Parenting In the Simulation Age

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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby hoi.polloi on June 29th, 2016, 7:55 am

nonhocapito wrote:I love how you managed not to mention the holocaust at all. Anyway


Thank you. I thought you did a pretty good job of bringing it up already in your hypothetical example. Staying on topic, however ... :P

nonhocapito wrote:2) the example I gave has nothing to do with Pinocchio. You don't seem to actually have an idea of how non-hypocrite children behave, or perhaps you are focusing too much on teenagers. My example reflects what a spontaneous, innocent, unaware child in elementary school might do in class when he hears things which contradict things he heard at home.


There are plenty of non-hypocritical children who are happy to not involve their parents in discussions until the teachers bring them up in particular. I just did not encounter young peers in classrooms or playgrounds or casual or formal settings of any kind beginning arguments from the weak position of, "My parents say ..."

Of course, there are countless ways we as adults can read into what children say or even implicitly understand that their statements come from their parents/guardians. Sorry you had the experience you related in which case that did happen to you and you were bullied for it, but I definitely have not. In fact, in the community I'm from I believe that kind of thing could even get the teacher in trouble for breathing down the necks of kids. I have been shamed by a power-abusing teacher for something completely unrelated to PsyOps, as far as I remember.

There is no human "total control" of any kind, and I still say that depending on the community you can "feel out" where you can talk openly about things, that process is often a matter of trying it and talking openly about things is a fine goal.

I want to express support to everyone in this difficult issue, but I also slightly disagree that the Holocaust is something Americans have to fear discussing as much as Europeans are trained to do. (It also makes me wonder what the U.K.'s educational stance on Jewish history is, and how it may be effected by Brexit, if it is effected.) Let's not colonize ourselves with that fear shit.

Where we enjoy freedom, we should use and exercise it. Each situation must be read carefully and differently, certainly. I agree that there are many situations where children should not be forced to argue with older, more experienced debaters.

Anyway, I glean from this thread so far that there is a great deal of hope. If not just in our feisty members, also the simple observation that children given platforms to discuss the possibilities have much better imaginations than our misleaders.
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby hoi.polloi on June 29th, 2016, 8:05 am

CitronBleu wrote:I've noticed a strong denial of official theories in my classrooms (I live in a large metropolis on the east coast of the United States).

I allow down time for students to discuss whatever they want. In one class, I would say 80% of the students openly reject the official version of the September 11 attacks, or the NASA fairy tales.

I cannot openly support non-mainstream opinions, but I do make clear I am open to discussing any topic, within the framework of reason.


That is awesome.
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby CluedIn on July 14th, 2016, 9:55 pm

I am posting this here because social media plays a big role in pushing things that go against societal norms. As we all have seen, they push the absurd with fake accounts and then shame real people who disagree and thus make it appear as if they are right.

Today Victoria Beckham (Spice) posted a picture of herself kissing her topless 5 year old daughter in order to remove the stigma of parents kissing their children on the lips. If that is truly what she is trying to do, why did she have her daughter pose topless? Most 5 year olds wear tops in the pool, as well. I am a parent and I never kissed my son on the lips. I don't kiss my grandchildren on the lips. I had aunts and uncles who liked the lip kissing, but I tried to steer clear of them.

In whose world is this appropriate? If you believe the article, in most people's world.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/family/vi ... s-it-wrong

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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby ICfreely on July 14th, 2016, 11:24 pm

It definitely seems to be a well orchestrated “all the cool kids are doing it” campaign, CluedIn!

Watch: Will Smith Kisses Son Jaden in The Mouth - HipHollywood.com

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsAmSc0PhuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsAmSc0PhuY

Jigga please! :puke:
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby CluedIn on July 15th, 2016, 3:37 am

I had not seen that before - the kid looked seriously freaked out

That may explain why he dresses like this :P Ah, the price of fame!

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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby CluedIn on August 2nd, 2016, 12:55 pm

After school Satan Clubs are coming to elementary schools nationwide this year. :ph34r: Can't speak of God, but Satan is the new cool replacement that the pols approve of. The video is so warm and fuzzy, I wish I still had young children so they could enjoy this after school "club".

http://cnsnews.com/blog/eric-scheiner/a ... ed-schools


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b48-SBYbahQ
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby ICfreely on August 4th, 2016, 7:54 am

Speaking of Satan Clubs…

Dr. Shelton’s book is a must read for all parents.

