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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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pov603 wrote:Only since reading some of the posts on this thread and having certain realities 'sink in', it doesn't take much to see TPTB and the forces behind the media manipulate certain agendas and undermine cultural beliefs.
The problem is that even when bringing to others' attentions, they say 'oh, you're reading into it too much, it's a comedy' etc.
All in all, a clever play by TPTB.
Interesting observations, pov603. As another example of how "the forces behind the media manipulate certain agendas and undermine cultural beliefs", let me suggest to you, if I may (and if you don't know it already), the enlightening analysis that David Duke makes of the popular movie "300".

It's a video analysis in 5 parts, but the first 3 (starting from part 1 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ka7Qihne0c) are actually a more general introduction by Dr. Duke. You can listen to those too, also as an historical preamble to the analysis of the movie, but if you want to go directly to the latter here are the links to part 4 and 5.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efUY-wjIR_o

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUo9hU8BWMc
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Re: Musings about Kubrick, Hollywood and the Moon Hoax

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ADMIN NOTICE (Critical Mass): As I said try & be a bit more discerning in future... a minutes worth of googling before you posted would have revealed that the video had been thoroughly debunked days before.[/quote]

Fair enough.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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Brian,

I read the ‘amercement’ wiki page. Very interesting! It may indeed have been the origin of ‘America.’ Francis Bacon is considered the architect of America and the Royal Society of London. He foreshadowed/inspired their creation in works like New Atlantis. Speaking of which, I thought I’d post a few wiki excerpts relevant to this thread.
New Atlantis is an incomplete utopian novel by Sir Francis Bacon, published in 1627. In this work, Bacon portrayed a vision of the future of human discovery and knowledge, expressing his aspirations and ideals for humankind. The novel depicts the creation of a utopian land where "generosity and enlightenment, dignity and splendour, piety and public spirit" are the commonly held qualities of the inhabitants of the mythical Bensalem. The plan and organisation of his ideal college, Salomon's House (or Solomon's House), envisioned the modern research university in both applied and pure sciences.
Salomon’s House specializes in…
Bensalem's Conversion to Christianity

Later the Father of Salomon's House reveals the institution's skill at creating illusions of light:

"We represent also all multiplications of light, which we carry to great distance, and make so sharp as to discern small points and lines. Also all colorations of light: all delusions and deceits of the sight, in figures, magnitudes, motions, colors; all demonstrations of shadows. We find also divers means, yet unknown to you, of producing of light, originally from divers bodies."


He also boasts about their ability to fake miracles:

"And surely you will easily believe that we, that have so many things truly natural which induce admiration, could in a world of particulars deceive the senses if we would disguise those things, and labor to make them more miraculous."
Renaker points out the Latin of the second passage is stronger and literally translates to "we could impose on men's senses an infinite number of things if we wanted to present these things as, and exalt them into, a miracle."

The skill of creating illusions coupled with the incredibility of the story of the origin of Bensalem's Christianity makes it seem that Bacon was intimating that the light show (or at least the story of its occurrence) was an invention of Salomon's House.
…magic and deception, which allow it to…

Who Rules Bensalem?
The Father of Salomon's House reveals that members of that institution decide on their own which of their discoveries to keep secret, even from the State:

"And this we do also: we have consultations, which of the inventions and experiences which we have discovered shall be published, and which not; and take all an oath of secrecy for the concealing of those which we think fit to keep secret; though some of those we do reveal sometime to the State, and some not."

This would seem to imply that the State does not hold the monopoly on authority and that Salomon's House must in some sense be superior to the State.

In the introduction to the critical edition of New Atlantis, Jerry Weinberger notes that Joabin is the only contemporary character (i.e., living at the time of the story) described as wise—and wise in matters of government and rule at that. Weinberger speculates that Joabin may be the actual ruler of Bensalem. On the other hand, prejudice against Jews was widespread in his time, so the possibility cannot be excluded that Bacon was calling Joabin wise for the same reason that he felt the need elsewhere to call him "the good Jew": to make clear that Joabin's character was benign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atlantis
…supersede the authority of the State!


In short, Bacon’s God is Lucifer!

Francis Bacon’s God - Stephen A. McKnight


In 1968 Howard B. White published Peace among the Willows, the first book-length analysis of Bacon’s “New Atlantis.” White, a political theorist who regards Bacon as a principal shaper of modern political ideas, maintains that it is this utopian work and not one of Bacon’s philosophical treatises that provides the fullest statement of Bacon’s political theory. White is especially interested in what he regards as Bacon’s secularization of politics and glorification of the power of science to serve the interests of the secular state. In developing his argument, White maintains that “New Atlantis” must be read with meticulous care in order to understand Bacon’s complex interweaving and transformation of political iconography, ancient history and fables, religious symbols, scientific methodologies, and pseudoscientific concepts. White devotes considerable attention to Bacon’s use of religious themes and argues that he manipulates them in order to subvert Christian ideas and transform them into a culturally acceptable justification for a preoccupation with luxury and materialism. According to White, Bacon’s purpose is to transform the human quest from the search for the “heavenly city” to the creation of the well-governed country, and to change the philosophical quest from an effort to understand God, God’s Creation, and humanity’s place in it to a pursuit to understand what humans can make of themselves.


