Anatomy of a Hoax

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Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 4th, 2015, 3:49 pm

The purpose of this topic is to begin a collaborative work that sets out to identify a list of Hoax indicators. This list will likely be an ongoing work, and will never be complete. I believe it may serve as a good way to introduce people to media fakery.

Before I begin, I will give the dictionary definition of Hoax, and then my own definition that I believe more accurately describes the use of the word as it pertains to media fakery.

Hoax (Dictionary version)- Something intended to deceive.

Hoax (my version)- A staged or prefabricated event where agents/actors carry out their assigned roles in a storyline that is treated by the media and government as reality.

The list I have come up with so far includes what I believe are indicators or markers of a Hoax as I've defined it. I'm sure there are plenty missing, and I look forward to adding others to it as this thread hopefully develops.

They include (in no particular order at this point):

The appearance of a clothed Dummy (the non human kind :lol: )

LAX Shooting Hoax
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Family members of victims interviewed on the same day at the event;

Andy Parker- WDBJ Shooting Hoax (Does this look like a man whose daughter was just murdered?)
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Family members smiling and/or laughing (no tears or red/swollen eyes);

Robbie Parker at the Sandy Hoax Event :D
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Staged photos of people hugging :puke: ;

Charleston Hoax
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Oregon Community College (Sometimes we get treated to hugs AND smiles :) )
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Aurora Shooting Hoax (I bet that lady in the background is smiling because the cameraman is on a ladder :lol: )
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Handful of photos and looped video footage (often less than 30 seconds) of parking lots (with numerous parked emergency vehicles) recycled by the news during "Live" coverage;

No actual chaos can be observed (only talk of it);

Shooter/ perp is identified along with his picture and online profile before the end of the day;

Pictures of the shooter posed with props;

Charleston Sim Shooter Dylann Storm Roof (one of my favorite ridiculous "photos" :P )
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Family of victims talking about "community coming together";

Witnesses on the same day discussing scary gun/ bullet/ magazine size details;

Law enforcement dressed in formal official ceremony uniforms;

Reports of tragic ironies :rolleyes: (eg. Ballerina gets leg blown off);

Hero stories;

Large numbers of emergency vehicles doing absolutely nothing;

Photoshopped pictures of victims and the shooter;

Very few photo's available of victims and perpetrator, often low resolution or even black & white;

Sandy Hoax Sim Shooter Adam Lanza :wacko: (just pitiful)
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Casualties not included in official crime statistics;

Red, yellow, and green triage mats are set up but never used;

Sandy Hook (26 dead people inside? Yeah ok :rolleyes: )
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LAX Hoax (the poor dummy didn't get to try out the red mat :o )
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The governor and president both speak within hours of the event with the latter shamelessly pimping gun control;

Comments on social media made before the event began;

WDBJ Shooting Hoax (Event was at 6:45 AM EST)

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Memorial/ fundraiser pages set up either prior to or contemporaneous with the event. (Here is a classic from Sandy Hook)

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At some point I will be putting this list into a spreadsheet.

Note: Edits are to add images (examples)
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby Selene on October 4th, 2015, 4:04 pm

Nice iniative, and combined with Senecas proposal for a wiki a good start imho.

For me the most obvious indicator is:

Contrary to serious (police) investigations the hoax stories do not grow with time based on new clues and thorough research yet are dumped onto the plates of the viewers and readers showing the prefabrication of them. Real tragic events take time to unveil. The microwaved crappy hoax stories do not, leaving us to discover the sloppy contradictions.

