Let’s keep this tread on track, guys. Its title is: “Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspiracy, and it’s about the JPMs wishing to control our world (and about folks not realizing this fact). Can this be denied – yes or no?
jumpy64 wrote:Seneca wrote:I agree with you that it is wrong to deny that races exist. I agree people should be free to discriminate. But I think there are much more useful groups to discriminate than races, and that except for the Jewish race, looking at a person’s race is probably not useful. But maybe you have some facts to back up your claims such as: “We can freely acknowledge that there are some good blacks, Muslims, and Jews. There just aren’t enough of them for our tastes”.
By the way you quoted this you made clear you agreed with it. But I still can't understand how you can come to this conclusion. Except for the part about Jews. Maybe it is because you use other definitions than me?
Earlier you wrote: “In fact I'm actually including in my ‘white people’ definition all really integrated and civil people of any race, color and creed”.
If you count all good blacks, Muslims and Jews as "white" and not as black, Muslim, Jewish... the quote is obviously true ; but this is not what Greg Johnson is saying.
You're right, Johnson was saying something more radical, and I thought it could have been a useful "provocation", if you will. But what I really think was expressed by my inclusive definition of all really integrated, civil people of any race, color and creed.
But to make sure that these people are really integrated, I think there should be severe politics to punish and even repatriate people who don't respect our rules and values, as anybody with some pride and common sense would do with someone who, after being accepted as a guest in their house, disrespected it. […]
I think that "multiculturalism" and the invasion of Europe under the guise of "humanitarian crises" (and we know better than anybody else how fake or at least manipulated these "crises" are) should be stopped ASAP. Actually, these things have already gone too far. We are letting JPMs "suicide" us.
To tell you the truth, I don't think we can really have racially homogeneous societies anymore, and this is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as, as I said before, people who want to come in our societies do that with the real intention of integrating in them. If they do, they could even enrich them, and we have demonstrated more than enough opennes to accept them as our own. But if they come to attack and destroy us, they should be treated as enemies, not naively welcomed as "poor refugees". I can accept and even welcome you in my house if you ask for hospitality and you're grateful with me for granting it to you. Otherwise, if you don't like my house or how it's run, you should go back to yours and run that as you like, not mine.
To do this, we need first of all to regain our moral strenght by refusing to feel guilty for all the evils of the world, as Jews go out of their way to make us feel with their propaganda. In my posts I have underscored the best qualities of the white race to counteract this nefarious propaganda, but if not superior we should at least feel not inferior to any other race, and fight for our right to have homelands in which our values and our rules are to be respected by outsiders. And anybody can become part of of our societies if they do respect them, of course.
And if we want to fight also for the rights of other ethnic or cultural groups, as we have demonstrated to be able to do even against our best interests sometimes, I think we should do it by helping oppressed people in their own countries.
But of course, before doing that, we must first free ourselves from the lethal influence of the ethnic group that's oppressing us in our own countries.
jumpy64 wrote:Seneca wrote:OK I am glad you cleared this up. I don't think many people understood that you used this as a provocation. I really had to look for that definition because I really wanted to inderstand what you meant. But others won't bother and I can't blame them.
As I said, the way you introduced the quote and put it in bold could only be interpreted as your complete agreement with it so maybe you would want that cleared up on the forum.
If you wanted to provoke people you have definately succeeded but I don't see what good you expected out of it. I agree that smj overreacted.
I agree with your solutions, and especially with your first step (free ourself from the lethal influence of the ethnic group that's oppressing us in our own countries). And I am very grateful for what you already accomplished on this forum.
Thank you, Seneca, but it still seems to me that, although a lot of people keep reading the thread (even while it was blocked), most members are still somewhat afraid to speak out on its subject. I probably scared them even more with my unsuccessful and evidently misguided "provocation", aimed at stimulating some pride in white people, but as I promised I won't do that again. I'm not interested in fighting with other members. I just want to find effective forms of collaboration, if possible.
"Jews should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for the hundreds of years were in exile there," the rabbi explained as the ethical reason for favoring Muslims, quoting shocking descriptions from the Rishonim literature (written by leading rabbis who lived during the 11th to 15th centuries) about pogroms and mass murders committed by Christians against Jews.
"We will never forgive Europe's Christians for slaughtering millions of our children, women and elderly… Not just in the recent Holocaust, but throughout the generations, in a consistent manner which characterizes all factions of hypocritical Christianity…
And now Europe is losing its identity in favor of another people and another religion, and there will be no remnants and survivors from the impurity of Christianity, which shed a lot of blood it won't be able to atone for."