Ancient Wisdom and the Instauration of Knowledge

In the preface to Wisdom of the Ancients, Bacon explains that the fables of Homer and Hesiod “must be regarded as neither being the inventions nor belonging to the age of the poets themselves, but as sacred relics and light airs breathing out of better times, that were caught from the traditions of more ancient nations and so received into the flutes and trumpets of the Greeks.” The problem is that their true meaning has been lost, obscured, or distorted over time; and previous generations have been unqualified to interpret them. Bacon’s purpose, therefore, is to re-present the fables and give them their proper interpretation. For the present purpose, our discussion can be confined to the fable of Orpheus, which is for Bacon the story of the decline of philosophy as it descends from the natural philosophy of the ancient wisemen to moral and civil philosophy and finally to a state of almost total disintegration. In its pristine state, according to Bacon, “natural philosophy proposes to itself as its noblest work of all, nothing less than the restitution and renovation [instauratio] of things corruptible, and (what is indeed the same thing in a lower degree) the conservation of bodies in the state in which they are, and the retardation of dissolution and putrefaction.” The effort at retardation, however, means arduous labor, and failure leads to frustration and to the adoption of the easier task—the management of human affairs through moral and civil philosophy. This stage of philosophy remains stable for a while, but it too declines with the passage of time, and moral and civil laws are put to silence. And if such troubles last, Bacon warns, “it is not for long before letters also and philosophy are so torn in pieces that no traces of them can be found but a few fragments, scattered here and there.” When philosophy and civilization reach this low point, barbarism sets in and disorder prevails “until, according to the appointed vicissitude of things, they break out and issue forth again, perhaps among other nations, and not in the places where they were before.”

Three elements of this Baconian fable are worthy of emphasis. The pure, original philosophy takes as its task the restitution and renovation of things corruptible. This god-given ability is lost through the lack of human effort and will. The decline, however, is not permanent. According to “the appointed vicissitude of things”—which is to say, providential intervention—true philosophy will return, and humanity will be restored to its primordial condition, but not necessarily in the place it originated.

With this brief discussion of Bacon’s fable of the degeneration of the original, pure form of philosophy in mind, we can now better understand the activities of Solomon’s House as the preservation and perpetuation of natural philosophy in its original, pure form. The investigations of Solomon’s House are aimed at finding “the knowledge of Causes, and secret motions of things”[ :rolleyes: ]; they produce new artificial metals, which are used for curing diseases [ STILL A FANTACY! ], and blended mineral waters created by the brethren “for health and prolongation of life.” The activities of Solomon’s House are reminiscent of Bacon’s accounts in Wisdom of the Ancients of the original, pure philosophy used to retard age, prolong life, and restore corruptible things to their original, pure state.

This emphasis on the restitution of health and the prolongation of life runs throughout “New Atlantis,” and no function of Solomon’s House appears to be more important. The European sailors who are sick are given a fruit with remarkable restorative properties; it causes the sick to think that they had been “cast into some Divine Pool of healing.” White and others see this emphasis on “prolonging life” and drawing other benefits from nature as evidence of Bacon’s materialism and secularism. It is more accurate to see these results as evidence that the reverent study of nature by Solomon’s House allows them to overcome the alienation from God and nature that is the consequence of Original Sin[ :rolleyes: ]. The Brethren understand nature and are able to enjoy the benefits God intended humanity to possess. This return to Eden is a result of the spiritual quest that has purged the members of Solomon’s House of pride (the cause of the Fall) and the pious devotion to God that has prompted them to “love the neighbor as the self.”

In addition, the reference to Solomon’s Natural History seems to allude to a Jewish esoteric tradition in which Solomon was not only wise in the way described in the Biblical accounts, he also possessed a deep understanding of the mysteries of the Creation. Several variations of this tradition were fairly widely known in the early modern period. In one version, the original esoteric knowledge is given to Adam but lost through the Fall. Another version has the knowledge given to Moses on Mount Sinai and placed in the Ark of the Tabernacle, where it was accessible only to the High Priest. The Ark and then later Solomon’s Temple became a center for communing with the powers and principalities governing the world. The work of Solomon’s House, then, is clearly in accord with both the “pagan” tradition of a pure ancient wisdom and with the Jewish esoteric traditions associating Solomon and Solomon’s Temple with cabalistic knowledge.
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... bacons-god


God is ‘dead’…
The Soul is the ‘psyche’.
Life is nothing but transferable ‘energy’.
Consciousness has been demoted to ‘subconscious’.
If philosophy is dead, as Stephen Hawking claims, it’s because of pigs like Bacon!
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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I can imagine that some or many of you may be cautious with figures like William L. Pierce because he is depicted, on Wikedpedia for example, as a “neo-nazi”, a white nationalist (which of course amounts to “racist” nowadays), and because he did advocate various forms of resistance against Jewish domination of America and the world, including an armed revolution (which he explores at least as a fictional scenario in his novels “The Turner Diaries” and “Hunter”, both written under the pseudonym of Andrew MacDonald).

I know how unpopular such a strong position can be in our “pacifist” and “politically correct” times, in which even organizing a peaceful, unarmed rally goes beyond what most people are willing to do to protest against the “shitstem”.

Nevertheless, I can’t stress enough the fact that, IMO, this man’s understanding of the “Jewish Question”, especially in relation to their control of the media, is still unparalleled today, 13 years after his death.

As most revealing proof of this, I’ve just listened to one of his radio broadcasts titled “How It Fits Together” (you can find the whole text in the collection of all of Pierce’s radio broadcasts at https://archive.org/stream/WilliamLuthe ... e_djvu.txt ).

