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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby brianv on November 1st, 2017, 5:13 pm

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby nonhocapito on November 2nd, 2017, 8:09 pm

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A quick reminder of what this forum should be about.
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What a load of Balloons

Postby brianv on November 10th, 2017, 9:48 pm

I'll post to the chat-box, mod can move if they like.

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A high altitude super pressure balloon (SPB)...

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...and it's payload.

Well I never! Imagine my shock, in fact. <_<

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Please do pay attention to the "several ton "satellite"" hanging from the crane (which taxis slowly and holds the balloon and payload as it nears lift-off, to prevent it dragging).
Notice too that "the satellite" has it's antennae folded away for safe keeping to prevent damage during the launch.

The science and engineering communities have previously identified long-duration balloon flights at constant altitudes as playing an important role in providing inexpensive access to the near-space environment for science and technology. The SPB can carry a payload weighing several tons to an altitude above 99.5 percent of the Earth’s atmosphere.


https://www.nasa.gov/content/liftoff-na ... technology


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mj2pjByvUw

edit: clarity and typo
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Regarding the name change of Rocketry in vacuum

Postby patrix on November 13th, 2017, 11:20 am

Dear Cluesforumers,

First, please don't perceive this overly negative. I am unimaginable happy that this place exists. Remarkable research is carried out and documented here and it is to my knowledge the only place where a sane discussion on these subjects are allowed to exist.

That said I'm a bit stumped by the action to change the title of a thread that has been around many years, and with quotes? That really don't look nice in a title. Who named the thread in the first place? Is that person ok with this?

But I'm relieved that the links I've been spreading about this thread still works.

I'm guilty of filling the thread with some "chit chat" lately. Feel free to remove that. I'm also not much for some philosophical discussion on rocketry in vacuum. To me it's plain physics. Rocketry have no way of working in an unrestricted vacuum, which is in accordance with basic physics that can be proven by experiments. So if that is what the "Space Authorities" claim space consists of, which they do, then forget rockets up there.

Some day, when I have other stuff out of the way (such as raising media fakery aware children), I will write books on some of the subjects in this forum. I hope not too many people beat me to it :-)

All the best. /Patrik
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby hoi.polloi on November 13th, 2017, 4:31 pm

Thanks, brianv, for some great food for thought.

patrix, thanks for your concerns. My guess is Simon changed the name. We will occasionally change names of topics and speaking for myself, the only reason I do so is to try to garner "better" attention or "more objective" perspective on a subject, or sometimes just to be archival and "ahead of the times" (imagining what we will, in the future, deem the best way to contextualize an understanding). I guess you'd have to ask Simon, "Why the change?"

But please bear in mind it's a hard thing to always name things the "best" and it's an art form in and of itself! If the membership disagrees about some titles, everyone should feel free to speak up about and turn it into a (light, non-disruptive) debate, with a more specific concern. We have changed titles a lot. I just did so to another thread the other day, adding a flight number to a more vague sounding reference to a specific plane crash story. Regarding the books you will write about these subjects, the world could use as many voices talking about these real phenomena as possible, so I am sure we should all welcome and celebrate those writings. And everyone must frame the topics in their own individual way.

To get down to this particular disagreement, would you like to explain why you don't like the new title? I don't think that's negative, I just want to understand. But if you don't want to explain, I don't blame you.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby patrix on November 13th, 2017, 5:31 pm

hoi.polloi » November 13th, 2017, 4:31 pm wrote:To get down to this particular disagreement, would you like to explain why you don't like the new title? I don't think that's negative, I just want to understand. But if you don't want to explain, I don't blame you.


Ah, never mind Hoi and Simon. I have no good rationale, except that I don't like quotes and that things can be changed on a whim :) A slow day at work. I'm trying to make use of it by styling the Tychos Planetarium control panel, but I suck at CSS and HTML styling, so I guess I'm frustrated.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby molodyets on November 14th, 2017, 6:11 am

This is a rant, nothing more, nothing less...A friend of mine posted the following article on his facebook page: http://www.anongroup.org/doctor-shot-dead/

According to the article, another holistic doctor was found dead, along with her entire family. I did find some minor hoaxy things...it was the 77th such case in the past few years. I thought that was strange that they took the time to count 77 previous cases, and stopped counting when they reached "a few" years. Her husband apparently shot her, and then her 3 year old daughter and 9 month old son (3+9) then himself while both the mother and father were 39 years old. I went to their business facebook page https://www.facebook.com/Macrotherapy/photos/ and found that all the pictures didn't have any facial recognition or options to tag the person. Being a novice at facebook, I'm not sure if that feature can be turned off, but I've never seen it turned off. This is probably the most insignificant find, but I thought it was strange. Their page did seem to have years of facebook activity and years of reviews. I don't know how easy that is to fake.

