Anatomy of a Hoax

Questions, speculations & updates on the techniques and nature of media fakery

Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 15th, 2015, 3:41 am

SacredCowSlayer wrote:I just wanted to briefly flesh out the LAX shooting hoax a bit. There are obvious shills on YT saying this victim was a friend and that he bled out before being placed in the wheelchair (thus the extreme white color :lol: ).

The following pictures should speak for themselves.

Good spot to put some fake blood on.
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Looks pretty good for a guy bleeding out.
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And now he has taken a sharp turn for the worse (but his shirt seemed to improve).
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This is a good one for introducing people to media fakery. If they think this looks real then please (for your own sake) move on to someone else.


I need to take a moment to correct the above post that shows the shooting "victim" on the ground and then walking. It was my understanding that he was supposed to be the same guy depicted in the wheelchair. I was mistaken.

It appears that this man is merely an "injured" agent named James Speer, pictured below.

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Please note that his left arm is in a sling. Yes it's the same arm he is holding in the air in my earlier post. So unless he injured that arm in an unrelated and subsequent event, he's obviously faking the injury.

Sorry for not catching this the first time around. But it's important to get these things right, so I don't mind admitting when I've made a mistake.


By the way, the following image is supposed to depict TSA agent Gerardo I. Hernandez, the sole fatality in the "shooting". He is also supposed to be the "person" in the wheelchair.

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Re: 9/11 liars, dupes, shills

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 18th, 2015, 6:39 pm

hoi.polloi wrote:Admitted "liars, dupes and shills" (as written from the perspective of someone with all too much faith in them)

...Or as the conspiracists would say, the "Liars, dupes, and shills" list.