Following the war, Etzioni spent a year studying at an institute established by Martin Buber. In 1951 he enrolled in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem where he completed both BA (1954) and MA (1956) degrees for his studies in classical and contemporary works in sociology. In 1957 he went to the United States to study at the University of California, Berkeley, and was a research assistant to Seymour Martin Lipset. He received his PhD in sociology in 1958, completing the degree in the record time of 18 months. Etzioni then remained in the United States to pursue an academic career.
In 1946 he published his work Paths in Utopia, in which he detailed his communitarian socialist views and his theory of the "dialogical community" founded upon interpersonal "dialogical relationships".
Buber was a scholar, interpreter, and translator of Hasidic lore. He viewed Hasidism as a source of cultural renewal for Judaism, frequently citing examples from the Hasidic tradition that emphasized community, interpersonal life, and meaning in common activities (e.g., a worker's relation to his tools).
Buber's interpretation of the Hasidic tradition, however, has been criticized by scholars such as Chaim Potok for its romanticization. In the introduction to Buber's Tales of the Hasidim, Potok notes that Buber overlooked Hasidism's "charlatanism, obscurantism, internecine quarrels, its heavy freight of folk superstition and pietistic excesses, its tzadik worship, its vulgarized and attenuated reading of Lurianic Kabbalah." Even more severe is the criticism that Buber deemphasized the importance of the Jewish Law in Hasidism.
Brith Shalom members were often enthusiastic supporters of the communal values of the Kibbutz movement and other forms of communitarian socialism
JP: What is an example, then, of a community that actually fits your definition?
Etzioni: That's easy: the kibbutzim.
Lipset was a strong supporter of the state of Israel, and was President of the American Professors for Peace in the Middle East, chair of the National B'nai B'rith Hillel Commission and the Faculty Advisory Cabinet of the United Jewish Appeal, and co-chair of the Executive Committee of the International Center for Peace in the Middle East. He worked for years on seeking solution for the Israeli–Palestinian conflict as part of his larger project of research on the factors that allow societies to sustain stable and peaceful democracies.
This book is not about dogma: it is about the hopeful possibility that an evolving and expanding sense of common need among peoples and nations can with luck and vision, bring about a knitting together of a form of global governance that would permit humankind to address its most urgent issues more effectively: with less sovereign authority for national states as we have known them, but greater freedom, combined with enhanced responsibility for people as individuals and as communities.
The philosophy of communitarianism originated in the 20th century, but the term “communitarian” was coined in 1841, by John Goodwyn Barmby, a leader of the British Chartist movement, who used it in referring to utopian socialists, and other idealists, who experimented with communal styles of life. However, it was not until the 1980s that the term “communitarianism” gained currency through association with the work of a small group of political philosophers, mostly American. Their application of the label “communitarian” was controversial, even among communitarians, because, in the West, the term “communitarian” evokes associations with the ideologies of socialism and collectivism; so, public leaders—and some of the academics who champion this school of thought—usually avoid the term “communitarian”, while still advocating and advancing the ideas of communitarianism.
Although communitarianism is a small philosophical school, it has had considerable influence on public dialogues and politics. There are strong similarities between communitarian thinking and the Third Way, the political thinking of centrist Democrats in the United States, and the Neue Mitte in Germany. Communitarianism played a key role in Tony Blair’s remaking of the British socialist Labour Party into “New Labour” and a smaller role in President Bill Clinton’s campaigns. Other politicians have echoed key communitarian themes, such as Hillary Clinton, who has long held that to raise a child takes not just parents, family, friends and neighbors, but a whole village.
President Barack Obama gave voice to communitarian ideas and ideals in his book The Audacity of Hope, and during the 2008 presidential election campaign he repeatedly called upon Americans to “ground our politics in the notion of a common good,” for an “age of responsibility,” and for foregoing identity politics in favor of community-wide unity building. However, for many in the West, the term communitarian conjures up authoritarian and collectivist associations, so many public leaders – and even several academics considered champions of this school – avoid the term while embracing and advancing its ideas.
He spends a lot of time on the road being interviewed and lecturing abroad and at US law schools about his "moral dialogue" to governments, bureaucrats, lawyers, judges and (of course) students. He promotes his ideology in a way that makes perfect sense to his elitist admirers, and confuses everyone else. His ancient collectivist platform and his innovative ways to remove us from "cultural relativism" are all designed to teach us to be more "responsive community members." He insists the U.S. Bill of Rights must be innovatively balanced and that the world's democratic governments are "evolving."