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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 4th, 2015, 4:11 pm

Yes that is a good point. In real life we don't get all the answers in 24 hours like we do with all these staged events.
Quick question for you. Should I edit my own post to add things? Or simply reply to post?
I want to follow protocol.
Thanks for the feedback. :)
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby Selene on October 4th, 2015, 4:20 pm

SacredCowSlayer wrote:Yes that is a good point. In real life we don't get all the answers in 24 hours like we do with all these staged events.
Quick question for you. Should I edit my own post to add things? Or simply reply to post?
I want to follow protocol.
Thanks for the feedback. :)

My only protocol is spreading information and increase critical thinking and respect for morality into my world. I'd say; your initiative, your call for lay-out. ;)

Examples and reference links to the vault of established research on CluesForum itself really make the difference in the end.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby Seneca on October 4th, 2015, 9:06 pm

Selene wrote:Nice iniative, and combined with Senecas proposal for a wiki a good start imho.

Yes, good initiative. Actually Brianv proposed the wiki before me.
SacredCowSlayer wrote:Should I edit my own post to add things? Or simply reply to post?
I want to follow protocol.

You will find out that you can only edit your posts for a limited amount of time. Another element you can add: Very few photo's available of victims and perpetrator, often low resolution or even black & white.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 4th, 2015, 9:10 pm

Seneca wrote:
Selene wrote:Nice iniative, and combined with Senecas proposal for a wiki a good start imho.

Yes, good initiative. Actually Brianv proposed the wiki before me.
SacredCowSlayer wrote:Should I edit my own post to add things? Or simply reply to post?
I want to follow protocol.

You will find out that you can only edit your posts for a limited amount of time. Another element you can add: Very few photo's available of victims and perpetrator, often low resolution or even black & white.


That is well worth spelling out. Thanks, I'll put it right above Lanza boy.
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9/11 liars, dupes, shills

Postby hoi.polloi on October 5th, 2015, 12:44 am

Admitted "liars, dupes and shills" (as written from the perspective of someone with all too much faith in them)

...Or as the conspiracists would say, the "Liars, dupes, and shills" list.