The Hygienic Care of Children - Herbert M. Shelton, D. P., D. N. T., D. N. Sc. (1931)

INTRODUCTION

An intelligent man may be wrong sometimes, but a fool is always right. He is never wrong. The medical profession is never wrong. It never changes, except superficially.

This is the reason it is necessary for me to write this book. There are many books on the care and feeding of infants, but most of them consist largely of repetitions of ancient mistakes. There is little in them that can be recommended to the parent who desires to care for his or her child in the best manner possible. They are full of statements which have been known to be false for many years. But the medical profession is never wrong.

I constantly see children who are cared for as advised by these books or by the ex-purts who wrote them, or by the doctors who follow these ex-spurts, and I can't work up a great deal of enthusiasm over the results of such care. Indeed, as a rule, to which there are some exceptions, those children who are most under the care of specialists are the ones who suffer most.

It will be said that they are under the care of the specialists because of their sufferings; but I am convinced, from over ten years of careful observations, that their sufferings are largely the result of being under the care and misguidance of the specialist.

The greatest charge I bring against the medical profession, one that outranks the charges of ignorance and commercialism, is that it is artificial and unnatural in almost everything that it does. It is a huge system of antinaturalism, based on ignorance and bolstered up by law and commercialism.

In its dealings with children it is estranged from nature and children are suffering because of this. Its scheme of so-called "immunization" is as unnatural as anything can possibly be. This scheme has been appropriately called a "world of biological make-believe." But it would not be so bad if we could stop there. There are two sides to biology—health and disease. Serums and vaccines possess none of the elements of childhood fancy when viewed from the pathological side. Each and every one of them are pathogenic and their devastating influence upon child life is difficult to over estimate. We find babies adjudged 100% perfect in baby contests denied first prize, and given a place inferior to less perfect children, because they have not been vaccinated, have not been made sick, have not been scarred and marred. It is criminal.

Medicine's feeding scheme disregards nature to an astonishing degree. It is a complex and anti-natural affair which all too often completely overlooks the physiological needs of the child and which almost constantly disregards the chemistry of digestion.

One can only register pain when he sees the great emphasis which they place upon cow's milk in the diet of the child and greater pain when he finds them to be determined that no child shall ever receive milk from a healthy and properly nourished cow.

As I write these lines there lays here on my desk a copy of the Golden Age, for April 16, 1930. In it I find these words: "Dr. Morris Fishbein, of the American Medical Journal, has been addressing the Nebraska Millers Association on the value of white bread."

Dr. Fishbein is the official mouthpiece of the American Medical Association and, while it may be true, as is often stated, that there are some members of this association, who disapprove of him and his reactionism and bigotry, it is true that they remain silent and continue to aid in paying his salary.

Be this as it may, the fact is that the great mass of physicians, including almost 100% of the child specialists, are still feeding white flour products and denatured cereal products to children of all ages, even to infants. Many of these defend white flour and disparage whole wheat. Many other denatured products are advocated and employed by physicians in feeding children.

Their opposition to sun-bathing is being slowly broken down. But it has required nearly a hundred years to accomplish this. At this writing, however, there are still many physicians who regard sun-bathing as a silly and harmful fad. Others think the sun-bath may possess some virtue but they never advise it and go on day after day just as though it has no value.

http://soilandhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/GoodBooks/The%20Hygenic%20Care%20of%20Children.pdf
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby ICfreely on August 30th, 2016, 5:31 am

ICfreely » August 16th, 2016, 1:49 pm wrote:It recently came to my attention that Anton Yelchin has joined the ’27 Club.’




If he really did die, then RIP! He was a gifted actor. If he didn’t die, then I hereby light the Math-Signal!

I grew up on the mean streets of West San Fernando Valley and partied with some of the Taft/El Camino Real/Calabasas High School cliques in the 90’s. Among them were some of the real-life kids who were portrayed in the film Alpha Dog. I can say with absolute certainty that the person Ferocious Fernando Vargas portrayed was real/existed. I knew him & his older brother well (one of the ‘perks’ of a misspent youth)*. The last time I saw him & his older brother was in 1997-98.

I don’t know if the alleged kidnapping/murder took place. I do know that Justin Timberlake deserves an Oscar for “West Valley Wigger of the Century!”


* I should clarify that I knew his older brother well. Baby bro was too young to hang. Mostly have memories of big bro (John) kicking him (Will) out of his room, parties, etc.



Jason’s house was a known ‘party house.’ I never met his parents the whole time (roughly three years) I knew him. Was there the night he got stabbed in his house (left the party a couple hours before).