Some of my friends have posted similar articles, all suggesting that to practice alternative medicine will get you murdered. While this could be a possible psyop, I find it unlikely that pharmaceutical companies would take the time and effort to attack establishments like the one in the article which mainly do physical therapy.

OK, so my main point to all of this, is that I have so many friends who believe every article they read in the 'alternative' media...and it's so annoying. These friends annoy me more than my friends who only believe the MSM. I was very disappointed to not find anything concretely psyopic in the above article, so I could rub it in their faces.

I was kind of pleased with my new word psyopic, but thought I should do a search before claiming credit. Alas, the credit goes to brianv at the following: http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1022&p=2357086&hilit=psyopic#p2357086
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Talking Balloons

Postby brianv on November 14th, 2017, 2:42 pm

^Nice. Permission to engage Smug Mode?

On Friday, 4 October 1957, the Soviets had orbited the world's first artificial satellite.

Anyone who doubted its existence could walk into the backyard just after sunset and see it.
(Where have I heard that recently?)

Launch mass 83.6 kg (184 lb)
Dimensions 58 cm (23 in) diameter (Beach Ball)
Power 1 watt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_1

Oh yes, but it was in a low orbit, I hear the reply! "Balloons", I say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Genetrix (WS-119L) :rolleyes:

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http://stratocat.com.ar/stratopedia/28.htm

Only difference is that now it's the "ISS" overflying, in the 50's and 60's - it was UFO's. Theremin wooooooeeeeeooo

Part Two

Image Lunar Lander anyone?? Bit of tin foil here and there...yeah that will work!

The DMQ-1 Photographic Reconnaisance Package (7) was composed by a fiberglass box measuring 36 x 30 x 57 inches designed to enclose the camera equipment. It was lined with six inches of styrofoam for insulation and contained a duplex camera which had two 6-inch lenses on opposite sides at a 34.5º angle to the horizon. The camera was capable of obtaining about 500 pictures using film of 9 inches square, covering 50 miles on either side of the balloon path. On the bottom of the box a photo cell turned on and off the camera according to the illumination below. The gondola also carried a 16 mm gun camera, whose photos indicated balloon's altitude, azimuth and a wide-angle view of the ground which showed the general geographic location something specially useful for later analysis and overlapping of the images.

The WS-119L system was launched using a zero pressure balloon of either two models: one denominated 66CT, cylindrical shaped, with a volume of 125.000 cubic feet, and another identified as 128TT, pear shaped, with a volume of 740.000 cubic feet. Both were designed following the "natural shape" principle, and were manufactured by General Mills Inc. using polyethylene 0.002 inches thick.


http://stratocat.com.ar/stratopedia/134.htm

See the list of "flights" their launch sites etc. :o :o http://stratocat.com.ar/stratopedia/134.htm

Part Three

Following my own previous observation. Now this is going to bake your noodle!

In less than 10 minutes, using just two of the images from Genetrix (link below), I was able to construct this :

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http://stratocat.com.ar/stratopedia/imgs/genetrix.jpg

Part Four

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A rather predictable and boring conclusion. There you have it nonetheless.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby bongostaple on November 17th, 2017, 3:40 pm

On a change of subject, I just saw that less than an hour ago a plane and helicopter supposedly collided in mid-air near where I am, in Buckinghamshire.

Interestingly, the wreckage fell on to the Waddesdon Manor property somewhere. You'll never guess who that belongs to..... Rothschilds, as it happens.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-42024712

It'll be interesting to see if anyone I know clams to have experienced any aspect whatsoever of this 'crash'. Rothschild property, date 17/11, it's got everything going for it :)
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby brianv on November 17th, 2017, 4:25 pm

bongostaple » November 17th, 2017, 3:40 pm wrote:On a change of subject, I just saw that less than an hour ago a plane and helicopter supposedly collided in mid-air near where I am, in Buckinghamshire.