In it, he starts by examining what he considers (and I agree) the main reason of their “success”, i.e. their extremely strong racial consciousness. They stick together, no matter what, and they pursue their own common interests as a group (and not only some “special interests”, like white people do instead), to the detriment of all other races considered “inferior” in their religion and culture. This, together with their keen “business mentality” (also encouraged by their religion, as I probably will show more in detail in a forthcoming post), allowed them, since ancient times, to accumulate wealth and to control kings and other leaders of the countries they resided in by lending money to them, with interests of course.

At this point, after summarizing the first part of his speech, I’ll quote most of the second part, in which Pierce explains very effectively why Jewish control of the media (and media fakery, we might add) is the means by which they have managed to extend their influence from only the rulers to also the common people of the societies they live in.
One more thing we must understand about the Jews is the way in which they maintain their status
as the dominant minority among us today. In ancient times it was through their accumulated
wealth. They were able to buy influence and special privileges for themselves. It remained that
way pretty much for the next 1900 years. Throughout the Middle Ages they made themselves
useful as sources of money to kings and popes and emperors. They would suck the wealth from
the host population, and then give or lend some of it to the rulers in return for being allowed to
keep their privileges. Although they usually were tolerated for their usefulness by the rulers, they
were hated intensely by the general population. The Jews bought the tolerance of the rulers, but
of course, they couldn't afford to buy the tolerance of the people.

And so until quite recently the Jews maintained a separate existence among the host population,
often living in ghettos, not mixing socially with their hosts, generally not engaging in the same
occupations, and regarded with disdain if not revulsion by everyone. The great advantage for our
people of this mode of existence was that the damage done by the Jews was mostly economic,
although they also caused political mischief when it suited their needs. But they had almost no
cultural influence on our people. They didn't write books or plays, they didn't paint or compose
music, they didn't clog up our universities, they didn't run for public office, and of course, they didn't have
television studios or newspapers or advertising agencies. And so to a large extent they lived their lives, and
we lived ours.

That began changing drastically approximately 200 years ago, with the advent of the mass media
and mass democracy, and the change accelerated greatly during this century. Jews understood
immediately the potential that newspapers and other media gave them for extending their
influence from the rulers to the whole population, and democracy made this extension of their
influence relevant; democracy provided the tool for transforming influence into power. […]

But I do want to emphasize this very important point: the way in which the Jews maintain their
position as the dominant minority in our society has changed. It used to be moneylending and
bribes, and the pressure was exerted only at the top, on the political leaders of our society; today
it's control of the mass media of news and entertainment, and the pressure is exerted at every
level of society
. Some people still talk darkly about international Jewish bankers — and of
course, there are such animals today, just as there also are international bankers who are not Jews
— but the control of the media is the key to Jewish power today, not control of banking. The most
important Jews today no longer are the Rothschilds and Warburgs and Hambros and Sassoons,
but instead are the Eisners and Levins and Newhouses and Redstones and Bronfmans and
Sulzbergers: the Jewish media bosses.

So now let's look at the details of the Jewish application of influence through media control.
Most people have a very limited range of real life experiences. Television and films and glossy
magazine advertisements provide an enormous expansion of experience for the average person,
by substituting artificial experiences for real experiences. On the television screen viewers
experience artificial social relationships, artificial romances, artificial conflicts, artificial life. In
advertisements they are given artificial ideals of beauty and fashion, artificial life-styles to which
they can aspire. And in their newspapers and newsmagazines they are given a carefully filtered, a
carefully slanted, view of what is happening in the world.

And unfortunately most people do not have sufficient powers of discrimination to distinguish the
artificial world of the media from the real world of everyday experience. The two worlds merge
in their minds, and they can't tell them apart. What people see on the television screen is not just
entertainment; it is a collection of artificial experiences which merges with their collection of
real experiences and gives them a new and largely artificial basis for evaluating things and
making decisions. Cleverly designed advertisements don't just show potential customers what is
available and give them the information they need to choose what they want; clever advertising
actually creates new wants, new desires, that didn't exist before. The advertisements manipulate
people's desires and motivations. In a similar way television entertainment manipulates viewers
psychologically. It changes their values and attitudes. It strongly affects the way they see things -
- including political issues and political candidates.

Well, I hardly have to tell you that the modern mass media give enormous power, unprecedented
power, to whoever controls them — especially in a democracy. And really, no knowledgeable
person who is honest will dispute my conclusion here. There are many people, who are not
knowledgeable, who believe that they can watch television without being affected by it, who
believe that they make up their minds independently without relying on the artificial reality
supplied by television, but most of these people are mistaken
, and the experts will agree with me
on this. The mass media do shape public opinion, and in a democracy they do control the
political process
.

So now the only question which remains is this: To what end do the Jews who control the media
use their control? What is their aim? What do they want? Now, the Politically Correct answer is
that all the Jewish media bosses want is what any other businessman wants. The media bosses
are simply businessmen, and their aim is simply to run their businesses at a profit.

Well, I'm sorry, but that simply isn't true. It simply is not a coincidence that everywhere you look
in the mass media you see Jews in control. It's not a coincidence that a group making up only a
little over two per cent of the population has virtually complete control over the mass media. The
unanimity of the mass media on virtually every major issue of our time simply is not a
coincidence. It is simply not a coincidence that the media bosses all just happen to have adopted
the policy of hushing up Black-on-White crime and publicizing as widely as possible any White-
on-Black crime. All of these things are planned and deliberate. They are the consequence of
conscious collaboration. Only a fool can believe that it's all just coincidence.

