MattMariott wrote:...why do the illuminati...
nonhocapito wrote:Like Oscar Wilde said, [b]"The things one feels absolutely certain about are never true".[/b] (Which I think would make a wonderful motto and admonition for our research, actually).
Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. (As we've seen with all the trolls, shills, and bad actors infesting our forum - and the world - like cockroaches.)
The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible. (This is why we needn't worry about the existence (?) of the Illuminati, or any other similar ilk.)
nonhocapito wrote:MattMariott wrote:...why do the illuminati...
I doubt there is such thing, or that this name has any real value for the elite -- but even if, I would advise against mentioning the "illuminati" without proper surrounding sentences & words aimed at casting at least some reasonable doubt over the whole thing, or making it clear that it is nothing but an opinion -- certainly not an acknowledged fact.
We never agreed that these alleged "illuminati" were behind this event or others. Who demonstrated (I'm not saying proved) they were? Where this comes from? Why do you assume you can slip this concept by like this?
If you, MattMarriott, think you have evidence in this sense, first and foremost give us such evidence (which, of course, should include proof that such group actually exists under that denomination somewhere): otherwise please do not use the word as if it actually identified something we all agreed on.
- terror acts like 9/11, with media inserting a "plane" "live", shortly before hundreds of firemen are ordered to enter the chambers to be nuked "live" on TV, etc;
MattMarriott wrote:Simon, yes I believe that.
MattMarriott wrote:Your are not questioning the name of the secret society, which, unlike freemasonry, Bilderberg or Skull & Bones, was never officially stated by one of its members.
You name the perps "elite" as opposed to the secret society of the illuminati (who are behind freemasonry, Bilderberg & Skull & Bones).
So you are in denial that the basic fact.
The basic fact is that ONLY total control by one and the same secret society of media, politics and depending entities (from judges to directions of sport federations), explains the basic facts of:
- etc, etc, etc.
nonhocapito wrote:"Illuminati" comes directly from Alex Jones' lines, thus it is reasonable to think that it is a false screen-word behind which other more real words are hidden -- or a smoke signal to make us look in the wrong direction.
MattMarriott wrote:As for the rest, it is clear the difference between our views:
- you think that operations like 911, Oslo, London 7/7, Madrid 3/11 or Arizona Mass Shooting are possible without being orchestrated by "an organization whose activities and inner functioning are concealed from non-members" (Wikipedia's definition of secret society).
I do not. And as obvious, it is in all cases the same organization.
So the name of that organization is irrelevant and I do not understand why you focus your criticism on me naming them the illuminati.
By the way, I would be interested to read your explanation of how any of these events could have been executed by "a small group of people who control a disproportionate amount of wealth and/or political power" (Wikipedia's definition of elite).
nonhocapito wrote:Albeit a bit out of time, I feel the need to clarify my last two posts above, that perhaps could be read in the wrong terms:
I don't necessarily deny the existence of the "Illuminati" --nor it is my intention (or place) to censor this topic on this forum.
"Illuminati" is a flattering adjective that means "enlightened", and I guess it goes to my head when I read such complementary terms to describe the control freaks maniacs that try to dupe the world.
But as I have explained, my only concern is to make sure that this concept isn't handled with too much certainty and automatism -- because there is too much ambiguity around it. And more so knowing that it has been used for so long in "conspiracy theory" (that's true, long before Alex Jones): something that should caution us from adopting it in the first place.
philipsmovies wrote:Hi Roybean
"But hey, did you hear about Whitney Houston? Illuminati Blood Sacrifice Entertainment in Underground UFO bases"
A friend of mine who does a lot of research about The Knights Templars, Butlers, Hamiltons, Royal Family and illuminati families and numerology has made a video about Whitney's death.
He looked at her age "48" and how it ties in with 4 X 8 and 8,8,8,8 the birthdate of our future queen Beatrice 8/8/88.
It isn't a long video.
Personally i feel she was murdered by an illuminati agent-easily done on their part and the usual dubious news items and quotes have been popping up in the MSM. The way the death has been spun makes me suspicious. None of it makes sense in my view.
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