1,500 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene
40,000 people who worked the piles at Ground Zero
55 FBI Evidence Response Teams at Fresh Kills in New York
7,000+ FBI Agents
8,000+ people who worked the scene at the Pentagon
Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, Ph.D., P.E. / Aine M. Brazil, P.E., S.E. / Alan Rosa, P.E., S.E. / Alfred D. Barcenilla, Sr., P.E. / Allan Jowsey, Ph.D. / Allyn Kilsheimer, P.E., S.E. / Amit Bandyopadhyay, S.E. / Amy Zelson Mundorff / Anamaria Bonilla, S.E. / Andre Sidler, P.E., S.E. / Andrei Reinhorn, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Andrew Coats, P.E., S.E. / Andrew McConnell, S.E. / Andrew Mueller-Lust, S.E. / Andrew Pontecorvo, P.E. / Andrew Whittaker, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Anthony Kirk US&R Structural Specialist / Anthony W. Chuliver, S.E. / Antoine E. Naaman, Ph.D. / Antranig M. Ouzoonian, P.E. / Arlan Dobson, FEMA Region 2 DAS / Arthur Schuerman, FDNY (ret.) / Asif Usmani, Ph.D., B.E. / August Domel, Ph.D., S.E., P.E. / Ayhan Irfanoglu, P.E., S.E. / Barbara Lane, Ph.D. / Bernie Denke, P.E. US&R Structural Specialist / Bill Cote / Bill Coulbourne, P.E., S.E. / Bill Crowley, special agent, FBI / Bill Daly, senior vice president, Control Risks Group / Bill Scott (Capt. USAF, Ret.), / Bill Uher, NASA Langley Research Center / Bob Gray (I.U.O.E.) / Bonnie Manley, P.E., S.E. / Boris Hayda, P.E., S.E. / Brian Lyons, Tully / Brian McElhatten, S.E. / Brian Smith (Col.), Chief Deputy Medical Examiner, Dover AFB / Brian Tokarczik, P.E., S.E. / Charles Hirsch, M.D. / Charles J. Carter, P.E., S.E. / Charles Thornton, P.E. / Charlie Vitchers / Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D., Purdue University / Christopher E. Marrion, P.E. / Christopher M. Hewitt, AISC / Christopher N. McCowan / Chuck Guardia, S.E. / Conrad Paulson, P.E., S.E. / Curtis S.D. Massey / D. Stanton Korista, P.E., S.E. / Dan Doyle (IW 40) / Dan Eschenasy, P.E., S.E. / Dan Koch Jr. / Daniel A. Cuoco, P.E / Daniele Veneziano, P.E. / David Biggs, P.E., S.E. / David Cooper, P.E. / David Davidowitz, ConEd / David Hoy, S.E. / David J. Hammond, P.E., S.E. / David Leach, P.E. / David M. Parks, ME / David Newland Sc.D., FREng. / David Peraza, P.E., S.E. / David Ranlet / David Schomburg / David Sharp, S.E. / David T. Biggs, P.E. / Dean Koutsoubis, S.E. / Dean Tills, P.E. / Delbert Boring, P.E. / Dennis Clark (IST) / Dennis Dirkmaat, Ph.D. / Dennis Mileti, Ph.D. / Dennis Smith / Dharam Pal, M.E. / Dick Posthauer, S.E. / Donald Friedman, P.E. / Donald O. Dusenberry, P.E. / Ed Jacoby Jr., NYSEMO / Ed McGinley, P.E. / Ed Plaugher, Chief, Arlington FD / Edward A. Flynn, Arlington Police Chief / Edward M. DePaola, P.E., S.E. / Edward Stinnette, Chief, FCFD / Eiji Fukuzawa / Fahim Sadek, P.E., S.E. / Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Frank Vallebuono, FDNY Battalion Chief / Anthony Varriale, FDNY Captain / Frank Cruthers, FDNY Chief / Frank Fellini, FDNY Chief / Joseph Callan, FDNY Chief / Daniel Nigro, FDNY Chief of Operations / Nick Visconti, FDNY Deputy Chief / Peter Hayden, FDNY Deputy Chief / Sam Melisi, FDNY Firefighter / Forman Williams, Ph.D., P.E. / Francis J. Lombardi, P.E. / Frank Gayle, Sc.D. / Frank Greening, Ph.D. / Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B. / Fred Endrikat, FEMA USAR / Gary Keith, V.P. NFPA / Gary Steficek, S.E. / Gary Tokle, Asst. VP, NFPA / George Tamaro, P.E., S.E. / Gerald Haynes, P.E. / Gerald Wellman US&R Structural Specialist / Glenn Corbett / Graeme Flint / Guy Colonna, P.E., NFPA / Guylene Proulx, Ph.D. / H.S. Lew, P.E., S.E. / Hal Bidlack, Lt. Col. USAF (ret.), Ph.D. / Harold E. Nelson, P.E., FSFP.E. / Harry Martin, AISC / Howard R. Baum, Ph.D., M.E. / J. David Frost, Ph.D., P.E. / J. David McColskey / Jack Brown Deputy Chief Loudoun County (Va.) Fire Rescue Department / Jack Messagno, WTC project Manager (Tully) / Jack Spencer, P.E. / Jacques Grandino, P.E., S.E. / James A. Rossberg, P.E. / James Chastain US&R Structural Specialist / James H. Fahey, S.E. / James J. Cohen, P.E., S.E. / James J. Hauck, P.E., S.E. / James Lord, FSFP.E. / James Milke, Ph.D., P.E. / James Quintiere, Ph.D., P.E. / Jan Szumanski, IUOE / Jason Averill, FSFP.E. / Jeff Rienbold, NPS / Jeffrey Hartman, S.E. / Jim Abadie, Bovis / Joel Meyerowitz / John Fisher, Ph.D., P.E., / John Flynn, P.E. / John Gross, Ph.D., P.E. / John Hodgens, FDNY (ret.) / John J. Healey, Ph.D., P.E. / John J. Zils, P.E., S.E. / John L. Gross, Ph.D., P.E. / John Lekstutis, P.E. / John M. Hanson, Ph.D, P.E. / John McArdle NYPD/ESU (DTC) / John Moran, NYPD/ESU (NTC) / John O'Connell, Chief FDNY / John Odermatt (NYC OEM) / John Ruddy, P.E., S.E. / John Ryan, PAPD / John W. Fisher, P.E. / Jon