumentation


What I think about it?

Only reason according to me to kill him was his Idea of gathering smaller countries around Poland creating a block that way ready to stand up to France or Germany . This would complicate relations with Russia because balkanization would be harder . It wasnt welcome by UK and USA as well. Why couldnt it wait 5 months until elections in which he would suffer humiliating defeat ? I honestly dont know.

Please share your insights and thoughts
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Re: Polish president's plane crash. PsyOp?

Postby grav on May 14th, 2011, 4:01 pm

I remember following this last year. Didn't Poland reject an IMF bailout before this, and shortly after the new regime, the bailout was accepted? That is a little too obvious of an IMF hit, or maybe the whole banker assassin thing is a red-herring and it was all staged. Who knows. I do have a hard time giving a president of any country the benefit of the doubt of not being an agent to this grand psy-opera.

Here's the plane crash video with 'digital enhancements'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEx7HL4H5yk
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Re: Polish president's plane crash. PsyOp?

Postby bostonterrierowner on May 14th, 2011, 4:27 pm

grav wrote:I remember following this last year. Didn't Poland reject an IMF bailout before this, and shortly after the new regime, the bailout was accepted? That is a little too obvious of an IMF hit, or maybe the whole banker assassin thing is a red-herring and it was all staged. Who knows. I do have a hard time giving a president of any country the benefit of the doubt of not being an agent to this grand psy-opera.

Here's the plane crash video with 'digital enhancements'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEx7HL4H5yk


After Kaczynski's death there was no regime change. Like I said before Poland is a parliamentary-cabinet system the government rules, period. What president can do is refuse to sign some bill or send it to constitutional court , he can put off some nominations and make an ass of himself abroad. So when he died , according to our constitution , speaker of the lower house of the parliament takes over before another ellecctions are called. Speaker happened to be Bronislaw Komrowski who was picked up by the ruling party Platforma Obywatelska some months before as a future presidential candidate :) Isnt it convinient? When plane went down Komorowski just became president 5 months earlier. Still there is no regime change only a president was new . Right now PO has everything parliamentary majority , presidency and local power. Kaczynski couldnt even dream about reelection , he was so unpopular. Regarding IMF bailout . I know how IMF takover looks like . Greece , Argentina , Bolivia now Irealnd. Believe me if the FUND was in Poland "bailing us out" I would have noticed. Its not the time yet , but it will come I am sure. What you are probaly talking about is this 20 bilion dollar flexible credit line that we accepted in the beginnig of 2009. The reason for this was deprciation of our currency which made the government approach this 55 % debt to GDP threshold . Please refer to my previuos post .70% of our debt is denominated in Euros or Dollars so when Zloty goes down debt goes up. They just got it from IMF to scare Soros and other speculators off for a while. There was by no means a bailout , total BS , deadend , period. Weak Zloty isnt that bad for us because we export a lot but its bad for the government ia sense of Public Debt measuremnt. Thats all. I know what I am talking about in this matter .

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