The Jewish media bosses know what they want. It is control — not just of the media, but of us: of
everything. They want to own us and, to the extent that they cannot own us, to destroy us.
Unfortunately, I cannot play for you a secret recording of one of their summit meetings, where
they discuss their goals and their strategy, a la the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”. I can only
offer you the historical record and common sense. The record, for those who have eyes to see
and an open mind, is pretty clear, beginning with the account in the book of Genesis of the
takeover of Egypt by Joseph and his brothers so that they could all "eat the fat of the land," on
through the ages to the Marxist takeover of Russia early in this century and the attempted
takeover in many other countries. [...]

If you want to understand the historical record, you must study it. I can't go through all of that for
you in a half-hour program. I can only point the way. And as for the common-sense aspect of
understanding what the Jewish media bosses are up to, we just need to clear the cobwebs out of
our heads and realize that every racially conscious group strives for mastery, for domination, not
just the Jews. That's Nature's way. That's the way it is in every barnyard and every schoolyard.

And that is why the media propaganda takes the deliberate slant it does: trying to make us feel
guilty, trying to kill our sense of racial consciousness while the Jews keep theirs, trying to
persuade us to give up our arms, trying to silence all our dissident voices. Their aim is for us to
be racially unconscious, for us to be ashamed of our nature and our traditions, for us to be afraid
to organize for our common good, afraid of being thought racists. The deliberate aim of the
Jewish media propaganda is to disarm us morally, to make us rootless and defenseless, and then
to destroy us. That is what is happening now.

Think about it, and you'll see how it all fits together.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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jumpy64 wrote:I can imagine that some or many of you may be cautious with figures like William L. Pierce because he is depicted, on Wikedpedia for example, as a “neo-nazi”, a white nationalist (which of course amounts to “racist” nowadays), and because he did advocate various forms of resistance against Jewish domination of America and the world, including an armed revolution (which he explores at least as a fictional scenario in his novels “The Turner Diaries” and “Hunter”, both written under the pseudonym of Andrew MacDonald).

I know how unpopular such a strong position can be in our “pacifist” and “politically correct” times, in which even organizing a peaceful, unarmed rally goes beyond what most people are willing to do to protest against the “shitstem”.
I've read The Turner diaries... the book is almost a parody of White Supremacism & militarism (It has little to do with Nationalism) & ends with the extermination of all non-white races from the face of planet Earth :rolleyes: .

I think it's more than reasonable for Cluesforum readers to be 'cautious' with regards to such individuals & their 'strong' positions.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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Critical Mass wrote:I've read The Turner diaries... the book is almost a parody of White Supremacism & militarism (It has little to do with Nationalism) & ends with the extermination of all non-white races from the face of planet Earth :rolleyes: .

I think it's more than reasonable for Cluesforum readers to be 'cautious' with regards to such individuals & their 'strong' positions.
In fact, I'm not advocating such positions. Actually I don't even know about them, but even if they are really as you sum them up, I think they shouldn't invalidate Pierce's enlightening points, which I think are those I quoted. You don't have to agree with everything someone says to recognize if he says something which you think is right. Especially when someone is dead, like in his case, we can easily take what we consider good and useful and throw away the rest. To be sure, I find nothing inappropriate in the passages I quoted, and I stand by them.

As for the "Turner Diaries", I haven't finished reading it yet, but if it really ends how you say it does, then it would be in total contradiction with what Pierce repeatedly says in his non-fictional writings, i.e. that every race should have their own territory to control and dominate. I've never read or heard from him anything that even remotely resembles the total extermination you talk about, but I'll get back to this when I have finished reading the book, either to confirm or to deny what you said about it.

It's not that I don't want to trust you, but what you say really contradicts everything I know about Pierce, so I hope you'll forgive my skepticism. Also because from what I've read so far "The Turner Diaries" are about the liberation of the US from Jewish domination and from people of other races used by the Jews to accomplish their aim of white genocide, so I really can't imagine how Turner's "Organization" could go so far as to "eliminate all non-white races from the face of the planet", no less. It sounds absurd to me, but I'll read and see.

And of course, if it really ends as you say, I'll write about it both to criticize the author for such an absurd ending and to apologize for having quoted the book, however just incidentally, and for having doubted what you said.

Anyway, "The Turner Diaries" are a work of fiction, so things are likely to be exaggerated as in many other "catastrophic" works of fiction, and I'm not promoting it. I just presented some of Pierce's ideas I find very true and relevant to this thread (which is about the possibility of a more or less "open" Jewish conspiracy to control the world, and not about everything Pierce says), so I would be very interested to know your opinion about what I quoted.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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In the same way a broken clock is still right twice a day, this goes to show that what might be seen and how it may be interpreted depends upon when the viewer looks at the object.
Just because something may be a parody doesn't mean it is without merit. Most of what passes for political rebuttal on TV is in the shape of parody even at the best of times with the best of intent.

There is no doubt we are being manipulated by the press/TV/advertising hoards/fashion trends etc. and this goes to show that, even in an apparently 'ecologically-aware' society with 'politically/socially-correct companies' they are happy to manipulate us to throw away our 'guaranteed for 10years' item of clothing/hardware/electronics for the 'next best thing' that they themselves have conjured up.