Etzioni's critics call his brand of communitarianism "fascist." Etzioni has never responded to the American social scientists who criticized him during his 1995 presidency of the American Sociological Association, but his position as the former ASA president is touted frequently during his lecture tours (without any reference whatsoever to the controversy surrounding his Libertarian-Fabian-communitarian propaganda).
Amitai Etzioni, at his very core, is a paradox. After studying his dissertation, his early internationally published works, and his philosophical musings, we compared his early works to his later published communitarian works. It is the ACL's opinion that Etzioni does not write everything he claims, (styles are too varied and conflicting) and we can not understand why his position as a leading Zionist influence in the White House is never mentioned by the American Press.
Apache wrote:I apologise for interrupting your post Jumpy, which I do not intend to derail. I hope you don't mind my now posting the following research about Amitai Etzioni, the promoter and Guru of the "Third Way" doctrine known as communitarianism. I also apologise for its length, but there was no way to edit it down any further than I did.
Yes, Diversity Is About Getting Rid Of White People (And That’s A Good Thing)
by Emily Goldstein
One of the more common memes that I’ve seen white supremacists spread around recently has been “diversity is a code word for white genocide”. The concept here is that diversity is only promoted in white nations, and that the end goal is to eliminate white people altogether by flooding all white countries with non-white people until there are no white people left. Well, guess what, white supremacists? That’s exactly right. Diversity IS about getting rid of white people, and that’s a good thing.
First off, I am a white person myself, so allow me to get that out of the way. I’m extremely glad that the white race is dying, and you should be too. White people do not have a right to exist. Period. That may sound like a bold statement, but it’s entirely true. Any white person with even the faintest knowledge of history should curse themselves every single day for being white. Throughout all of recorded history, whites have engaged in oppression, genocide, colonialism, imperialism, and just plain evil on a massive scale. White people have denied every other race the right to exist, and have – at some point in history – oppressed every single race on the planet.
Why, then, should whites now be allowed to live in peace when whites have historically been the world’s #1 source of conflict and oppression? Whiteness is racism. Period. Whiteness is the source of all oppression in the world. Whiteness is racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and heteropatriarchal capitalism. Eliminate whiteness and you eliminate every single form of oppression that the world currently faces. No white people means no oppression. White people are like a cancer and oppression is a symptom of the cancer. Cut out the cancer altogether – with the cancer being white people – and you get rid of all of the oppression which white people cause.
I have dedicated my life to fighting racism, and I have determined – based on all available evidence – that the only way to really eliminate racism is to eliminate whiteness. Whiteness is the ocean from which racism flows. Get rid of whiteness and you get rid of racism. Despite what white supremacists often claim, white people do not have a “culture”. White “culture” consists of nothing more than oppression, genocide, and the disenfranchisement of minorities. White “culture” is racism and nothing more. When white supremacists talk about “white culture”, what they’re really talking about is racism. Over the course of history, white people have built a massive empire based entirely on the hard work of oppressed and disenfranchised minority groups. But guess what, white people? That empire is finally coming to an end now, and its demise is music to my hears. To quote the great anti-racist activist Tim Wise: “Do you hear it? The sound of your empire dying? Your nation, as you knew it, ending, permanently? Because I do, and the sound of its demise is beautiful.”
Descendants of Holocaust survivors can personally attest to the evil that white people are capable of when they hold the reins of power. Thankfully, whites won’t be holding the reins of power for much longer. When white people die out, so will racism, sexism, queerphobia, and all other forms of oppression. The only way to eliminate racism, white privilege, and white supremacy is to eliminate whiteness altogether. When I teach my students about human rights, critical race theory, and the role of whites in worldwide oppression, my white students often ask me how they can “atone” for the evils of whiteness and how they can make up for centuries of white oppression. And I tell them: you can do that by not having any children and ensuring that the white race does not live to oppress anyone ever again in the future.
Thankfully, white birthrates are indeed very low, while the birthrates of minorities are much, MUCH higher. Within our lifetimes, whites will be a minority in a significant number of formerly white countries, including the US, the UK, France, Germany, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand, to name just a few. To white supremacists yearning for the days when whites could rape and pillage the world with impunity, this is incredibly frightening. To people on the right side of history, however, this looks like progress. Whites are finally getting their just desserts – and it’s about time. I sincerely hope that, when the white power structure finally comes crashing down, whites will receive no mercy from the minority groups that whites have spent centuries oppressing. We certainly don’t deserve any mercy or kindness, as we have given nothing of the sort to others.
