nonhocapito wrote:I love how you managed not to mention the holocaust at all. Anyway
Thank you. I thought you did a pretty good job of bringing it up already in your hypothetical example. Staying on topic, however ...
nonhocapito wrote:2) the example I gave has nothing to do with Pinocchio. You don't seem to actually have an idea of how non-hypocrite children behave, or perhaps you are focusing too much on teenagers. My example reflects what a spontaneous, innocent, unaware child in elementary school might do in class when he hears things which contradict things he heard at home.
There are plenty of non-hypocritical children who are happy to not involve their parents in discussions until the teachers bring them up in particular. I just did not encounter young peers in classrooms or playgrounds or casual or formal settings of any kind beginning arguments from the weak position of, "My parents say ..."
Of course, there are countless ways we as adults can read into what children say or even implicitly understand that their statements come from their parents/guardians. Sorry you had the experience you related in which case that did happen to you and you were bullied for it, but I definitely have not. In fact, in the community I'm from I believe that kind of thing could even get the teacher in trouble for breathing down the necks of kids. I have been shamed by a power-abusing teacher for something completely unrelated to PsyOps, as far as I remember.
There is no human "total control" of any kind, and I still say that depending on the community you can "feel out" where you can talk openly about things, that process is often a matter of trying it and talking openly about things is a fine goal.
I want to express support to everyone in this difficult issue, but I also slightly disagree that the Holocaust is something Americans have to fear discussing as much as Europeans are trained to do. (It also makes me wonder what the U.K.'s educational stance on Jewish history is, and how it may be effected by Brexit, if it is effected.) Let's not colonize ourselves with that fear shit.
Where we enjoy freedom, we should use and exercise it. Each situation must be read carefully and differently, certainly. I agree that there are many situations where children should not be forced to argue with older, more experienced debaters.
Anyway, I glean from this thread so far that there is a great deal of hope. If not just in our feisty members, also the simple observation that children given platforms to discuss the possibilities have much better imaginations than our misleaders.