Jesus is a real person?dblitz wrote:Zeffirelli's Jesus of Nazareth is good. And Jesus is a real person.
So is Sherlock Holmes!
Jesus is a real person?dblitz wrote:Zeffirelli's Jesus of Nazareth is good. And Jesus is a real person.
brianv wrote:
Jesus is a real person?
Jesus is the one true Lord. And I should know, I've followed a few.Rudy Algera wrote:Jesus was a mushroom
I'm no expert on biblical studies, so I have to rely on scholars with more ability in that field to offer me evidence as to the true nature of events. As it stands at the moment, in my mind, there is a high probability that Jesus was a fictional character created by the Roman Empire, to subdue its subjects, lead them into a life of servitude devoid of critical thought. To this day this scheme of things is all apparent as witnessed by mass apathy to many governmental initiated propaganda events detailed on this site. Until a genuine scholar provide credible evidence demonstrating he existed then my line of thinking will follow the course put forward by the likes of J Atwill who, through his book Caesar's Messiah, puts across a cogent, although as yet not proven, argument he never existed.I, Gestalta wrote:While I agree that "bible code" is flat-out preposterous, arbitrarily concocted and even serves as disinformation, I do have to take issue with the first part of the emboldened statement. Are you insinuating that Jesus did not exist as a historical individual?kickstones wrote:I guess what Hoi wrote, in the previous post, could in many ways, reflect that of the religious myth. Namely the fairy tale of Jesus and the Bible code . A code indoctrinated into conscious thought of many from early age, and constantly reinforced, throughout the human life span, via Hollywood and the like(see list below).
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I've been reading some posts on that blog, and it sounds like an interesting book. I'll buy it when I can afford it, but for now I have a comment or two about the theory he puts foreward and the notion that Christianity is to blame for the success of modern propaganda.I'm no expert on biblical studies, so I have to rely on scholars with more ability in that field to offer me evidence as to the true nature of events. As it stands at the moment, in my mind, there is a high probability that Jesus was a fictional character created by the Roman Empire, to subdue its subjects, lead them into a life of servitude devoid of critical thought. To this day this scheme of things is all apparent as witnessed by mass apathy to many governmental initiated propaganda events detailed on this site. Until a genuine scholar provide credible evidence demonstrating he existed then my line of thinking will follow the course put forward by the likes of J Atwill who, through his book Caesar's Messiah, puts across a cogent, although as yet not proven, argument he never existed.
http://caesarsmessiah.com/blog/2012/10/ ... /#more-214
Another interesting book is Thomas Paine's, The Age of Reason, I have put a few extracts below, or you can read it free online at the link below. Its words kind of mirror my own thoughts, and that, to me, is what it's all about, your own mind and formation of ideas. However, what I will not do is force my opinion on others, for example my children. I can only provide them with a basis, that my logic and the logic of others as helped me to construe, with which to formulate their own ideals. It is then down to their own minds to distinguish between fact and fiction, and what path to take.dblitz wrote:I've been reading some posts on that blog, and it sounds like an interesting book. I'll buy it when I can afford it, but for now I have a comment or two about the theory he puts foreward and the notion that Christianity is to blame for the success of modern propaganda.I'm no expert on biblical studies, so I have to rely on scholars with more ability in that field to offer me evidence as to the true nature of events. As it stands at the moment, in my mind, there is a high probability that Jesus was a fictional character created by the Roman Empire, to subdue its subjects, lead them into a life of servitude devoid of critical thought. To this day this scheme of things is all apparent as witnessed by mass apathy to many governmental initiated propaganda events detailed on this site. Until a genuine scholar provide credible evidence demonstrating he existed then my line of thinking will follow the course put forward by the likes of J Atwill who, through his book Caesar's Messiah, puts across a cogent, although as yet not proven, argument he never existed.
http://caesarsmessiah.com/blog/2012/10/ ... /#more-214
The post that you link to seems to be built on arguing a case against the medieval western European Catholic Church, rather than the Church as it existed in the days of Constantine and the Councils. He claims Constantine's edicts resulted in a Pope who was the authority above the King, but that Papacy only emerged 1000 years after the founding of the Church, and there was never a Pope in the Eastern Roman Empire and to this day, the Orthodox Church, which is completely different to the Catholic religion, still has no Pope and never will. This seems to be a pretty significant omission on the authors part, but, until I read his book, I can't say if it is also omitted there.
I find this a lot in writings meant to discredit Christianity or argue that it was a political tool for enslavement.
Citizenship denotes the link between a person and a state
You can try to redeem your birth certificate what in turn is Dept. of Treasury's asset deposited in the FED as a collateralCTGal1011 wrote:^^ Very good post. If anyone has a good way to get me out of paying my student loans using this...
If I'd only known what I know now before I became an adult.
This should not be treated as a means to escape payment for anything. You must stay in honour, not matter what!CTGal1011 wrote:^^ Very good post. If anyone has a good way to get me out of paying my student loans using this...
If I'd only known what I know now before I became an adult.
I have borrowed plenty money from banks and always paid back my loans to them. If the banks had sold my loans to risk investors, I would not pay back my loans to the risk investors, as I don't know these clowns. I just suggest that the risk investors sell back my loan to my banks and I will pay my banks. KIS - keep it simple.brianv wrote:This should not be treated as a means to escape payment for anything. You must stay in honour, not matter what!CTGal1011 wrote:^^ Very good post. If anyone has a good way to get me out of paying my student loans using this...
If I'd only known what I know now before I became an adult.
You could find out whether your loan was securitised - which means the Bank which issued the loan have sold it to on to risk investors and therefore are being been paid twice. They probably won't have the initial contract which you signed if they have done this. You could ask to see the Contract as a means of surreptitiously finding out.
Make up your mindHeiwa wrote:I have borrowed plenty money from banks and always paid back my loans to them. If the banks had sold my loans to risk investors, I would not pay back my loans to the risk investors, as I don't know these clowns. I just suggest that the risk investors sell back my loan to my banks and I will pay my banks. KIS - keep it simple.brianv wrote:This should not be treated as a means to escape payment for anything. You must stay in honour, not matter what!CTGal1011 wrote:^^ Very good post. If anyone has a good way to get me out of paying my student loans using this...
If I'd only known what I know now before I became an adult.
You could find out whether your loan was securitised - which means the Bank which issued the loan have sold it to on to risk investors and therefore are being been paid twice. They probably won't have the initial contract which you signed if they have done this. You could ask to see the Contract as a means of surreptitiously finding out.
I have also deposited plenty money in my banks. It seems my banks never sells my deposits to risk investors and ask me to recover my deposits from these clowns. I like that. Evidently my bank deposits are minimal. Better to invest in real things.