Whites should also know that, when they do become a minority in formerly white countries, they will NOT be receiving affirmative action or any of the other benefits meant to assist the minorities that whites have historically oppressed. Why? Because whites don’t deserve those benefits. It’s as simple as that. One can look to South Africa, where whites are only about 8.4% of the population, but blacks continue to receive affirmative action because blacks in South Africa have historically been disenfranchised by whites. The same thing will happen when whites become a minority in North America, Europe, and Oceania, because whites have historically oppressed minorities in all three of those continents. Not to mention, why should whites receive any kind of benefits when the ultimate goal is to get rid of whites altogether? Finally, laws against hate speech will serve to prevent whites from complaining about this, as any white person who complains will be arrested, given a long prison sentence, and made an example of for the rest of the remaining white population. Speech that attempts to justify the white power structure and perpetuate white oppression of minorities is not freedom of speech, and it has absolutely no place in modern society.
As white people, we all need to recognize that we no longer have a place in the world. This world now belongs to the minorities that us whites have spent centuries oppressing, and there is absolutely nothing that any pathetic white supremacists can do about it. In order for a better world to be created, white people need to be exterminated. Period. It’s as simple as that. We should simply be thankful that our death will be accomplished through mass immigration and declining birthrates. When whites have exterminated other races, it wasn’t nearly so peaceful – it was done through violent genocide. But other races are not as evil as whites are, and it’s important to remember that. The world belongs to minorities now, and they will make a much better, more peaceful world with what they’re given. Only when white people have ceased to exist will a peaceful and progressive society – free of racism and hatred – be possible. The only way to eliminate white privilege, white oppression, white racism, and the oppressive white power structure is to eliminate white people altogether.
So, yes, white supremacists: diversity is indeed white genocide. And white genocide is exactly what the world needs more than anything else.
jumpy64 wrote:I just posted this article, with my comments, on the "Multicultural Agenda" thread, but it rightfully belongs here too.
You can find it at http://thoughtcatalog.com/emily-goldste ... te-people/, but I'll post it here without any comments. It can also speak for itself, I think.
As I said at the beginning of my thread, although I haven't always respected this principle, you just have to let the Jews talk to understand who they are and what they are about, even going as far as masking themselves as Whites. And I've never read anything more explicitely revolting than this.
Don’t fall for the “Emily Goldstein” diatribe
Posted on May 27, 2015 by jewamongyou
There are enough real instances of Jews publicly calling for the destruction of Western civilization, and the eradication of the white race, that we don’t need fake ones. This latest diatribe, attributed to a professor named “Emily Goldstein,” smacks of trolling or, at best, satire.
There are no links, on the page, to any other articles by this author, nor does it state which institution she teaches at, or what her specialty is. So I’m calling this one a hoax, satire or trolling.
First of all, this psychosis induced Communist “Jew” is white. So, let’s us hope that she will commit suicide after we demand her firing, arrest and deportation to Gaza. Second of all: Why is a supposed “Jew” calling for a genocide/Holocaust of a whole people? She is a “JEW”, did she not learn anything? This proves my case in point-Communists are just the same as Nazi’s with their love of death. If people called her and told her that “Hitler should have finished the job”, she would scream anti-semitism. It’s sickening.
This is what this evil, ugly, frizzy-haired Bolshevik said before her post was removed: [...]
Of course, the Arabs, Asians and Africans suffer from none of the above (sarcasm). Arab Muslims hang gays, Arab countries are predominantly brown. African countries are black, Asians, are Asian. Most hate Jews. But, with the Emily’s of the world, who wouldn’t hate Jews?
Apache wrote:It does appear that there is no such person as Professor Emily Goldstein. The 'diatribe' also appears on almost all white nationalist websites, where they have not undertaken any due diligence at all in sourcing the piece to an actual living person.
“My white skin disgusts me. If I could peel myself inside out I would be glad” – Robin Morgan (a key radical feminist and member of the American Women’s Movement, a self-described “European American of Ashkenazic – with a touch of Sephardic – Jewish ancestry).
“It is in the Jewish interest, it is in humanity’s interest that whites experience a genocide. Until white children are burned alive, white women raped, mutilated, murdered and all white men who have not been slaughtered watch powerlessly as their people are terrorized, only then will mankind be on a more equal footing, ready to discuss white privilege and the apparent chip on the shoulder that minorities have”- Rabbi Ishmael Levitts
“The goal of the National Democratic Party (NPD) in Germany is to protect the existence of and secure the Biological German People. This goal is racist, Nazi are backwards. If the German people lives on it will only lead to more Fascism and racism. Therefore the goal of we, the SPD, CDU and all other democratic parties in Germany is to make the German people perish at any cost or method. The German people must be destroyed”. – Stephanie Drese, German Social Democrat
"Now how do I know that the white people know that we are going to come up with a solution to the problem. I know it because they have retina scans, racial profiling, DNA banks, and they're monitoring our people to try to prevent the ONE person from coming up with the ONE idea. And the one idea is, how we are going to exterminate white people because that in my estimation is the only conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve the problem. *tepid applause* Now I don't care whether you clap or not, but I'm saying to you that we need to solve this problem because they are going to kill us. And I will leave on that. So we just have to set up our own system and stop playing and get very serious and not get diverted from coming up with a solution to the problem and the problem on the planet is white people." - Kamau Kambon, Black “American” college professor at North Caroline State University.