Every religion [aside from race] strives for all inhabitants to adhere to its message and bemoans how much better the world could be if we were all Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Pagan etc. [except Jewish it would seem].

It is no different to exerting ones supremacy over others with neighbouring countries adopting lifestyle, customs, language of the 'deemed-to-be-better' country nearby [An easy-ish example being the influence England has had on Wales, Scotland and Ireland, not always with force].

However with Jews and Judaism [Jew-deism?], there does not seem to be a semblance of 'spreading the word' as with most other Religious countries vying for influence. Israel rather extends its hand/patronage to those already of the same flock [Falashas of Ethiopia - rescued by the Israelis without scant concern for non-Jews in the vicinity at the time].

@CM it would help if you could cite the passages from the 'Turner Diaries' which you believe show it is a parody of White Supremacism/Militarism as well as where it advocates extermination of all non-white races from the face of the Planet Earth [in a different way to how the 'good books' of most religions don't?].

That way the reader can judge for themselves whether to delve more into the matter and treat anything with more or less caution that they may have originally intended.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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Excellent points, pov603! I could even have avoided writing my last post if I had read yours first, because you express certain things better than I did.

I agree with what you said about the peculiar nature of the Jewish religion, which doesn't want to convert others, like other major religions, but just to dominate them surreptitiously (I'm adding this last part, but I think you may agree with me here).

And I like this point, in particular:
@CM it would help if you could cite the passages from the 'Turner Diaries' which you believe show it is a parody of White Supremacism/Militarism as well as where it advocates extermination of all non-white races from the face of the Planet Earth [in a different way to how the 'good books' of most religions don't?].
That way the reader can judge for themselves whether to delve more into the matter and treat anything with more or less caution that they may have originally intended.
It's something I forgot to ask CM myself while writing my post, but I'm asking it now through your very effective words, pov603, if you don't mind.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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jumpy64 wrote:And of course, if it really ends as you say, I'll write about it both to criticize the author for such an absurd ending and to apologize for having quoted the book, however just incidentally, and for having doubted what you said.
pov603 wrote: @CM it would help if you could cite the passages from the 'Turner Diaries' which you believe show it is a parody of White Supremacism/Militarism as well as where it advocates extermination of all non-white races from the face of the Planet Earth [in a different way to how the 'good books' of most religions don't?].
Well the whole book appears to be a parody (and 'The Organization' are a 'mary sue' of quite epic proportions) but passages like these are illustrative of the whole...
When, during the summer and early fall of 1999, one European nation after another was liberated by the Organization, the Chinese decided to make a grab for European Russia. The Organization countered this move massively, using nuclear missiles to knock out the still-primitive Chinese missile and strategic-bomber capabilities, as well as hitting a number of new Chinese troop concentrations west of the Urals. Unfortunately, this action did not stem the Yellow tide flowing north and west from China.

The Organization still required time to reorganize and reorient the European populations newly under its control before it could hope to deal in a conventional manner with the enormous numbers of Chinese infantry pouring across the Urals into Europe; all its dependable troops at that time were hardly sufficient even for garrison duty in the newly liberated and still not entirely pacified areas of eastern and southern Europe.

Therefore, the Organization resorted to a combination of chemical, biological, and radiological means, on an enormous scale, to deal with the problem. Over a period of four years some 16 million square miles of the earth's surface, from the Ural Mountains to the Pacific and from the Arctic Ocean to the Indian Ocean, were effectively sterilized. Thus was the Great Eastern Waste created.

Only in the last decade have certain areas of the Waste been declared safe for colonization. Even so, they are "safe" only in the sense that the poisons sowed there a century ago have abated to the point that they are no longer a hazard to life. As everyone is aware, the bands of mutants which roam the Waste remain a real threat, and it may be another century before the last of them has been eliminated and White colonization has once again established a human presence throughout this vast area
Uganda was a political subdivision of the continent of Africa during the Old Era, when that continent was inhabited by the Negro race. Puerto Rico was the Old Era name of the island of New Carolina. It is occupied now by the descendants of White refugees from radioactive areas of the southeastern United States, but before the race purges in the final days of the Great Revolution it was inhabited by a mongrel race of especially unsavory character.)
When the arrests first started the public didn't realize what was coming, and many citizens were cocky and abusive. I was present shortly before dawn when the soldiers dragged about a dozen young people out of a large house near one of the university campuses, and they, as well as their housemates who were not arrested, were screaming obscenities at our men and spitting on them. All but one of those arrested here were either Jews, Blacks, or mongrels of various sorts, and two of the loudest of them were immediately shot, while the others were herded into a marching column.

The last was a White girl, about 19, a bit flabby but still pretty. The shootings had calmed her down enough so that she was no longer screaming, "Racist pigs!" at the soldiers, but when the preparations for her hanging shortly thereafter awakened her to her own fate, she became hysterical.

Informed that she was about to pay the price for defiling her race by living with a Black lover, the girl wailed, "But why me?"
As the rope was knotted around her neck, she blubbered out, "I was only doing what everyone else was. Why are you picking on me? It's not fair! What about Helen? She was sleeping with him too."

At this last outcry before the girl's breath was cut off forever, one of the other girls (presumably Helen) in the group of now-silent spectators on the lawn shrank back in terror.