3 Sentenced to Life in Party Slaying
Courts: Victim's relative says the fatal stabbing of Jason Shaw at a birthday bash 'devastated a family.'
November 13, 1997|ANDREW BLANKSTEIN | TIMES STAFF WRITER

VAN NUYS — Calling the crime senseless and a "wake-up call to parents and teachers," a judge handed down life sentences Wednesday to three Chatsworth teenagers who killed a man after one of them was ejected from a party following a fight.

"What frightens me . . . is the fact that I still sense no remorse on your part," said Joan Doi, grandmother of the victim, as she looked directly at the killers.

Her grandson Jason Shaw, 20, was stabbed to death during a birthday party at his Woodland Hills residence.
http://articles.latimes.com/print/1997/nov/13/local/me-53428



“How could this happen here? How could this happen to us?” was the prevailing sentiment.


So it was a couple of years earlier…


In Persian Pride, the Young Gather to Cry
June 13, 1995|SCOTT HARRIS

Behind the cineplex where "Fluke" and "Casper" and "Congo" were playing, the young friends of Ramtin Shaolian had gathered once again. Here where the 16-year-old Taft High School student was fatally wounded, there were flowers, candles and tears. With felt-tipped markers they wrote notes of goodby on the sidewalk.

\o7 Ramtin, Keep smiling. We love you.--Negin & Leila . . . I miss the way you used to make me laugh throughout Jr. High & High School. WHY YOU?--Rosalyn . . . I'm sorry. You were a good student and this shouldn't have happened.-- Mr. Hoffman . . . . . . From your Bro. Remember all your friends in Persian Pride . . .R.I.P. From your homies. We love you . . . This won't be forgotten. Or unavenged . . .

This was Monday afternoon at the Fallbrook Mall in West Hills, three days after Ramtin was shot dead and Mehda Sina-Kadiz was wounded, not seriously, in a crime of our multicultural times.

The victims were the children of Iranian immigrants--friends within a tightknit community, some of whom identify with a code they call Persian Pride. The alleged perpetrators are 19-year-old gang members who go by the nicknames "Chocolate" and "Ace Capone" and who, according to police, often cruised the West Valley looking for trouble. Also arrested were five juveniles--including four girls from affluent neighborhoods south of Ventura Boulevard who apparently thought it was way cool to hang out with the bad guys.

It started, police say, when the suspects asked Ramtin and friends whether they belonged to a gang and Ramtin replied, "Does it look like we're gang-bangers?"

Persian Pride, Dorrikhteh said, is misunderstood. It is, he said, an effort by young immigrants such as himself to educate still younger Iranian youth to take pride in their native culture and history, rather than assimilate and lose the language and the old ways. "If anybody wants to look at it as a gang, they're looking at it stupidly."

The concept of Persian Pride, he added, transcends religion. Dorrikhteh pointed out that while he is Muslim, the Shaolian family is Jewish. "Muslim, Jewish, Bahai--we didn't care."

Many Iranian parents are upset by the way their children dress and wear their hair. The generation gap, he said, is huge. The traditionalists seem to think the Persian Pride crowd is a bad influence.

It may seem odd that adherents of Persian Pride would adopt so many of the ways of American urban youth. The irony seemed lost at the mall Monday.

"It's just fashion," Sherwin said. "All the kids wear baggy pants. We're all just following the fashion."
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-06-13/local/me-12567_1_persian-pride


I was supposed to meet my (Muslim) friend (Hasan), who’d just returned from a ‘scared straight boot camp’ in Arizona, at Fallbrook Mall the night Ramtin was shot. I flaked (about a girl…). According to Hasan, Ramtin kept saying, “I’m cold” as he bled to death in the parking lot. Local Iranians and Jews were shocked and appalled. The “Persian Pride Peacocks” came out in full force for his funeral. Girls who never gave him the time of day were ‘beside themselves.’ False mourning, false pride… :puke: :puke: :puke:


Anyhow, I think Rabbi Feinstein makes several excellent points on the 'devolution of western society.'


The Kids in the Car

The Kids in the Car
Rosh Hashana 1995
by Rabbi Edward Feinstein

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One friend of mine tells me that her 11-year old daughter announced, "You're stupid, and everything you say is stupid, and don't ask me any more questions!" Ann Landers asked her readers some time ago if they had it to do all over again, would they have children? 70% of the 10,000 respondents wrote that they would not. Raising kids in this culture is impossible. And can you imagine how difficult it is to be an immigrant parent -- to come from elsewhere, another cultural world, and try to raise American-born kids.

