Importance of Birth on Society

[Gracist]

The topic of birth is so incredibly important that I would like to start a thread to discuss the ways in which our society views and portrays it. In my opinion, gaining an understanding of this issue can have a profound effect on changing society for the better by gaining insight into a major reason for why it is in the state it is. Through my research I have come to the conclusion that the process of childbirth has been (I think intentionally) made opposite to what it should be and that has had a calculable negative effect on our world. Dcopymope often posts the writings of people like Bertrand Russel and his Effect of Science on Society because he wrote about how the scientific elite would use scientific methods to control and condition the population. I think this issue of birth itself is a major example of the kind of science being used to condition society from the earliest age possible (which Russel wrote was important to do.) The ways in which I hope to demonstrate my conclusions and help others to gain a better understanding of the importance of this issue are with examples from media and the brainwashing/programming it does and medical science and its means of achieving the desired outcome. The desired outcome is that which the likes of Bertrand Russel have written: an unthinking, fearful people who will follow blindly the instructions of the elite.

First, as an example of the media's role in this, I would like to consider the way that we are programmed to view childbirth. TV and movies always portray a laboring woman in a hospital bed, on her back, attached to monitoring equipment and IVs, screaming and sweating and cursing at her husband/the child's father for "doing this to her," or any variation of that type of chaotic scene. The main idea that is put across and that has imprinted itself onto generations of women and men now is the expectation that childbirth be a fearful, painful, traumatic scene filled with medical interventions including the inevitable major abdominal surgery that occurs when a woman "fails to progress" in labor and the all-knowing doctor saves the mother and the baby with a c-section. The other implication of this image is that a woman is incapable of giving birth and is powerless over the process. She (and her husband/partner) must give her power away to an establishment/authority figure and institution (the doctor, nurses, and hospital policy.) She hasn't been medically trained (another form of scientific brainwashing) so is therefore not "qualified" to be an active participant in the birth of her own child. The wisdom of her body's design is not greater than the wisdom of the establishment and so on. I feel this surrender of power by the birthing mother to an outside authority has a subconscious affect on the baby as well as the first experience of entry into this life is his mother's deference to perceived authority. (The violence inflicted on and objectification of the baby's body immediately after birth is something that will be further discussed later on as well.)

One example of the type of scientific interventions being used (there are quite a few I would like to discuss) is the overwhelmingly common use of Pitocin. Pitocin is a synthetic version of the hormone oxytocin. Oxytocin is also known as the "love hormone." Oxytocin is released during orgasm, it causes contractions of uterine muscles in labor that lead to birth, it causes smooth muscle contractions in the breast during breastfeeding, and is very important in the mother-child bond forming in the immediate time after birth. Both mother and child have an enormous flood of this hormone as the head crowns. This will cause the greatest natural high a woman can experience in her life. Pitocin is "supposed" to be used to "help aid" a labor that isn't "progressing" but that doesn't explain why it is often given as matter of course to women who are already in labor and not having any problem. The only conclusion that makes sense to me is that an institutional policy has been developed by the scientific elite that pushes the use of pitocin in all women because they know the negative affect it is going to have in regards to the mother-infant bond and their experience of the immensely powerful experience of birth. A mother is going to be less opposed to the state having an inordinate amount of control over her children if she never got the flood of bonding hormones in birth that instills an intense desire to protect and nurture her child. Also children will probably bond with agents of the state more easily if they aren't strongly bonded with their mother and father from birth. It is interesting to note that a monkey who is given a c-section shows no interest/maternal instinct toward that baby.

I will leave it at this for now because there is so much ground to cover I don't want to make each post too much to read and consider at once. I hope this will be the start of a great and ongoing discussion.

Oxytocin article: http://www.ahealthymind.org/library/Oxy ... e%2007.pdf

nice short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnqwZKNt ... r_embedded

[anon1911]

Interesting research. I really appreciate your work.

I don't have much to add because I am not really into this topic but quite a long time ago I've seen a documentary about some native clan living somewhere in the woods of (I think it was) Brasil. They showed a scenery of childbirth and Ive actually never again seen such a silent, relaxed and somehow very familiar childbirth.
The baby didn't cry once, it was just very calm.
Also the mother didn't seem to have any pain.

Now think of some childbirth in our "modern" society: The baby cries as if it had to die and is blinded by strong light and many people sourround it.

I can't judge if there is any sort of agenda behind all that but what scenery would you prefer, if you were the child?