Magnusson, P.E., S.E. / Jonathan Barnett, Ph.D / Joo-Eun Lee P.E., S.E. / José Torero, Ph.D. / Joseph C. Gehlen, P.E., S.E. / Joseph Englot, P.E., S.E. / Jozef Van Dyck, P.E. / Juan Paulo Morla, S.E. / Karen Damianick, P.E. / Karl Koch III / Karl Koch IV / Kaspar Willam, P.E., S.E. / Keith A. Seffen, MA, Ph.D. / Ken Hays / Kenneth Holden / Kent Watts / Kevin Brennan, OSHA / Kevin Malley, FDNY (ret.) / Kevin Terry, S.E. / Kurt Gustafson, P.E., S.E. / Larry Keating (IW 40) / Lawrence C. Bank, Ph.D., P.E. / Lawrence Griffis, P.E. / Lawrence Novak, P.E., S.E. / Leo J. Titus, P.E. / Leonard M. Joseph, P.E. / Leslie E. Robertson, P.E., S.E. / Long T. Phan, Ph.D., P.E. / Lou Mendes, P.E., S.E. / Louis Errichiello, S.E. / Manny Velivasakis, P.E. / Mark Blair / Mark Kucera, USACE / Mark Pierepiekarz, P.E., S.E. / Mark Stahl / Mark Tamaro, P.E / Mark Volpe, IW 40 / Marty Corcoran / Matthew G. Yerkey, P.E., S.E. / Matthew McCormick, NTSB / Melbourne Garber, P.E., S.E. / Merle E. Brander, P.E. / Mete A. Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. / Michael Burton, P.E. / Michael Dallal / Michael Fagel, Ph.D., CEM / Michael Hessheimer, S.E. / Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D., ATP, CFI / Michael Tylk, P.E., S.E. / Michel Bruneau, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Mike Banker, FDNY Capt. (SOC) / Mike Marscio, P.E. / Miroslav Sulc,, P.E., S.E. / Mohammed Ettouney / Mohammed R. Karim, Ph.D. / Morgan Hurley, FSFP.E. / Nestor Iwankiw, Ph.D., P.E. / Nick Carcich / Norman Groner, Ph.D. / Pablo Lopez, P.E., S.E. / Patrick McNierney, P.E., S.E. / Paul A. Bosela, Ph.D., P.E. / Paul F. Mlakar, Ph.D., P.E. / Paul Sledzik / Paul Tertell, P.E. / Pete Bakersky / Peter Chipchase, S.E. / Peter Rinaldi, P.E. / Phillip Murray, P.E. / Pia Hoffman / Rajani Nair, S.E. / Ralph Castillo, P.E., F.P.E. / Ralph D'Apuzo, P.E. / Ramon Gilsanz, P.E., S.E / Randy Lawson / Raul Maestre, P.E., S.E. / Raymond F. Messer, P.E. / Raymond H.R. Tide, P.E., S.E. / Reidar Bjorhovde, Ph.D., P.E / Richard Bukowski P.E., FSFP.E. / Richard G. Gewain, P.E., S.E. / Richard Gann, Ph.D. / Richard Garlock, P.E., S.E. / Richard J. Fields, Ph.D. / Richard Kahler US&R Structural Specialist / Robert Athanas (thermal imaging specialist, FDNY) / Robert C. Sinn, P.E., S.E. / Robert Clarke, S.E. / Robert F. Duval (NFPA) / Robert Frances US&R Structural Specialist / Robert J. McNamara, P.E., S.E. / Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. / Robert Ratay, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Robert Shaler, M.D. / Robert Smilowitz, Ph.D., P.E / Robert Solomon, P.E. / Robert Wills, AISC / Ron Dokell, president, Demolition Consultants / Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. / Ronald Hamburger, P.E., S.E. / Ronald J. LaMere, P.E. / Ronald Rehm, Ph.D. / Ronald Spadafora, FDNY D.A.C / Ruben M. Zallen, P.E. / Russell "Rusty" Dodge Jr, Asst. Chief, Fort Belvoir FD / Ryan Mackey / S. Shyam Sunder, P.E., S.E. / Saroj Bhol, P.E. / Saw-Teen See, P.E. / Shankar Nair. P.E., S.E. / Shawn Kelly, Arlington County Fire Marshal / Skip Aldous, Lt. Col., U.S. Air Force (Ret.) / Socrates Ioannides, P.E., S.E. / Sonny Scarff / Stan Murphy, P.E. / Stephen Cauffman / Stephen W. Banovic, Ph.D. / Steve Douglass, image analysis consultant / Steve Rasweiler, FDNY B.C. (SOC) / Steve Spall, P.E., S.E. / Stuart Foltz, P.E. / Terry Sullivan, Bovis / Theodore Galambos, P.E. / Theodore Krauthammer, Ph.D., P.E. / Therese P. McAllister, Ph.D., P.E. / Thomas A. Siewert / Thomas Eagar, Sc.D., P.E. / Thomas Hawkins Jr, Chief, AFD / Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D / Thomas Schlafly, AISC / Timothy Foecke, Ph.D. / Todd Curtis, Ph.D / Todd Ude, P.E., S.E. / Tom Scarangello, P.E. / Tom Stanton (IST) / Tomasz Wierzbicki / Tony Beale, P.E. / Valentine Junker / Van Romero, Ph.D. / Venkatesh Kodur, Ph.D., P.E. / Victor Hare, P.E. / Victoria Arbitrio, P.E. / Vincent Dunn, FDNY (ret.) / W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / W. Lee Evey / Wallace Miller / William Baker, P.E., S.E / William E. Luecke, Ph.D. / William Grosshandler, Ph.D., ME / William Howell, P.E., S.E. / William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA / William McGuire, P.E. / Willie Quinlan, IW / Won-Young Kim, Ph.D / Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp. / Yukihiro Omika / Zdenek Bazant, Ph.D., S.E. /