1,500 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene
40,000 people who worked the piles at Ground Zero
55 FBI Evidence Response Teams at Fresh Kills in New York
7,000+ FBI Agents
8,000+ people who worked the scene at the Pentagon
Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, Ph.D., P.E. / Aine M. Brazil, P.E., S.E. / Alan Rosa, P.E., S.E. / Alfred D. Barcenilla, Sr., P.E. / Allan Jowsey, Ph.D. / Allyn Kilsheimer, P.E., S.E. / Amit Bandyopadhyay, S.E. / Amy Zelson Mundorff / Anamaria Bonilla, S.E. / Andre Sidler, P.E., S.E. / Andrei Reinhorn, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Andrew Coats, P.E., S.E. / Andrew McConnell, S.E. / Andrew Mueller-Lust, S.E. / Andrew Pontecorvo, P.E. / Andrew Whittaker, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Anthony Kirk US&R Structural Specialist / Anthony W. Chuliver, S.E. / Antoine E. Naaman, Ph.D. / Antranig M. Ouzoonian, P.E. / Arlan Dobson, FEMA Region 2 DAS / Arthur Schuerman, FDNY (ret.) / Asif Usmani, Ph.D., B.E. / August Domel, Ph.D., S.E., P.E. / Ayhan Irfanoglu, P.E., S.E. / Barbara Lane, Ph.D. / Bernie Denke, P.E. US&R Structural Specialist / Bill Cote / Bill Coulbourne, P.E., S.E. / Bill Crowley, special agent, FBI / Bill Daly, senior vice president, Control Risks Group / Bill Scott (Capt. USAF, Ret.), / Bill Uher, NASA Langley Research Center / Bob Gray (I.U.O.E.) / Bonnie Manley, P.E., S.E. / Boris Hayda, P.E., S.E. / Brian Lyons, Tully / Brian McElhatten, S.E. / Brian Smith (Col.), Chief Deputy Medical Examiner, Dover AFB / Brian Tokarczik, P.E., S.E. / Charles Hirsch, M.D. / Charles J. Carter, P.E., S.E. / Charles Thornton, P.E. / Charlie Vitchers / Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D., Purdue University / Christopher E. Marrion, P.E. / Christopher M. Hewitt, AISC / Christopher N. McCowan / Chuck Guardia, S.E. / Conrad Paulson, P.E., S.E. / Curtis S.D. Massey / D. Stanton Korista, P.E., S.E. / Dan Doyle (IW 40) / Dan Eschenasy, P.E., S.E. / Dan Koch Jr. / Daniel A. Cuoco, P.E / Daniele Veneziano, P.E. / David Biggs, P.E., S.E. / David Cooper, P.E. / David Davidowitz, ConEd / David Hoy, S.E. / David J. Hammond, P.E., S.E. / David Leach, P.E. / David M. Parks, ME / David Newland Sc.D., FREng. / David Peraza, P.E., S.E. / David Ranlet / David Schomburg / David Sharp, S.E. / David T. Biggs, P.E. / Dean Koutsoubis, S.E. / Dean Tills, P.E. / Delbert Boring, P.E. / Dennis Clark (IST) / Dennis Dirkmaat, Ph.D. / Dennis Mileti, Ph.D. / Dennis Smith / Dharam Pal, M.E. / Dick Posthauer, S.E. / Donald Friedman, P.E. / Donald O. Dusenberry, P.E. / Ed Jacoby Jr., NYSEMO / Ed McGinley, P.E. / Ed Plaugher, Chief, Arlington FD / Edward A. Flynn, Arlington Police Chief / Edward M. DePaola, P.E., S.E. / Edward Stinnette, Chief, FCFD / Eiji Fukuzawa / Fahim Sadek, P.E., S.E. / Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Frank Vallebuono, FDNY Battalion Chief / Anthony Varriale, FDNY Captain / Frank Cruthers, FDNY Chief / Frank Fellini, FDNY Chief / Joseph Callan, FDNY Chief / Daniel Nigro, FDNY Chief of Operations / Nick Visconti, FDNY Deputy Chief / Peter Hayden, FDNY Deputy Chief / Sam Melisi, FDNY Firefighter / Forman Williams, Ph.D., P.E. / Francis J. Lombardi, P.E. / Frank Gayle, Sc.D. / Frank Greening, Ph.D. / Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B. / Fred Endrikat, FEMA USAR / Gary Keith, V.P. NFPA / Gary Steficek, S.E. / Gary Tokle, Asst. VP, NFPA / George Tamaro, P.E., S.E. / Gerald Haynes, P.E. / Gerald Wellman US&R Structural Specialist / Glenn Corbett / Graeme Flint / Guy Colonna, P.E., NFPA / Guylene Proulx, Ph.D. / H.S. Lew, P.E., S.E. / Hal Bidlack, Lt. Col. USAF (ret.), Ph.D. / Harold E. Nelson, P.E., FSFP.E. / Harry Martin, AISC / Howard R. Baum, Ph.D., M.E. / J. David Frost, Ph.D., P.E. / J. David McColskey / Jack Brown Deputy Chief Loudoun County (Va.) Fire Rescue Department / Jack Messagno, WTC project Manager (Tully) / Jack Spencer, P.E. / Jacques Grandino, P.E., S.E. / James A. Rossberg, P.E. / James Chastain US&R Structural Specialist / James H. Fahey, S.E. / James J. Cohen, P.E., S.E. / James J. Hauck, P.E., S.E. / James Lord, FSFP.E. / James Milke, Ph.D., P.E. / James Quintiere, Ph.D., P.E. / Jan Szumanski, IUOE / Jason Averill, FSFP.E. / Jeff Rienbold, NPS / Jeffrey Hartman, S.E. / Jim Abadie, Bovis / Joel Meyerowitz / John Fisher, Ph.D., P.E., / John Flynn, P.E. / John Gross, Ph.D., P.E. / John Hodgens, FDNY (ret.) / John J. Healey, Ph.D., P.E. / John J. Zils, P.E., S.E. / John L. Gross, Ph.D., P.E. / John Lekstutis, P.E. / John M. Hanson, Ph.D, P.E. / John McArdle NYPD/ESU (DTC) / John Moran, NYPD/ESU (NTC) / John O'Connell, Chief FDNY / John Odermatt (NYC OEM) / John Ruddy, P.E., S.E. / John Ryan, PAPD / John W. Fisher, P.E. / Jon Magnusson, P.E., S.E. / Jonathan Barnett, Ph.D / Joo-Eun Lee P.E., S.E. / José Torero, Ph.D. / Joseph C. Gehlen, P.E., S.E. / Joseph Englot, P.E., S.E. / Jozef Van Dyck, P.E. / Juan Paulo Morla, S.E. / Karen Damianick, P.E. / Karl Koch III / Karl Koch IV / Kaspar Willam, P.E., S.E. / Keith A. Seffen, MA, Ph.D. / Ken Hays / Kenneth Holden / Kent Watts / Kevin Brennan, OSHA / Kevin Malley, FDNY (ret.) / Kevin Terry, S.E. / Kurt Gustafson, P.E., S.E. / Larry Keating (IW 40) / Lawrence C. Bank, Ph.D., P.E. / Lawrence Griffis, P.E. / Lawrence Novak, P.E., S.E. / Leo J. Titus, P.E. / Leonard M. Joseph, P.E. / Leslie E. Robertson, P.E., S.E. / Long T. Phan, Ph.D., P.E. / Lou Mendes, P.E., S.E. / Louis Errichiello, S.E. / Manny Velivasakis, P.E. / Mark Blair / Mark Kucera, USACE / Mark Pierepiekarz, P.E., S.E. / Mark Stahl / Mark Tamaro, P.E / Mark Volpe, IW 40 / Marty Corcoran / Matthew G. Yerkey, P.E., S.E. / Matthew McCormick, NTSB / Melbourne Garber, P.E., S.E. / Merle E. Brander, P.E. / Mete A. Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. / Michael Burton, P.E. / Michael Dallal / Michael Fagel, Ph.D., CEM / Michael Hessheimer, S.E. / Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D., ATP, CFI / Michael Tylk, P.E., S.E. / Michel Bruneau, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Mike Banker, FDNY Capt. (SOC) / Mike Marscio, P.E. / Miroslav Sulc,, P.E., S.E. / Mohammed Ettouney / Mohammed R. Karim, Ph.D. / Morgan Hurley, FSFP.E. / Nestor Iwankiw, Ph.D., P.E. / Nick Carcich / Norman Groner, Ph.D. / Pablo Lopez, P.E., S.E. / Patrick McNierney, P.E., S.E. / Paul A. Bosela, Ph.D., P.E. / Paul F. Mlakar, Ph.D., P.E. / Paul Sledzik / Paul Tertell, P.E. / Pete Bakersky / Peter Chipchase, S.E. / Peter Rinaldi, P.E. / Phillip Murray, P.E. / Pia Hoffman / Rajani Nair, S.E. / Ralph Castillo, P.E., F.P.E. / Ralph D'Apuzo, P.E. / Ramon Gilsanz, P.E., S.E / Randy Lawson / Raul Maestre, P.E., S.E. / Raymond F. Messer, P.E. / Raymond H.R. Tide, P.E., S.E. / Reidar Bjorhovde, Ph.D., P.E / Richard Bukowski P.E., FSFP.E. / Richard G. Gewain, P.E., S.E. / Richard Gann, Ph.D. / Richard Garlock, P.E., S.E. / Richard J. Fields, Ph.D. / Richard Kahler US&R Structural Specialist / Robert Athanas (thermal imaging specialist, FDNY) / Robert C. Sinn, P.E., S.E. / Robert Clarke, S.E. / Robert F. Duval (NFPA) / Robert Frances US&R Structural Specialist / Robert J. McNamara, P.E., S.E. / Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. / Robert Ratay, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Robert Shaler, M.D. / Robert Smilowitz, Ph.D., P.E / Robert Solomon, P.E. / Robert Wills, AISC / Ron Dokell, president, Demolition Consultants / Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. / Ronald Hamburger, P.E., S.E. / Ronald J. LaMere, P.E. / Ronald Rehm, Ph.D. / Ronald Spadafora, FDNY D.A.C / Ruben M. Zallen, P.E. / Russell "Rusty" Dodge Jr, Asst. Chief, Fort Belvoir FD / Ryan Mackey / S. Shyam Sunder, P.E., S.E. / Saroj Bhol, P.E. / Saw-Teen See, P.E. / Shankar Nair. P.E., S.E. / Shawn Kelly, Arlington County Fire Marshal / Skip Aldous, Lt. Col., U.S. Air Force (Ret.) / Socrates Ioannides, P.E., S.E. / Sonny Scarff / Stan Murphy, P.E. / Stephen Cauffman / Stephen W. Banovic, Ph.D. / Steve Douglass, image analysis consultant / Steve Rasweiler, FDNY B.C. (SOC) / Steve Spall, P.E., S.E. / Stuart Foltz, P.E. / Terry Sullivan, Bovis / Theodore Galambos, P.E. / Theodore Krauthammer, Ph.D., P.E. / Therese P. McAllister, Ph.D., P.E. / Thomas A. Siewert / Thomas Eagar, Sc.D., P.E. / Thomas Hawkins Jr, Chief, AFD / Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D / Thomas Schlafly, AISC / Timothy Foecke, Ph.D. / Todd Curtis, Ph.D / Todd Ude, P.E., S.E. / Tom Scarangello, P.E. / Tom Stanton (IST) / Tomasz Wierzbicki / Tony Beale, P.E. / Valentine Junker / Van Romero, Ph.D. / Venkatesh Kodur, Ph.D., P.E. / Victor Hare, P.E. / Victoria Arbitrio, P.E. / Vincent Dunn, FDNY (ret.) / W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / W. Lee Evey / Wallace Miller / William Baker, P.E., S.E / William E. Luecke, Ph.D. / William Grosshandler, Ph.D., ME / William Howell, P.E., S.E. / William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA / William McGuire, P.E. / Willie Quinlan, IW / Won-Young Kim, Ph.D / Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp. / Yukihiro Omika / Zdenek Bazant, Ph.D., S.E. /
ACE Bermuda Insurance / AEMC Construction / AIG Insurance / Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington / Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue / Allianz Global Risks / American Airlines / American Concrete Institute / American Institute of Steel Construction / American Red Cross / Applied Biosystems Inc. / Applied Research Associates / Arlington County Emergency Medical Services / Arlington County Fire Department / Arlington County Sheriff's Department / Arlington VA Police Department / Armed Forces Institute of Pathology / Armed Forces Institute of Technology Federal Advisory Committee / ARUP USA / Atlantic Heydt Inc. / Bechtel / Berlin Fire Department / Big Apple Wrecking / Blanford & Co. / Bode Technology Group / Bovis Inc. / Building and Construction Trades Council / Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms / C-130H crew in D.C. & Shanksville / Cal Berkeley Engineering Dept. / California Incident Management Team / Carter Burgess Engineering / Celera Genomics / Centers for Disease Control / Central City Fire Department / Central Intelligence Agency / Cleveland Airport control tower / Columbia University Department of Civil Engineering and Engineering Mechanics / Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee / Consolidated Edison Company / Construction Technologies Laboratory / Controlled Demolitions Inc. / Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat / Counterterrorism and Security Group / CTL Engineering / D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc. / DeSimone Consulting Engineers / Dewhurst MacFarlane &Partners / DiSalvo Ericson Engineering / District of Columbia Fire & Rescue / DOD Honor Guard, Pentagon / D'Onofrio Construction / E-4B National Airborne Operations Center crews / Edwards and Kelcey Engineering / Engineering Systems, Inc. / Environmental protection Agency / Exponent Failure Analysis Associates / EYP Mission CriticalFacilities / Fairfax County Fire & Rescue / Falcon 20 crew in PA / Family members who received calls from victims on the planes / FBI Evidence Recovery Teams / Federal Aviation Administration / Federal Bureau of Investigation / Federal Emergency Management Agency / Federal Insurance Co. / FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams: Arizona Task Force 1, California Task Force 1, California Task Force 3, California Task Force 7, Colorado Task Force 1, Fairfax Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 2, Maryland Task Force 1, Massachusetts Task Force 1, Metro Dade/Miami, Nebraska Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, New York Task Force 1, Pennsylvania Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Texas Task Force 1, Utah Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, Washington Task Force 1 / FEMA Disaster Field Office / FEMA Emergency Response Team / FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Incident Support Team-Advanced 3 / Fire Department of New York / Fort Myer Fire Department / French Urban Search & Rescue Task Force / Friedens Volunteer Fire Department / Gateway Demolition / Gene Code Forensics / Georgia Tech Engineering Dept. / Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP / GMAC Financing / Goldstein Associates Consulting Engineers / Guy Nordenson Associates / HAKS Engineers / Hampton-Clarke Inc. / HHS National Medical Response Team / HLW International Engineering / Hooversville Rescue Squad. / Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department / Hoy Structural Services / Hughes Associates, Inc / Hugo Neu Schnitzer East / hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the WTC / Hundreds of New York City Police Department Detectives / Industrial Risk Insurers / Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems / International Association of Fire Chiefs / International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 & 15 / J.R. Harris & Company / Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority / Karl Koch Steel Consulting Inc. / KCE Structural Engineers / Koch Skanska / Koutsoubis, Alonso Associates / Laboratory Corp. of America / Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory / Leslie E. Robertson Associates / LIRo Engineering / Listie Volunteer Fire Company / Lockwood Consulting / M.G. McLaren Engineering / Masonry Society / Mazzocchi Wrecking Inc. / Metal Management Northeast / Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit / Miami-Dade Urban Search & Rescue / Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team / Montgomery County Fire & Rescue / Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers / Murray Engineering / Myriad Genetic Laboratories Inc. / National Center for Biotechnology Informatics / National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States / National Council of Structural Engineers Associations / National Disaster Medical System / National Emergency Numbering Association / National Fire Protection Association / National Guard in D.C., New York, and Pennsylvania / National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) / National Institutes of Health Human Genome Research Institute / National Law Enforcement and Security Institute / National Military Command Center / National Reconnaissance Office / National Response Center / National Science Foundation Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems / National Security Agency / National Transportation Safety Board / National Wrecking / Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center / New Jersey State Police / New York City Department of Buildings WTC Task Force / New York City Department of Design and Construction / New York City Department of Environmental Protection / New York City Office of Emergency Management / New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner / New York City Police Department Aviation Unit / New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit / New York Daily News / New York Flight Control Center / New York Newsday / New York Port Authority Construction Board / New York Port Authority Police / New York State Emergency Management Office / New York State Police Forensic Services / New York Times / North American Aerospace Defense Command / Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders and crew / Numerous bomb-sniffing dogs / Numerous Forensic Anthropologists / Numerous Forensic Dentists / Numerous Forensic Pathologists / Numerous Forensic Radiologists / NuStats / Occupational Safety and Health Administration / Office of Emergency Preparedness / Office of Strategic Services / Orchid Cellmark / Parsons Brinckerhoff Engineering / Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection / Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services / Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group / Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association / Pennsylvania State Police / Pentagon Defense Protective Service / Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team / Pentagon Medical Staff / Pentagon Renovation Team / Phillips & Jordan, Inc. / Port of New York and New Jersey Authority / Pro-Safety Services / Protec / Public Entity Risk Institute / Purdue University Engineering Dept. / Robert Silman Associates Structural Engineers / Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc / Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers / Royal SunAlliance/Royal Indemnity / SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams / SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams / Salvation Army Disaster Services / several EPA Hazmat Teams / several FBI Hazmat Teams / several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams / several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams / Severud Associates Consulting Engineers / Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company / Silverstein Properties / Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Engineers / Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP / Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire / Society of Fire Protection Engineers / Somerset Ambulance Association / Somerset County Coroner's Office / Somerset County Emergency Management Agency / Somerset Volunteer Fire Department / St. Paul/Travelers Insurance / State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency / Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company / Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE) / Structural Engineers Association of New York / Superstructures Engineering / Swiss Re America Insurance / Telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes / Teng & Associates / Thornton-Tomasetti Group, Inc. / TIG Insurance / Tokio Marine & Fire / Transportation Safety Administration / Tully Construction / Twin City Fire Insurance / Tylk Gustafson Reckers Wilson Andrews Engineering / U.S. Army Corps of Engineers / Underwriters Laboratories / Union Wrecking / United Airlines / United States Air National Guard / United States Fire Administration / United States Secret Service / United Steelworkers of America / University of Sheffield Fire Engineering Research / US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County / US Army’s Communications-Electronics Command / US Department of Defense / US Department of Justice / US Department of State / Virginia Beach Fire Department / Virginia Department of Emergency Management / Virginia State Police / Vollmer Associates Engineers / Washington Post / Weeks Marine / Weidlinger Associates / Weiskopf & Pickworth Engineering / Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency / Whitney Contracting / Willis Group Holdings / WJE Structural Engineers / Worcester Polytechnic Institute / World Trade Center security staff / XL Insurance / Yonkers Contracting / York International / Zurich Financial / Zurich Re Risk Engineering