[Gracist]

I just came across this debauchery:

Jill from Keyboard Revolutionary wrote about a new term that she recently came across— “Pit to distress.”

“Pit to distress.” How have I not heard about this? Apparently it’s quite en vogue in many hospitals these days. Googling the term brings up a number of pages discussing the practice, which entails administering the highest possible dosage of Pitocin in order to deliberately distress the fetus, so a C-section can be performed.



Yes folks, you read that right. All that Pit is not to coerce mom’s body into birthing ASAP so they can turn that moneymaking bed over, but to purposefully squeeze all the oxygen out of her baby so they can put on a concerned face and say, “Oh dear, looks like we’re heading to the OR!”

http://www.theunnecesarean.com/blog/200 ... arean.html

[Gracist]

In this post I would like to address the objectification of baby's body and the effects that has on the individual's psyche and society at large. This is a very difficult topic but a most important one and I just hope I can do it justice in my attempt to explain what I have concluded.

It seems to be a common assumption that a baby is somewhat unthinking and unfeeling and a mere presence during gestation and birth rather than an active, feeling, aware participant. Of course people still have the intuitive understanding that their baby is aware of its surroundings or else people wouldn't talk to and touch their/their partners belly. However once in the context of medical authority they allow their newly birthed child to be treated as little more than an object to be handled roughly, poked, prodded, measured, weighed and generally violated. A lot of people on this forum are aware of projects like MKULTRA which utilize trauma as a basis for mind control. I think that these birth standards are an example of how we are ALL subjected from birth to a form of this trauma/fear based conditioning to directly imprint our limbic system/R-complex (more detailed info on that to follow in later posts) to live in/create/expect a fear and trauma based society. This is also one major reason we are so prone to violence and accepting of war. It is natural to us because the first imprint on our subconscious and conscious experience is violent violation. We also hold a subconscious anger from being so mistreated when we are completely helpless and dependent on the protection of our caretakers (we harbor a great subconscious sense of betrayal) that we act out this rage with violence against others. I think this is how even "smart people" are fooled (in answer to hoi's question.) They are programmed to be fooled into accepting fear, violence, and so on from birth. It also causes the cognitive dissonance of being subjected to such brutality by those they trust: first their own parents (especially the mother) who hand them over to authortiy figures (doctors/nurses then later teachers, the state) to be abused. Later in life since they weren't permitted to bond with their mother (and their mother didn't bond properly with them because she was drugged) they bond with the state and have been imprinted to confuse violence for love.

Here are some common violations practiced as routine procedure on newborns in hospitals:

-forced separation of mother and infant immediately following birth to perform following tortures/"procedures"

-administration of burning/blinding anti-biotics into the baby's eyes

-forceful insertion of devices into nose and mouth to "clear" them (this isn't usually necessary and is just "routine")

-premature clamping and cutting of umbilical cord which essentially suffocates the baby as its first breaths are desperate gasps for air. The baby is receiving all of its oxygen supply from the mother's blood via the umbilical cord and continues to do so after birth until the cord stops pulsing and the baby receives its full blood supply. The cord is almost always cut prematurely forcing the baby to gasp for breath (and causing some brain damage due to lack of oxygen) until the baby's body finally produces its full blood supply on its own

- slapping the baby until it cries to "make sure its breathing" (absolutely ridiculous but the "medical professionals" still do this)

-being stabbed with shots and the routine "heel prick" blood collection test. (If the parent wants these things done it can wait until the following days after birth but it is usually done right away)

-Male genito-sexual torture/mutilation aka "circumcision." This to me is by far the worst atrocity committed routinely on newborns. This has many effects on the males in our society, many of which they don't consciously realize but the subconscious effects are staggering. Firstly, it is just an obscene and horrific violation of a human being. Secondly, this first sexual experience is that of extreme pain and torture, thereby wiring those nerves from the penis to the brain as pain. This is also when sex becomes hardwired into the brain as violence.

For some reason it has become a popular notion that a baby just "cries for no reason." The truth is that a baby's cries are its signal to its caretaker that it is in distress over something. Women are routinely taught to just let the baby cry or else they will "spoil" it somehow by responding to its cries. This is abuse. A baby whose cries are not answered and attended to learns to distrust and disassociate to escape the discomfort (dissociation as those familiar with trauma based mind control is key) since it learns that it will not be responded to. This state can be seen in babies who have experienced the torture of circumcision as they seem detached and disassociated for a long time after the trauma. If breastfeeding has not been established yet it becomes incredibly difficult to establish breastfeeding with a circumcised infant. If it had been established before the trauma a regression is seen. The baby seems withdrawn and the bond between mother (the betrayer) and baby becomes permanently impaired. The baby carries this subconscious scar for a lifetime and it recapitulates itself in a variety of ways which can be noted in our modern society.