ACE Bermuda Insurance / AEMC Construction / AIG Insurance / Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington / Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue / Allianz Global Risks / American Airlines / American Concrete Institute / American Institute of Steel Construction / American Red Cross / Applied Biosystems Inc. / Applied Research Associates / Arlington County Emergency Medical Services / Arlington County Fire Department / Arlington County Sheriff's Department / Arlington VA Police Department / Armed Forces Institute of Pathology / Armed Forces Institute of Technology Federal Advisory Committee / ARUP USA / Atlantic Heydt Inc. / Bechtel / Berlin Fire Department / Big Apple Wrecking / Blanford & Co. / Bode Technology Group / Bovis Inc. / Building and Construction Trades Council / Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms / C-130H crew in D.C. & Shanksville / Cal Berkeley Engineering Dept. / California Incident Management Team / Carter Burgess Engineering / Celera Genomics / Centers for Disease Control / Central City Fire Department / Central Intelligence Agency / Cleveland Airport control tower / Columbia University Department of Civil Engineering and Engineering Mechanics / Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee / Consolidated Edison Company / Construction Technologies Laboratory / Controlled Demolitions Inc. / Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat / Counterterrorism and Security Group / CTL Engineering / D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc. / DeSimone Consulting Engineers / Dewhurst MacFarlane &Partners / DiSalvo Ericson Engineering / District of Columbia Fire & Rescue / DOD Honor Guard, Pentagon / D'Onofrio Construction / E-4B National Airborne Operations Center crews / Edwards and Kelcey Engineering / Engineering Systems, Inc. / Environmental protection Agency / Exponent Failure Analysis Associates / EYP Mission CriticalFacilities / Fairfax County Fire & Rescue / Falcon 20 crew in PA / Family members who received calls from victims on the planes / FBI Evidence Recovery Teams / Federal Aviation Administration / Federal Bureau of Investigation / Federal Emergency Management Agency / Federal Insurance Co. / FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams: Arizona Task Force 1, California Task Force 1, California Task Force 3, California Task Force 7, Colorado Task Force 1, Fairfax Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 2, Maryland Task Force 1, Massachusetts Task Force 1, Metro Dade/Miami, Nebraska Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, New York Task Force 1, Pennsylvania Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Texas Task Force 1, Utah Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, Washington Task Force 1 / FEMA Disaster Field Office / FEMA Emergency Response Team / FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Incident Support Team-Advanced 3 / Fire Department of New York / Fort Myer Fire Department / French Urban Search & Rescue Task Force / Friedens Volunteer Fire Department / Gateway Demolition / Gene Code Forensics / Georgia Tech Engineering Dept. / Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP / GMAC Financing / Goldstein Associates Consulting Engineers / Guy Nordenson Associates / HAKS Engineers / Hampton-Clarke Inc. / HHS National Medical Response Team / HLW International Engineering / Hooversville Rescue Squad. / Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department / Hoy Structural Services / Hughes Associates, Inc / Hugo Neu Schnitzer East / hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the WTC / Hundreds of New York City Police Department Detectives / Industrial Risk Insurers / Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems / International Association of Fire Chiefs / International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 & 15 / J.R. Harris & Company / Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority / Karl Koch Steel Consulting Inc. / KCE Structural Engineers / Koch Skanska / Koutsoubis, Alonso Associates / Laboratory Corp. of America / Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory / Leslie E. Robertson Associates / LIRo Engineering / Listie Volunteer Fire Company / Lockwood Consulting / M.G. McLaren Engineering / Masonry Society / Mazzocchi Wrecking Inc. / Metal Management Northeast / Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit / Miami-Dade Urban Search & Rescue / Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team / Montgomery County Fire & Rescue / Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers / Murray Engineering / Myriad Genetic Laboratories Inc. / National Center for Biotechnology Informatics / National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States / National Council of Structural Engineers Associations / National Disaster Medical System / National Emergency Numbering Association / National Fire Protection Association / National Guard in D.C., New York, and Pennsylvania / National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) / National Institutes of Health Human