How about school? Schools have always taught the basic civic virtues. But if families in America are in trouble, schools are doubly troubled. Even under the best of circumstances, and with very few exceptions, schools don't teach morals. Curricula are "value-neutral". Teachers simply don't feel that they have the right to tell students anything about right and wrong. In the curricula commonly offered to kids at school, in drug education, sex education, courses in family living, the emphasis is typically on discovering your own values, on clarifying your values, on learning how to make your own decisions, but not on what's right and what's wrong. There is an emphasis on openness and tolerance --accepting the choices and values and life-styles of others -- but there is no sense that certain choices might be unacceptable. Instead of right and wrong, attention is placed on feelings and self-esteem. The question asked is not, Is it right?, but Are you comfortable with that decision? According to William Kilpatick, professor of education at Boston University, "the common feature [these curricula] share is the assumption that children can learn to make good moral decisions without bothering to acquire moral habits or strength of character." In one commonly used program of sex education, "at regular intervals, the authors remind their young readers, 'There is no right way or right age to have life experiences, only you can decide what is right.'"
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https://www.vbs.org/worship/meet-our-clergy/rabbi-ed-feinstein/sermons/kids-car
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby hoi.polloi on August 30th, 2016, 6:18 am

Sorry, but you would at all mind please explaining for my poor confused self what your post above is going on about, exactly?
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby ICfreely on August 30th, 2016, 6:36 am

In short, it's about taking a good hard look at ourselves and taking personal responsibility for our own short comings instead of looking for convenient scapegoats.

I'll use another excerpt from Rabbi Feinstein's essay to (hopefully) make my point, Hoi.


And as much as I dislike the Right, I also disagree with the other side, the humanists, the creators of these value-neutral schools, utterly p.c. but utterly devoid of moral instruction. Beneath this lies a Romantic notion that within each child is a tender, good soul, yearning to be freed from the corruptions of society. It was a very beautiful vision for Jean Jacques Rousseau, and Carl Rogers. But then, they never worked in a summer camp, they never taught 4th grade. Kids aren't naturally, essentially, sweet, good, kind, or gentle, any more than they are naturally evil, selfish or cruel.



In the Minds of Men – Ian Taylor

Revelation, Reason, and Revolution

Jean Jacques Rousseau was born in a Protestant home, converted to Roman Catholicism, then finally renounced Christianity completely, becoming what was popularly known as a "free-thinker" among the intellectual set in Paris (Beer 1972). As a Deist he categorically denied all biblical miracles and relegated God to the role of absentee landlord, in much the same way as had Aristotle and Descartes. In contrast to the tried and established Christian teaching that holds that each man is responsible for his own moral life and must strive to avoid personal evil and sin, Rousseau made himself believe that man is born good and is corrupted only by a bad society. One of the outworkings of this notion was his educational ideal that children should be kept away from the corrupting influences of society and allowed to learn naturally what they want to learn. Not only have Rousseau's speculations no scientific basis, but their author was the least qualified to write about matters such as the education of children: he had abandoned five illegitimate children in a Paris orphanage (Rousseau 1904).[24] Strangely, however, there have since been many who would otherwise pride themselves on their complete rationalism and objectivity, yet who have advocated this type of social change. And so we find that Rousseau has left a lasting mark on modern progressive education.

http://www.creationism.org/books/TaylorInMindsMen/TaylorIMMa01.htm
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby CluedIn on November 2nd, 2016, 4:37 pm

Is there anything out of bounds for schools today? A school in Wisconsin announced, over the loud speaker, that 4 kids from the school had been killed in a car accident because of texting while driving. 10 minutes later they announced it was not true, just a "campaign" to get kids to not text and drive. It was OK, though, because the kids whose names they used were in on it. <_< They are way beyond simple indoctrination now :puke:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/11/0 ... esson.html

(Note: This is in the "Health" section of Foxnews!)
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby SacredCowSlayer on November 2nd, 2016, 5:14 pm

CluedIn » November 2nd, 2016, 10:37 am wrote:Is there anything out of bounds for schools today? A school in Wisconsin announced, over the loud speaker, that 4 kids from the school had been killed in a car accident because of texting while driving. 10 minutes later they announced it was not true, just a "campaign" to get kids to not text and drive. It was OK, though, because the kids whose names they used were in on it. <_< They are way beyond simple indoctrination now :puke:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/11/0 ... esson.html

(Note: This is in the "Health" section of Foxnews!)