WARNING. This video is an actual male circumcision. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmX6RdRN ... r_embedded

[Gracist]

Here are some trailers for some good documentaries on this topic.

Birth As We Know It: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZtYCHAS ... r_embedded

The Business of Being Born: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DgLf8hH ... r_embedded

Face of Birth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFWH_IZW ... r_embedded

(I think they are trying to make homebirth illegal because they don't want humankind to experience and realize their true power and potential and to feel the amazing sense of love and desire to protect and nurture their family that happens naturally in a trauma free, intervention free birth. Just ask women how powerful they felt after giving birth naturally and you will see why the PTB would be afraid of that feeling being common in society. They need everyone to give away their power to authority and to give up the well being of their children to authority figures. Control of birth is essential in the control of humanity I have concluded from my research. The documentaries talk about it just being about business interest and money and legal issues and to an extent I agree but I think the truth is actually much deeper than that. It is ultimately about the control of humankind through the subversion of their natural feeling of power over themselves, their bodies, families, and lives.)

Orgasmic Birth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG_6IVmX ... ded#at=138

This isn't just about orgasms in birth and labor but rather that birth shouldn't be such a painful and traumatic experience and that many women (who have broken through their fear conditioning) actually experience pleasure in birth. There is a book called Childbirth Without Fear by Grantly Dick-Read that discusses the role that fear plays in actually creating pain during childbirth. Also I would later like to have a post about why the idea of pleasure during childbirth makes so many people uncomfortable. It has to do with the way sex is portrayed to us in our pornographic culture making it violent, objectifying and shameful. People naturally don't want to associate birth/babies with sex (even though obviously babies are the end result of sexual experiences) because sex has become so disgusting in our culture. There definitely needs to be a discussion of this.

[hoi.polloi]

I don't know much about this topic but I am curious to know if you think there is something in our every day diet which might interfere with a less painful childbirth (such as raised acidity levels from tobacco, meat, coffee and sugar overdoses - just throwing random health questions out there?) or if there could be other things that put undue stress on child birth.

Why - for instance - are we taught that historic childbirths resulted in a great deal of mothers dying during labor? And is it not true?

[Gracist]

I don't know much about this topic but I am curious to know if you think there is something in our every day diet which might interfere with a less painful childbirth (such as raised acidity levels from tobacco, meat, coffee and sugar overdoses - just throwing random health questions out there?) or if there could be other things that put undue stress on child birth.

Why - for instance - are we taught that historic childbirths resulted in a great deal of mothers dying during labor? And is it not true?

This is a good question and I will definitely look into it more and provide a more detailed answer when I have more information. Sugar is one thing I do know of that makes modern births more difficult. Too much sugar (which is a major part of most diets today) causes a baby to grow too fast and big which sometimes necessitates a cesarean birth (like the recent planned c-section birth of a 16lb baby in Texas.http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43710841/ ... j7G-2HzN8E) It can also lead to gestational diabetes.

Also the idea that historic childbirths resulted in many more deaths than today does seem to be a myth. Of course women and children died in birth and many still do today. Hospital births are actually much more dangerous than home births as medical interventions lead to many dangerous complications. Many mothers today die in America from untreatable infections from c-sections.

I recently read Ina May's Guide to Childbirth by midwife Ina May Gaskin and she was relating stories of poor midwives from a century ago and how the births they attended (even those considered very high risk by modern standards such as placental previa birth) resulted in less deaths at the time than physician attended births. Even today if you have placental previa they will automatically give you a c-section but midwives successfully performed vaginal deliveries with that condition (although that probably is one of the most risky conditions to have a natural birth where c-section could actually be necessary. Interestingly it is a very rare condition that is sometimes precipitated by a previous c-section because the placenta will tend to adhere to the part of the uterus where the scar is.)

The reason we are taught that birth is so dangerous and people used to die from it until hospitals came to save the day is to instill fear and doubt into people so they will hand over their power to an authority figure. They are trained to distrust their own bodies and experience and trust the establishment.

[Gracist]

Good interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRbwgO0H ... r_embedded


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRbwgO0H8M8