Genome Research Institute / National Law Enforcement and Security Institute / National Military Command Center / National Reconnaissance Office / National Response Center / National Science Foundation Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems / National Security Agency / National Transportation Safety Board / National Wrecking / Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center / New Jersey State Police / New York City Department of Buildings WTC Task Force / New York City Department of Design and Construction / New York City Department of Environmental Protection / New York City Office of Emergency Management / New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner / New York City Police Department Aviation Unit / New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit / New York Daily News / New York Flight Control Center / New York Newsday / New York Port Authority Construction Board / New York Port Authority Police / New York State Emergency Management Office / New York State Police Forensic Services / New York Times / North American Aerospace Defense Command / Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders and crew / Numerous bomb-sniffing dogs / Numerous Forensic Anthropologists / Numerous Forensic Dentists / Numerous Forensic Pathologists / Numerous Forensic Radiologists / NuStats / Occupational Safety and Health Administration / Office of Emergency Preparedness / Office of Strategic Services / Orchid Cellmark / Parsons Brinckerhoff Engineering / Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection / Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services / Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group / Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association / Pennsylvania State Police / Pentagon Defense Protective Service / Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team / Pentagon Medical Staff / Pentagon Renovation Team / Phillips & Jordan, Inc. / Port of New York and New Jersey Authority / Pro-Safety Services / Protec / Public Entity Risk Institute / Purdue University Engineering Dept. / Robert Silman Associates Structural Engineers / Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc / Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers / Royal SunAlliance/Royal Indemnity / SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams / SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams / Salvation Army Disaster Services / several EPA Hazmat Teams / several FBI Hazmat Teams / several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams / several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams / Severud Associates Consulting Engineers / Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company / Silverstein Properties / Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Engineers / Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP / Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire / Society of Fire Protection Engineers / Somerset Ambulance Association / Somerset County Coroner's Office / Somerset County Emergency Management Agency / Somerset Volunteer Fire Department / St. Paul/Travelers Insurance / State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency / Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company / Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE) / Structural Engineers Association of New York / Superstructures Engineering / Swiss Re America Insurance / Telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes / Teng & Associates / Thornton-Tomasetti Group, Inc. / TIG Insurance / Tokio Marine & Fire / Transportation Safety Administration / Tully Construction / Twin City Fire Insurance / Tylk Gustafson Reckers Wilson Andrews Engineering / U.S. Army Corps of Engineers / Underwriters Laboratories / Union Wrecking / United Airlines / United States Air National Guard / United States Fire Administration / United States Secret Service / United Steelworkers of America / University of Sheffield Fire Engineering Research / US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County / US Army’s Communications-Electronics Command / US Department of Defense / US Department of Justice / US Department of State / Virginia Beach Fire Department / Virginia Department of Emergency Management / Virginia State Police / Vollmer Associates Engineers / Washington Post / Weeks Marine / Weidlinger Associates / Weiskopf & Pickworth Engineering / Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency / Whitney Contracting / Willis Group Holdings / WJE Structural Engineers / Worcester Polytechnic Institute / World Trade Center security staff / XL Insurance / Yonkers Contracting / York International / Zurich Financial / Zurich Re Risk Engineering