Of course, no one answered the girl's question, "Why me?" The answer is simply that her name happened to be on our list and
Helen's didn't. There's nothing "fair" about that-or unfair either. The girl who was hanged deserved what she got. Helen probably deserves the same fate-and she is undoubtedly suffering the torments of the damned now, in fear that she eventually will be found out and forced to pay the price her friend did
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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jumpy64 wrote: I just presented some of Pierce's ideas I find very true and relevant to this thread (which is about the possibility of a more or less "open" Jewish conspiracy to control the world, and not about everything Pierce says), so I would be very interested to know your opinion about what I quoted.
"How it fits together" is from 1998.

'Jews control the media' is a very old trope by that time period.

My 2015 opinion would be "No shit, Sherlock".

At the time I'd never heard of him.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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Critical Mass wrote:Well the whole book appears to be a parody (and 'The Organization' are a 'mary sue' of quite epic proportions) but passages like these are illustrative of the whole...
I really don't like the passages you quoted. Actually, you spoiled my reading of the book <_< Seriously, maybe I will continue reading it anyway, to see how the author gets to such an apparently unnecessary catastrophic point.

So, as promised, I'm criticizing the author for what seems an absurdly catastrophic and unnecessarily destructive ending, even in the predictable exaggerations of a fictional work. I would have avoided quoting the book in question in such a delicate thread as this one if I had known about its ending, also because it appears to be really in contrast, I repeat, with what Pierce says in his non fictional writings. I think he didn't help his cause with such novels. At this point, in fact, I haven't got much hope for "Hunter" to be more balanced than "The Turner Diaries"...

And also as promised, I apologize for doubting your word, although what we learn here is to check everything before believing it, so I don't really regret wanting to check this personally or demanding more evidence from you.

But as I said, while discarding Pierce as one of my favorite fiction writers, I still stand by what he says in the texts I quoted and in most others I've read. I certainly don't intend to throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.

As for Jewish control of the media being "a very old trope" already in the 1990s, as you say, well I don't think the points that Pierce makes are so well known or even trite as you seem to suggest. In fact, I haven't had an easy time myself in trying to make them even here in 2015, especially at the beginning of this thread.

So, if you already know everything about the subject of a "Jewish conspiracy", or at least of "Jewish media control", I invite you not to take certain knowledge for granted and to contribute more to this thread with the precious information you have, together with your insightful comments. I, for one, would benefit from your sharing efforts and be grateful to you for making them.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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I see where you’re coming from Jumpy but I’m afraid CM’s take is closer to the truth. I’ve read Turner Diaries and in my opinion it’s the work of militant rabbis (similar to Might is Right or 'The Survival of the fittest' By Ragnar Redbeard). It’s a saber-rattling work meant to attract revolutionaries & lead them off a cliff.
jumpy64 wrote:They didn't write books or plays, they didn't paint or compose music, they didn't clog up our universities, they didn't run for public office, and of course, they didn't have television studios or newspapers or advertising agencies. And so to a large extent they lived their lives, and we lived ours.
WTF was this guy smoking & where can Uncle IC score some of that wacky tobaccy? Seriously, help a brother out!
jumpy64 wrote:Some people still talk darkly about international Jewish bankers — and of course, there are such animals today, just as there also are international bankers who are not Jews — but the control of the media is the key to Jewish power today, not control of banking.
JIGGA wha? Control of banking is (and has always been) the KEY!
pov603 wrote:However with Jews and Judaism [Jew-deism?], there does not seem to be a semblance of 'spreading the word' as with most other Religious countries vying for influence.
Excellent point, pov603! Jew-deism ( :lol: ), as you put it, doesn’t need to recruit. Christianity and Islam do the recruiting for it. It’s analogous to the European Union and the U.K. Europe is divided (military, economy, population, etc…) in two equal halves making the U.K. the ‘controlling’ party in stalemate situations.


P.S.
At the risk of catching the wrath of Jumpy, I think there's a whole lot of truth to brianv's Fuck it! We're all "jews". ;)


P.P.S.
"The Queen is the 122nd lineal descendant of King David, who is of the tribe of Judah. The royal line of the Messiah comes through the tribe of Judah and continues until His second coming. Note the royal standard above sees King David's Harp (Ireland), the red rampant lion of the Zerah line of Judah (Scotland), and the three lions of the tribe of Judah. It is important also to note that it is documented that King William the Conqueror and the Normans were descendants of Judah which is significant because they introduced the lions emblem to England in the 11th Century. Jesus Christ is the Lion of The Tribe of Judah (Revelation 5 verse 5), and The King of Kings (Revelation 19 verse 16).

The final fulfillment of the prophecy is in the second coming of Jesus Christ to Earth to rule and reign for a thousand years in Jerusalem, (Revelation 20 verse 4) and ultimately forever (Revelation 22 verse 5)."
http://www.jesusevidence.org/gen.html
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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jumpy64 wrote: And also as promised, I apologize for doubting your word, although what we learn here is to check everything before believing it, so I don't really regret wanting to check this personally or demanding more evidence from you..
Indeed.. although I will point out that an additional lesson of finishing a book that one has 'started reading' has also been highlighted.
So, if you already know everything about the subject of a "Jewish conspiracy", or at least of "Jewish media control", I invite you not to take certain knowledge for granted and to contribute more to this thread with the precious information you have, together with your insightful comments.
Do NOT put words in my mouth... I never wrote anything about possessing any 'precious information' or claimed to know 'everything' about any subject.

However I will say that Joel Stein's 2008 article (& your own update to it) tells one much of what they need to know... and that such open control is admitted to even by (some) Jewish people themselves.