Thanks for pointing this one out CluedIn! Sadly, it would appear that MindRape 101 has been a part of the curriculum for many decades, and is nothing new.

I vividly recall the 1986 Challenger "horror in the skies on live tv" crap being played on TV for me and the whole class when I was in the 3rd grade. That was traumatizing to be sure.

My youngest brother recently recalled that in the lead up to 9/11, the class rooms in his high school went from having maybe one television for every two classrooms to having 2-3 in each classroom!

He said the teachers turned them on early that day so they could see history unfold. :puke:

And our parents vividly recall doing regular "nuclear terror drills" by hiding under their desks in the 60s.

I won't even pretend to understand the cumulative effect this kind of thing has on a child throughout his life, let alone the impact it has on society as a whole. But I'm sure we can agree it's not good.
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby Seattle Scotsman on November 2nd, 2016, 8:09 pm

I vividly recall the 1986 Challenger "horror in the skies on live tv" crap being played on TV for me and the whole class when I was in the 3rd grade. That was traumatizing to be sure.



I was in the 5th grade and remember the Challenger as well. I've never thought about it before, but even though TVs were certainly available, we never took time out of class to watch any other shuttle launch before or after, even the miraculous 1st launch of Columbia.
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby SacredCowSlayer on November 2nd, 2016, 9:54 pm

Seattle Scotsman » November 2nd, 2016, 2:09 pm wrote:
By SCS above:
I vividly recall the 1986 Challenger "horror in the skies on live tv" crap being played on TV for me and the whole class when I was in the 3rd grade. That was traumatizing to be sure.




I was in the 5th grade and remember the Challenger as well. I've never thought about it before, but even though TVs were certainly available, we never took time out of class to watch any other shuttle launch before or after, even the miraculous 1st launch of Columbia.


Yeah so think about that for a moment. And if you go watch just about any YouTube video on the Challenger "Explosion", you'll see all sorts of comments from people about seeing it "live on tv" that day.

I suppose a simple memo from the Department of Education about SHOWing the children this "live event" because of its "historical significance" would easily do the trick.

Luckily the schools all have "adequate" funding for lots of TVs. . . that way kids don't miss out on "the real world" while in school. :rolleyes:

Kids are SO set up for a nightmare in these places called schools.

The idea that 9/11 was possibly shown all across the country to children during school just never really occurred to me before. I'm curious as to how common that experience was for school age people on that Tuesday morning in September 2001.
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Re: Parenting In the Simulation Age

Postby simonshack on November 2nd, 2016, 11:00 pm

SacredCowSlayer wrote:
My youngest brother recently recalled that in the lead up to 9/11, the class rooms in his high school went from having maybe one television for every two classrooms to having 2-3 in each classroom!

He said the teachers turned them on early that day so they could see history unfold. :puke:

And our parents vividly recall doing regular "nuclear terror drills" by hiding under their desks in the 60s.

I won't even pretend to understand the cumulative effect this kind of thing has on a child throughout his life, let alone the impact it has on society as a whole. But I'm sure we can agree it's not good.


Dear SCS,

This sentence of yours pretty much sums up the entire 'gist' of this forum - and its ongoing battle to expose media / military / NASA / big pharma / science fakery (and all the rest) :

"I won't even pretend to understand the cumulative effect this kind of thing has on a child throughout his life, let alone the impact it has on society as a whole. But I'm sure we can agree it's not good."

Nope - it is not good at all (and that's a massive understatement!). I'd say it's the WORST imaginable 'childish prankster scheme' being inflicted on this entire world's population - and I was myself, at an early age (and for most of my life, of course!), a victim of it. The apparent "success" of this very silly mind-dumbing scheme relies foremostly on the general public's trust in the mainstream media - a trust that needs to be eroded / annihilated as soon as possible - for the betterment & emancipation of mankind as a whole. I trust that we here at Cluesforum are taking the right steps towards this ambitious goal - i.e. to divest the mainstream media (which, of course, includes most of the so-called "alternative" media) of ANY credibility w-h-a-t-s-o-e-v-e-r. Can we dream to achieve such a world-changing feat? Well, to borrow an old slogan, I'd say: Yes, we can. And to borrow another old slogan, I'd say: "All we need is resilience - in the face of adversity." Lastly, I'd say: take care of your kids' minds, coz' they will shape the future of this planet.

Jeez - I sure sound a tad rhetorical tonite, so let me stop right here - lest I start sounding silly myself ! :P
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