https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/ ... sandindivi

From: https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home (which also cites an old link to NARA's 9/11 commission "investigation" documents, now here: http://www.archives.gov/research/9-11/)

If you look at this list, clearly produced by a "liar, dupe or shill" itself, you will see that a lot of these "names" are not actually names but only organizations said to be involved. A number of them are divisions of police and fire departments in order to fluff up the diversity of organizations and overwhelm by implying a large number of conspirators. The number of combined individuals and names numbers much fewer than I would assume would be involved in a large military-style operation. So it's actually a fairly ironic argument against the idea that there was no conspiracy at work.


It is even worse than all that. I have only gone through a few random names in the list so far, and there are individually named cops of no significance (e.g. John Ryan PAPD), small time insurance companies (e.g. Tokio Marine and Fire), and even completely made up ones like Willie Quinlan IW.

In fact the only reference I could even find regarding "Willie Quinlan IW" is on this list which appears on websites where a shill is trying to shout down anyone who argues (against the official story) the impossible physics of the plane/ collapse imagery on 9/11.

I'm going to slowly go through this list. It could be pointless, but I have to wonder if there is a trail in there somewhere that could lead to something.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 19th, 2015, 3:50 am

I was digging into some Columbine materials, and I came across this article http://www1.cbn.com/700club/face-death- ... e-shooting.

The following excerpt sort of jumped out at me as being one of those tragic ironies worthy of a "hoax indicator". There is also a "you've got to be kidding me" story in there that I thought was worth including.

GORDON ROBERTSON: One of the bullets actually went through a journal she had. There is a bullet hole in it. She had that journal with her. In the journal was a prayer for one of the boys who killed her. What was she praying for?

CRAIG SCOTT: Rachel had a mission in Columbine, and that was to reach out to the unreached. She had that journal as well as another journal in her backpack, which included a powerful drawing that she drew. I believe it was also prophetic.

GORDON ROBERTSON: We have it on the screen right now. It is a flower, a rose.

CRAIG SCOTT: That picture was drawn less than an hour before she was killed. There are 13 teardrops and there were 13 victims that day. When she drew that picture, a friend says she was drawing it in class and wouldn't look up. She then came up to her teacher and showed her the picture. The last thing that she said to the teacher was 'People are going to know who I am some day.' The bell rang and she left class, and that was the last time the teacher ever saw her. That rose that she drew she also drew in another picture growing out of a Columbine flower. God spoke to my dad when he first saw that journal in her backpack, saying that they were not only Rachel's tears, but they were God's tears and they were crying for what happened at Columbine. The rose represented the generation of today and they were growing spiritually from what happened at Columbine.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby Apache on October 24th, 2015, 3:21 pm

I'd add undated and unsigned witness statements (Columbine).