Articles like Joel's & Henry Fords have been written for many decades as far as I can tell... here's one about the UK media dating from 1997.

Yet despite these articles no-one appears to seriously bother questioning the media (or the imagery it presents) until Simon's September Clues.

I hope you'll also note that Simon hasn't written a 'fictional novel' in which 90% of the worlds population is wiped out by psychopathic Cluesforum members/militants.



PS: @ ICfreely

Brianv's 'gut feelings', almost inevitably, turn out to be correct... grumpy, old sod that he is. One, unconnected example, of this is his initial immediate observation about the Matthew Goff photos from the Paris thread... a month later & I'm more & more becoming convinced that Goff is a sim.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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One of the important lessons I have learned here at Clues Forum is to question everything.
Even I, a self-confessed Jew, was under the impression that the media is truly controlled by Jews, but as I have learned usually "when everyone is thinking the same, chances are noone is thinking at all".
So I decide to do a little research to find out who are these Jews that are controlling our media, I was surprised to come across this article:

source: http://joshuapundit.blogspot.ca/2013/12 ... media.html
Nevertheless, I thought it would be worthwhile to examine this, since the fantasy of a secret cabal of Jews running the media seems to stoke the fires of fantasy in the warped heart of many an 'anti-Zionist'.

So let's look at it, shall we?

'Jews control the media'?

Well, let's take a look at who runs the media. There's Roger Ailes,who runs FOX and his boss Rupert Murdoch, neither of whom are Jews, and who have Saudi Prince Taleed as a major stockholder. There's Steve Burke, CEO of NBC/Comcast...not a Jew, which is interesting considering that our friend here cites MSNBC as running 'pro Jew' content.For that matter, Phil Griffin, who presides over MSNBC and takes Burke's orders isn't Jewish either.

The Tribune company, who owns a number of America's newspapers including the Chicago Tribune, The Los Angeles Times and the Miami Herald? Ummm, that's mostly owned by two corporations, Oaktree Financial, whose CEO is Howard Marks and Angelo-Gordan, run by John Angelo and Michael Gordon. Not a Jew in the bunch. And most of their content could hardly be termed 'pro-Zionist'. The reverse, in fact.

Talk radio? Cumulus Media, the colossus that syndicates the majority of the top talk radio content is run by one Lewis J. Dickey...not Jewish. The biggest names in talk radio are Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly, with Glenn Beck a close third. None of them are Jews either, although they are pro-Israel, as anyone with America's best interests at heart and with a sense of justice would be.

The New York Times? Please, my sides. Yes, it's run by Jews all right...the harshly anti-Israel Sulzbergers. A casual glance at the paper should put to rest any fears our friend Mr. Traina has about 'Zionist controlled media' over at Pravda-on-the-Hudson..

Those foreign media outlets..well, there's the BBC(UK), NHK (Japan). CBC (Canada), ABC (Australia), PBS/NPR, France 24 and the AFP, all of which are government owned, and several of these, namely PBS/NPR and the BBC can actually be said to be anti-Zionist, if anything.

There's Reuters, or Thompson-Reuters as it's corporately known. CEO? James C. Smith, not a Jew by any measure. There's al-Jazeera...not exactly a 'pro-Zionist site, wouldn't you agree?

Actually, when you really look at who runs the media, there are really only three Jews you come up with.

There's Les Moonves at CBS, hardly known for its pro-Israel coverage. Ditto with Disney/ABC, whose CEO is Bob Iger.

And then, finally, there's Jeff Bezos, who just bought the WAPO. Not a Jew, and I haven't seen any marked change in its coverage towards Israel before or after, have you?

Have any of these companies hired Jewish talent, staff or executive? Sure they have, but like any other employees, they do what they're told by the men who put them on the air and pay their salaries.
and this article:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ingle.html

an excerpt here:
Not one of the major television news operations—Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, CBS News, or NBC News—is currently headed by a Jewish executive. (That includes Ken Jautz, the man who fired Sanchez.) Or at least none of these executives has talked about being Jewish in a public forum. The Internet is littered with rumors about various media moguls being Jewish, but few of those claims are backed by any evidence.

There are more Jews at the head of the country's major newspapers, but it's still a stretch to say these publications are controlled by them. Even in New York City, where around 12 percent of the population is Jewish, there isn't any indication of Jewish dominance. The Ochs Sulzberger family, which has controlled the New York Times for more than a century, is of Jewish origin. But current Executive Editor Bill Keller is not.
At the Wall Street Journal, the only hint of Jewish influence at the top is the persistent Internet rumor that the mother of Rupert Murdoch, the CEO of Journal parent News Corp., is Jewish. Murdoch has joked about the gossip but hasn't addressed the whispers publicly. (The Explainer's phone calls to News Corp. headquarters went unreturned.) The Bancroft family, which controlled the Journal for nearly eight decades until they handed the reins to Murdoch in 2007, isn't Jewish, nor is current Journal Managing Editor Robert Thomson.

Jewish-American businessman Eugene Meyer bought the Washington Post in 1933. Philip Graham, his non-Jewish son-in-law, took over in 1946, and the paper has been published by gentiles ever since. Current Executive Editor Marcus Brauchli is not Jewish, nor are any of his top 12 editors. The Chandler family, which owned the Los Angeles Times for decades, is not Jewish. Sam Zell, who bought the paper in 2007, is a Jew, but top editor Russ Stanton is not.