https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/ ... sandindivi

From: https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home (which also cites an old link to NARA's 9/11 commission "investigation" documents, now here: http://www.archives.gov/research/9-11/)

If you look at this list, clearly produced by a "liar, dupe or shill" itself, you will see that a lot of these "names" are not actually names but only organizations said to be involved. A number of them are divisions of police and fire departments in order to fluff up the diversity of organizations and overwhelm by implying a large number of conspirators. The number of combined individuals and names numbers much fewer than I would assume would be involved in a large military-style operation. So it's actually a fairly ironic argument against the idea that there was no conspiracy at work.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby arc300 on October 5th, 2015, 12:53 am

According to wikipedia:

"The Kübler-Ross model postulates a series of emotional stages experienced by survivors of an intimate's death, wherein the five stages are denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

1.Denial — The first reaction is denial. In this stage individuals believe the diagnosis is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality.

2.Anger — When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, it becomes frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"; "Why would this happen?".

3.Bargaining — The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.

4.Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, the individual becomes saddened by the mathematical probability of death. In this state, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time mournful and sullen.

5.Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."; "Nothing is impossible."
In this last stage, individuals embrace mortality or inevitable future, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. People dying may precede the survivors in this state, which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable condition of emotions."
[END QUOTE]

You know you're being hoaxed when the alleged survivors and families of victims horribly murdered jump straight to STAGE 5 of the 'grief-stakes'.
These poorly simulated entities immediately start forgiving the simulated killer. But then in later interviews they seem to regress to STAGE 4.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 5th, 2015, 2:42 am

You know you're being hoaxed when the alleged survivors and families of victims horribly murdered jump straight to STAGE 5 of the 'grief-stakes'.
These poorly simulated entities immediately start forgiving the simulated killer. But then in later interviews they seem to regress to STAGE 4.


Oh isn't that the truth! What stage is it when a person skips all five and goes straight to pure exploitation?

Imagine what could happen if psychologists were to use these events to study how people grieve!
In ten years they will tell us this it normal behavior because of course their case studies show that it is.