Autopsies with no time and date of death on them (Waco).

Lack of proper forensic investigators on the scene, lack of blood markers, crime scene tape, blood splatter analysis, lack of fingertip searches and no correct chain of evidence procedures.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 25th, 2015, 6:17 pm

Apache wrote:I'd add undated and unsigned witness statements (Columbine).

Autopsies with no time and date of death on them (Waco).

Lack of proper forensic investigators on the scene, lack of blood markers, crime scene tape, blood splatter analysis, lack of fingertip searches and no correct chain of evidence procedures.


Apache,

It sounds like you have done some deep digging into Columbine and Waco. If you interested in adding to the existing research I'm game for joining you.

The Columbine event is combined with Virginia Tech here http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... e#p1906047.

I have recently been looking back at the OKC Bombing. Since the government's story is predicated on the Waco event, it may be prudent to combine Waco and OKC into a new topic. I'm interested in suggestions. We can take this conversation to the "chatbox" if need be.

Feel free to PM me or send an email to SacredCowSlayer@gmail.com.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby hoi.polloi on October 26th, 2015, 1:19 am

The "Oklahoma City Bombing" may be separate now that the Columbine/Virginia Tech thing has been almost irrevocably lumped together. Please do add to those topics! Thanks folks! I'll start a thread for OCB and Waco: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1844.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby Apache on October 26th, 2015, 11:03 am

SacredCowSlayer wrote:It sounds like you have done some deep digging into Columbine and Waco. If you interested in adding to the existing research I'm game for joining you.


Yes, I have research on the above, most particularly witness statements. I will have to read the threads on the research done so far. As I'm new I also didn't want to wade in and post what I have without first doing my homework on what has already been covered. I have hundreds of pages of "notes" and hundreds of pages of analysed witness statements from larger faked events such as 9/11 and 7/7, but my research on Waco, Columbine and OKC is not as large as that and I will have to look through it again to see if there are any sections of value.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby Selene on November 19th, 2015, 7:26 pm

ICfreely wrote:P.S.
Selene,
Welcome back, comrade!


The friendly welcome words of ICfreely "obliged" me to react once more and I think this is a good place.
Thank you and no hard feelings at all about Hoaxosaurus hornerii and Manipuliraptor mickeymakesnosensis. :lol:

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With the latest Hoax Théatrale de Bataclan, Paris under our radar, it may be an idea to analyse the Anatomy of one of the main weapons of a Hoax; images. The so-called water-tight proof that it all happened. After all, Cluesforum is founded on image analysis.

Being an amateur, but trained by the sharp observers here, I wanted to share my analysis of the Anatomy of the Hoaxed "Photo" supposedly but not really at the Bataclan theatre in Paris.

The image has been shown a couple of times in the Paris thread but keeps intriguing as the anatomy to a non-medical professional like me is already so easy to spot.

I am curious to hear the many points I missed.

Image

My analysis - select text to make readable
- the first thing that pops up is the source: "BestImage/Vantagenews.com". Not "BestPhoto"!
- the "photo" (it is what it is; an image, not a photo) is composed of two main parts: the sharp well-lit faces and upper bodies in the foreground; the forecrowd, and the background; a hazy array of things that don't make sense
- the background is the easiest to see the flaws in; it is not a real 3D situation:
- Impossible angles are between the columns
- all the "people" are 2D, flat, as promo material for movies
- that is especially visible in the "entrance" area where the "people" are all standing side by side; flat like a pancake
- the edge of the background and foreground have been indicated in the picture analysis in the Paris thread; the middle ground, where many people should have been in a theatre of this size is completely missing; enhancing the effect of the separate background and foreground

- with these two parts it may be a green screen set-up (background projected and the people in the foreground are all real (just not in the theatre)
- but, all the convincing arguments outlined in the Paris topic, especially by Painterman* and the "artefacts"/glitches and copied found are enough to conclude that also that part is a composition of individual members, unrelated and not showing any social coherence with each other
- note that nobody is using a mobile phone; very strange for a boring moment as this must have been
- more high improbabilities by simon in a slightly different "image" here **

- so it becomes a collage of individual fore-ground figures and the background that in case of no green screen just as 2D is as a projection or gigantic printed photo of the theatre; the lack of 3D is obvious.


In the Paris "attacks" there must be many many more topic-worthy anatomypical hoax parts.

The "hero story" is always there. The "this-is-so-unbelievable-but-this-is-really-truly-what-happened-award" for me, deliberately uninformed, goes to the "smart"phone stopping bullet story.