Up until recently I believed that Clues Forum was the "go to " site when it came to exposing media fakery, false flags events and staged media hoaxes. It certainly was the site I turned to when I wanted to learn more about what was REALLY going on. It was also a site that I was proud to be a "member" of and happy to refer other people to look at when they expressed an interest in understanding how the media is being used by the government and the other "powers that be" to manipulate public opinion.

This has all changed as it now seems that Clues Forum has moved from a forum that was anti fakery and anti hoaxery to become a forum dominated by discussion that is predominantly anti-jewish.

Although I have continued to regularly check on the "unviewed posts" hoping to see a thread started on the San Bernadino shooting (a blatant media hoaxed event that is being promoted as the largest mass killing terrorist attack on US soil since 9-11), I finally started a thread myself today, more than two weeks after the event occurred.

Is it possible that this ongoing , rehashing, of "the dastardly Jews" story has derailed the main purpose of this forum?

Wishing everyone a happy holidays, a merry christmas, a happy hanukah, etc. My wish is for all Clues Forum members, guests, and their families, friends and associates, to enjoy a healthy, happy, and prosperous new year!

regards,

Steve O.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

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ICfreely wrote:
I see where you’re coming from Jumpy but I’m afraid CM’s take is closer to the truth. I’ve read Turner Diaries and in my opinion it’s the work of militant rabbis (similar to Might is Right or 'The Survival of the fittest' By Ragnar Redbeard). It’s a saber-rattling work meant to attract revolutionaries & lead them off a cliff.
Critical Mass wrote:
Indeed.. although I will point out that an additional lesson of finishing a book that one has 'started reading' has also been highlighted.
Guys, I can take criticism, but at this point I think you are forgetting one essential thing: I didn't write a post about "The Turner Diaries"! I just mentioned it as an example (together with "Hunter", which luckily you guys don't seem to have read either) of Pierce exploring the fictional possibility of an armed revolution, that's all. For me only the fact that he dared to think of such a possibility, even in a fictional way, was the strong position. I didn't go into details that I didn't know. And I don't think I have to finish reading, or even start to read, every book I mention just in passing.

So I'm sorry, "professor" CM ;) , but I can't take the additional "lesson" you'd like to give me.

Allow me to tell you something instead. I'm not sure what you did was really fair. My reference to "The Turner Diaries" was just in passing, as I said, and didn't constitute the "meat" of the post, which regarded what Pierce had to say about Jewish media control. But you chose to focus your attention on this marginal part of the post and used it, consciously or not, to imply that we should be cautious with everything Pierce has to say. This is called a "character assassination" attempt in my vocabulary, although it was maybe unconscious on your part, I don't know.

Anyway, it doesn't work for me, because I don't need somebody to be a saint, or to have done everything right in his life, to recognize when he's saying something that sounds true to me, as in Pierce's case.

And I think you're also off the mark when you compare Pierce to Simon, because the latter is an essential pioneer of media fakery, while Pierce wasn't denouncing media fakery, but just Jewish control of the media, something I believe Simon had not done here or anywhere else before I started this thread.

So the two are not in competition but complementary to me: Simon has opened my eyes on media fakery, while Pierce is helping me in gaining a deeper understanding of the effects of Jewish control of the media. And the fact that Simon didn't write a novel in which the world population is wiped out by psychopatic Cluesforum members, as you say, is a good thing for him but, once again, totally irrelevant to the good points Pierce makes when he doesn't wear his fiction writer cap.
ICfreely wrote:

jumpy64 wrote:
They didn't write books or plays, they didn't paint or compose music, they didn't clog up our universities, they didn't run for public office, and of course, they didn't have television studios or newspapers or advertising agencies. And so to a large extent they lived their lives, and we lived ours.



WTF was this guy smoking & where can Uncle IC score some of that wacky tobaccy? Seriously, help a brother out!


ICfreely, I know you can be funny, but I prefer when you express clearly what you have to say, as you can do so well. So please, tell me what you think is wrong with that particular Pierce quote, because it sounds just right to me.
ICfreely wrote:

jumpy64 wrote:
Some people still talk darkly about international Jewish bankers — and of course, there are such animals today, just as there also are international bankers who are not Jews — but the control of the media is the key to Jewish power today, not control of banking.


JIGGA wha? Control of banking is (and has always been) the KEY!
To this I can respond, although I don't know what "Jigga" means :P. Control of banking is essential in the sense that you can buy the media (in addition to all the rest), but other than that I agree with Pierce that the media are the key to Jewish power today. In fact, as he says, with money you can buy the rulers, but not the sympathy of the people. I mean, Jewish were rich and often powerful in the past too, but few people liked them, so they resented their power. It's only through their control of the media that now they can brainwash common people into liking them, and even defending them as "victims", instead of resenting them as oppressors.
ICfreely wrote:
At the risk of catching the wrath of Jumpy, I think there's a whole lot of truth to brianv's Fuck it! We're all "jews". ;)

Well, at least you already knew what to expect ;) Speak for yourself, buddy! I'm most certainly NOT a Jew! Not in the racial sense, and especially not in a moral sense, because my values are the opposite of those Jews as a whole have demonstrated to uphold throughout their history. I'm not going into details here, because probably it would take another post, but I think you can guess what I mean.

I imagine (or maybe hope) that yours is mostly a provocation, IC, but for me whoever really thinks that "We're all Jews" deserves JPMs as their masters.
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