It's kind of like a physicist saying "of course a plane can cut through steel! We saw it on tv!" :blink:
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 6th, 2015, 1:26 am

This is a short but sweet example of horrible crisis acting from the October 1, 2015 Oregon Community College shooting Hoax. It's almost difficult to watch, but at least it's under 2 minutes.

By the way, this satisfies two "identifiers" in one.
-Family members being interviewed the same day.
-Witness going into details about guns/magazines.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHECpCIMegU
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby ProperGander on October 6th, 2015, 7:19 am

I came across this clip recently. I am posting it here as I think it shows how such media hoaxes are perpetuated and controlled even years after the event.

"This is a segment from Geraldo Rivera's late-night ABC-TV talk show "Good Night America", where Abraham Zapruder's famous home movie depicting President John F. Kennedy's assassination in graphic detail is shown to an American audience for the very first time. Robert Groden is one of Rivera's guests. The date of the program: March 6, 1975."


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxCH1yhGG3Q

Geraldo Rivera, the host, introduces Dick Gregory and describes him as a 'humanitarian'. Gregory makes an interesting comment about listening to the news on November 22, 1963 at about 1:45 or so.
Of course we know now that the Zapruder film is a proven fake.

Here the film is shown as it was meant to be seen by the public. It is not stabilized and one cannot tell as easily, that this is nothing more than a photographic cartoon. This 'snuff' film would become the center piece of the Oliver Stone directed 'JFK' years later, with the famous "back and to the left" scene. The public is allowed to relive this traumatic event over and over for years to come.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MLc0udf_74
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 6th, 2015, 9:14 pm

In the following video you can see what is supposed to be Columbine victim Rachel Scott (reportedly the first person killed in the incident). At the end of this short video you can see the "body" being dragged by the police.

I have to wonder what legitimate reason there would be to do this to an injured or dead person.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW4RVISLcy0
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 12th, 2015, 5:12 pm

I just wanted to briefly flesh out the LAX shooting hoax a bit. There are obvious shills on YT saying this victim was a friend and that he bled out before being placed in the wheelchair (thus the extreme white color :lol: ).

The following pictures should speak for themselves.

Good spot to put some fake blood on.
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Looks pretty good for a guy bleeding out.
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And now he has taken a sharp turn for the worse (but his shirt seemed to improve).
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This is a good one for introducing people to media fakery. If they think this looks real then please (for your own sake) move on to someone else.
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby pov603 on October 14th, 2015, 10:58 am

SacredCowSlayer wrote:I just wanted to briefly flesh out the LAX shooting hoax a bit. There are obvious shills on YT saying this victim was a friend and that he bled out before being placed in the wheelchair (thus the extreme white color :lol: ).

The following pictures should speak for themselves.

Looks pretty good for a guy bleeding out.
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This is a good one for introducing people to media fakery. If they think this looks real then please (for your own sake) move on to someone else.


So this guy is close to death with a wound that is bleeding profusely and is in desperate need of a stretcher/trolley to get him to medical assistance just as a 'sight-seer' with his Atlantic City Boardwalk Pusher comes perambulating by, seen on the left of the picture, taking in the sights?
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Re: Anatomy of a Hoax

Postby SacredCowSlayer on October 15th, 2015, 3:11 am

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My favorite parts of the official story are contained here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Lo ... ng#Victims
Police were unsure whether the terminal was safe for paramedics to enter, and as a result Hernandez lay wounded about 20 feet from an exit without medical attention for 33 minutes. He bled out from his gunshot wounds before being put in a wheelchair and escorted out of the terminal. He was taken to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center.[1]

According to an autopsy report, Hernandez was shot 12 times, with his heart being grazed several times and his bladder and intestines pierced. More than 40 bullet fragments were also lodged in his body, and he died within two to five minutes after being shot.[15]




I'll leave it to you to decide if that character pictured above appears to be a human being who was shot 12 times as described in the "autopsy report".
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