When do we get a "smart"phone that stops (this) bullshit? :unsure:

Selene

* Painterman about the (lack of) group psychology of the "set-up"
** Simon about the many Devil/Metal signs
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on November 20th, 2015, 4:16 am

Dear Selene,

I have no doubt you have some very insightful things to say and I always enjoy your analysis. But I have to tell you I cannot read those light yellow letters against that light background. I have to think you intended something else. Please, any dark color will do just fine :P . And yes welcome back! :)

Okay now that I've picked on Selene I'll try to add something to the topic. Obviously the whole Paris "attack" was a nasty psyop. That's nothing new. But now that we are a few days removed we finally get to line up the horrendous crisis actors for review.

It seems to me that the script is every bit as revealing as the faked images. The video below has what I consider to be perhaps the worst (at least top 5) and most unbelievable acting job and narrative that I have seen. It is truly an amazing spectacle. The theme of "love is stronger than hate" that we saw in the Charleston hoax (and peppered thought other hoaxes like Oregon community college and the Virginia reporter "on-air shooting") is shamelessly being recycled here. And of course we have the anti gun bit plugged at the end of this obscene "interview".


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Fg-3AbJjI
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby Flabbergasted on November 20th, 2015, 5:05 am

SacredCowSlayer wrote:It is truly an amazing spectacle.

Obscene, really.

Are my tired eyes playing tricks on me or has CIA Anderson Pooper been upgraded to playstation quality?
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby starfish prime on November 20th, 2015, 6:26 am

I have also seen a lot of the passive victim "ready to die" mentality being promoted by the Paris crisis actors:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp1ozT_deoo

I assume this conversation he was having with his friends was shouted over the screams and gunfire? Why would they lay down, instead of running away? Last time I checked, dead bodies are not an ideal source of cover. And in contrast to the helpless populace (desperately in need of "protection"), the terrorist/spree killers are always expert assassins, randomly murdering with methodical precision. According to Bataclan "survivor" Julien Pearce:

"They were not moving," he said of the gunmen. "They were just standing at the back of the concert room and shooting at us. Like if we were birds."

"It was a bloodbath," Pearce says.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/europe/bataclan-paris-shooting-witness/

There is also the idea of "lining people up" and systematically executing them:

More than 100 people were reported to have died at the venue as terrorists lined up music fans and killed them 'one by one' before detonating their suicide vests as French special forces stormed in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3318075/California-band-Eagles-Death-Metal-searching-crew-members-100-people-massacred-concert-Paris-terror-attack.html

Strange how similar this sounds to the recent Oregon hoax:

Family members and victims told CNN and other media the gunman lined up students and asked them if they were Christian. Those who answered "yes" were shot in the head.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/02/us-usa-shooting-oregon-suspect-idUSKCN0RW0C020151002
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby starfish prime on November 20th, 2015, 7:30 pm

Selene wrote:But in this hoax image anatomy class with new data (the "Devil sign image" posted by Simon, linked above), the full CGI option to me seems less certain, there are some strong arguments however.

Not indicated in the image, musings
- the background of the right image is much clearer (sharper) than of the left image. The haziness is in both images. In a real situation there wouldn't be so much difference in sharpness; a good photographer captures that as sharp as the camera allows. With a moving background (3D video projected on 2D) that becomes harder; snapping just when the video frames are not moving creating an unsharp shot...
- the flat, slightly curved, 2D background is obvious to me in both photos. It appears when looking at the "crowd" standing in the exit, the columns with impossibly distorted angles (esp. right image) and zooming in on the people standing there (and moving between the two images); the haziness of the background and the spotlighted crowd also marks the difference
- the missing middle ground people is also obvious. If this were really in that Bataclan theatre with some 70 people in the fore ground and some 100 in the background, where are the 70-100 people in the middle ground? They are not in either image and there's also no gap between the foreground and background indicating that they are really not there
- the combination of these effects enhances the difference between foreground and background even more; flat 2D + lighting/sharpness difference + missing middle ground = no real 3D live theatre situation = no photo of a real event

Advice needed
- I see both and conflicting clues for "green screen" (people in a studio with moving 3D-2D images projected on a flat or slightly curved -the distortions are too strange- background) and full CGI; pasted in people who really don't seem to be there
- if the argument for CGI in the right image is "lack of group psychology" then that same argument becomes one for "people in a studio" in the left image, but then still some people stand out (indicated)
- that the same guy who is an argument for B; CGI, pasted in people, the guy with the white glasses is also the argument for A; people in a studio as he appears in both images in a different position is what I'm struggling with...