Interestingly, the wreckage fell on to the Waddesdon Manor property somewhere. You'll never guess who that belongs to..... Rothschilds, as it happens.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-42024712

It'll be interesting to see if anyone I know clams to have experienced any aspect whatsoever of this 'crash'. Rothschild property, date 17/11, it's got everything going for it :)


I wouldn't click on a bbc link if life depended on it, any Sims reported dead? It was the "Bin Laden" family last time! The "Obamas" maybe?

17/11/17 nice
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby pov603 on November 18th, 2017, 11:04 am

Hahaha, I agree with your sentiment brianv about the beeb, nevertheless, some of the stuff they peddle on it is worth looking at just to have a laugh!
I literally nearly spat my coffee out when I saw this picture.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-42035981


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Do I need glasses?

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby brianv on November 18th, 2017, 2:29 pm

Still can't bring myself to do it. No mate, you don't need glasses they do! This can be dropped into "Tools of the Trade" if deemed so. https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/

It doesn't do URL's, so you have to download the purported "image" in question to your desktop first, then Open File on the Webpage to upload. Also it does not 'Save and Post" like Imgur. Just use the Magnify Tool on that one you posted from the clown princes of news. Tip: Point the Mouse at what you want to Magnify, and there's a video tutorial if you need it.

Oh PS 'Clone Detection' takes a few seconds, be patient!
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Get your ISS Horoscope Readings

Postby brianv on November 19th, 2017, 5:04 pm

I took the plunge, I visited the Heavens-Above website after reading here that the alleged "ISS" cannot be tracked in reverse! It does not leave a trail of Data behind it.Why? "Because it would require too much processing power". I have never heard such horse-shit in all my days. We have 64bit SQL Databases and Petabyte hard drives and Cloud Storage. One 64 bit integer can store a value of 9,223,372,036,854,775,807. And if the Data Stream is too big, we can has Sampling. If the "ISS" does not leave Data where are they getting the Altitude Values for last month? What would be of interest as Live Data? Time, Location and Altitude maybe some System Reports! I will put a MySql Database Server on an old Linux machine I have in the shed, if they want to give me their mysql:// URL I will throw a CMS together in 5 minutes on Dynamic DNS and hook it up for the World for free!!

But it's all academic anyway because there is no ISS.

The Heavens-Above site is an ISS Prediction App. It does not take Data from anywhere, there is no Data, it's a JavaScript or Common Gateway Interface program that resides on the Server and simply PREDICTS where the "ISS" might be if it existed. It's there in black and white on the page and also in the source code,

Prediction : prophecy, conjecture, guess.

So it's no better than a Horoscope site or a Palm Reader, it serves the same purpose too, a crutch for certain individuals to get through life, poor things. Belief is an awful thing!

I'd like to add some more but don't want to start a new post!

Does the ISS have a computer on board?
Is there a Database Server running on board?
Does the ISS have any Life Support Systems on board?
Does the ISS have any Mission Critical systems on board?
Does the ISS have any Navigation systems on board?
Does the ISS have the latest high speed Internet Connection?
What's it's IP address? Can I "Ping" the ISS?

Are there any Sensors connected to the Mission Systems and Life support?
Are the Sensors connected to the Computer?

Is all this MISSION CRITICAL DATA not relayed to "the ground" in REAL TIME?

Nope! You go to Heaven-Above and look at some .cgi generated charts and have your p(s)alm read.

:sorry about all the edits
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby hoi.polloi on November 19th, 2017, 5:09 pm

I'd venture to add that it's a little worse than a horoscope in the sense that the creators of the ISS myth invent bogus science and pass it off as a representation of reality while earnest astrologists and palm readers are trying to read meaning out of what actually is, regardless of the result or accuracy.

One is actually more scientific in philosophy than the other. :unsure:
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby pov603 on November 20th, 2017, 1:30 pm

brianv » 18 Nov 2017, 15:29 wrote:Still can't bring myself to do it. No mate, you don't need glasses they do! This can be dropped into "Tools of the Trade" if deemed so. https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/

It doesn't do URL's, so you have to download the purported "image" in question to your desktop first, then Open File on the Webpage to upload. Also it does not 'Save and Post" like Imgur. Just use the Magnify Tool on that one you posted from the clown princes of news. Tip: Point the Mouse at what you want to Magnify, and there's a video tutorial if you need it.

Oh PS 'Clone Detection' takes a few seconds, be patient!


Thanks for the introduction to the photo-foresnsics brianv.

It does look like the man with the ban-ner has six fingers on his left hand, which isn't impossible of course...and the masked gunmen/soldiers are very suspect to say the least with their masks...
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