By the way
- to anyone who has been to a concert: how big is the chance that out of ~70 people there's only 1 (?) with a beer (or drink whatsoever)??
- and nobody peddling with mobile phones? Not even in the bored moment image on the right?
- pardon my profound desinterest in this Paris hoax, but who are these people? They are the vicsims? And simvivors? Did the clothing of these 'photos' exactly match those on their 'bodies', Sr. Maigret? And those in the 'background'? Lucky simvivors to tell crazy stories?
- where are the blue-white stripes? :unsure:

Any anatomy professors in the room (without 'bluesy garage rock', 'bullets' and bullshit) to help me out here?

Selene


Thank you for your analysis, Selene. I guess your comment about "bluesy garage rock" is a dig at me? (This is simply how they are characterized on their Wackypedia page... I think music genre conventions are generally pointless, and only mentioned it because people kept characterizing it as a "heavy metal" concert, theoretically inhabited with metalheads, when the band is actually intended as a parody of them). I will admit that I am relatively new to media fakery, and so was hesitant to embrace the idea of a complete hoax until I personally felt there was enough evidence to assess the situation. I suspected it might have been a genuine (admittedly shitty) concert used as a setting for some kind of live drill involving crisis actors, but these photos suggest complete fabrication.

I personally think the images are entirely CGI. The depth of field is wrong. Some parts of the foreground almost look realistic, but they inserted too many people, in what I assume was an attempt to make the image look less flat, but which actually seems to have made the problem worse. For example, in the 2nd image, the guy with curly blond hair and glasses (whom you linked with a yellow line) looks like he is conjoined at the head with the short-haired blond guy behind him. In the first photo, the short-haired blond guy looks like he is a miniature in comparison to the people in the front row. The man to his right looks like he is leaning his back against the shoulder of the guy who is making a toast with no one. I think these are either composites made with people photographed from multiple angles, or some kind of vicsim modeling software.

These are also alleged photographs of the EODM concert:
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12000988/bataclan-eagles-of-death-metal-paris-attacks-isil-picture.html

These look a little more realistic to me. You can see the back of plaid shirt guy. But still there is that flatness. In the last image, the head of the person (behind plaid shirt guy) with long blondish hair (possibly the "old guy" from your 2nd image) seems to end very abruptly behind those two raised arms. The black-haired head to the left of him does not make sense either. It looks like the guy in the short-sleeve shirt is rubbing his bicep against it. And how could a body fit in that location, so close to the long-haired person?

Seeing as how the Bataclan Theatre supposedly had a full bar, I see there being approximately 0% chance that there would be only one guy with a drink, and unless EODM have some kind of "no cell phones" policy at their shows, the complete lack of cell phones is ridiculous (Edit: these "distressing images" show a few people photographing the band with cell phones, but that only makes their complete absence in other images even more bizarre: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/paris-terror-attacks-bataclan-photos-6844789)
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby Selene on November 20th, 2015, 8:10 pm

Thank you and you're right in your observations, I humbly think.
I should have mentioned the "artefacts" I found myself in the 2nd image before... They are also a strong argument for full CGI.

Thanks for the images too. Deliberately shielding myself off from the story everything that appears here is new to me. A new experience, but I like it much better.

I agree; the images look much more that of a real concert including the smoky ambiance all around (and not restricted to a background). But your blonde hair guy comments do make perfect sense. Again he's the odd one out.

And, in none of the other pictures I have seen a camera mounted on the ceiling that can take photos at this angle of the stage and singer (image 2 and 3). They could have used drones or better sticks, but the position from where "Marion Rus" "shot" those "photos" (from a 2D impossibly angled balcony? :rolleyes: ) remains unclear to me for now. New images may clear up more?

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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby Apache on November 21st, 2015, 9:46 am

Selene wrote:By the way
- to anyone who has been to a concert: how big is the chance that out of ~70 people there's only 1 (?) with a beer (or drink whatsoever)??


Following up on the chances of only 1 person with a beer - how about no girl on any guy's shoulders?

I have been to a lot of concerts, mostly rock and/or metal gigs. I might be out of touch as I haven't been to a gig for over a decade but in my experience there was always some girl on a guy's shoulders blocking the bloody view, especially if there were a lot of people. Was the Eagles of Death Metal gig an exception? Did security go around telling all the girls NOT to get on their boyfriend's shoulders in some sort of weird French health and safety law?
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on March 29th, 2016, 11:36 pm

Peekay has nailed it here. Yes indeed "they" ARE laughing at us. And it is disgusting.

This video contains brief clips of amazingly happy people that are supposed to have just directly experienced the worst horrors imaginable. It begins with Sandy Hook, then Brussels, and finally the Naval Shipyard "shooting".


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raYUIf2qR9U


I'm not sure I can take hearing anymore about how "people all grieve differently". These psychopaths all grieve the same from what I can tell.

Note to mods: I wasn't sure whether to put this here or the Brussels thread. Perhaps both are appropriate?
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