“Every journey begins with a first step. We must end the so-called white race".
The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists. Make no mistake about it, we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as the white race is destroyed - not deconstructed but destroyed. Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity.
The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race. If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world! Those who object to my advice, knowingly or perhaps unknowingly, are themselves white supremacists. They wish to go on oppressing and exploiting other races and maintaining their own privileged positions of power. That is the conscious and sometimes subconscious motivation of all of my critics. That is why they object to destroying the cancer of humanity known as the white race. That ugly disease, which dares to call itself a people and a culture.
Christmas and white culture disgust me. I hate this time of year so much. I hate going outside and seeing Christmas trees or Christmas lights. They should be banned! A Christmas tree is just one notch above a burning cross in my opinion!
Obviously, all whites need to be destroyed, but why not start with white males? They are behind most of history’s greatest atrocities. Besides, some of the brothers like to bang white women.
Eventually white women can breed out, but my feeling is that if you are a white male, you should kill yourself now. If you are a thoughtful person, with a social consciousness who considers himself white, you will consider suicide.
Perhaps we are finally coming to an awareness in this country that the cancer known as the white race must be obliterated. Especially in the form of white males. White people are a disease, they are parasites!
They don’t deserve to live! I think we are witnessing the breaking of the back of the white male power structure. We will still have residual white males that must be dealt with, but I am confident that we’ve won.
Eventually, I would like to put white males in concentration camps and work them to death just like they’ve done to everyone else. When they are all dead we can throw a party and dance around their corpses!
There are enough real instances of Jews publicly calling for the destruction of Western civilization, and the eradication of the white race, that we don’t need fake ones.
Of course, this piece does express what many leftists actually think. But, from my own personal experience with leftists, I don’t think most of them actually want the complete extermination of whites – though their policies obviously will lead to this, I guess it’s not obvious to them. Maybe I’m being too generous toward them.
Looking through the comments, it seems that most readers actually believe it’s authentic. Maybe it is, but my internet searches didn’t turn up any professors, by that name, who are likely authors of the article. There are no links, on the page, to any other articles by this author, nor does it state which institution she teaches at, or what her specialty is. So I’m calling this one a hoax, satire or trolling.
jumpy64 wrote:In conclusion, I don’t know about you, guys, but when Jews say something is true, I tend to believe it’s false, and when they say something is false, I’m more willing to believe it’s true.
jumpy64 wrote:But as you know, I’m a prejudiced guy, one of those who, when they see a tiger, run away from it instead than going towards it with open arms…
jumpy64 wrote:You're not gonna believe what you're reading, but unfortunately this certainly isn't a hoax...
A number of web outlets on Monday incorrectly reported that a Massachusetts professor used his final lecture to instruct his white male students to commit suicide.
The outlets based their claims on a website called “Diversity Chronicle” which published an “interview” with professor Noel Ignatiev of the Massachusetts College of Art where he supposedly stood by the shocking claims.
The only problem? While the professor is very real, the website is all satire.
The Diversity Chronicle’s disclaimer notes that “the original content on this blog is largely satirical.”
Shockingly, the fake interview with the White-hating Jew professor Noel Ignatiev has returned for a second round, being again covered by relatively mainstream sources.
What we do when we spread fake news like this is make ourselves look silly, and we discredit the actual facts which are documented. This is the same reason why I refuse to endorse various conspiracy theories – we have the facts, we do not need theories any more than we need the outright falsehoods of this fake interview.
In the case of Noel Ignatiev, this is especially damaging, as the man really has made insane statements, and by spreading these stupid fake quotes, we are actually hiding the real statements.
What is so striking in the recent intellectual history of the West is that people like Ignatiev, who doubtless have a strong sense of their own ethnic identity and interests, have managed to pathologize any sense of ethnic identity and interests among Europeans and European-derived peoples — and no one else.
Apache wrote:jumpy64 wrote:You're not gonna believe what you're reading, but unfortunately this certainly isn't a hoax...
Yes, it is.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11 ... f-society/
The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists.
Make no mistake about it: we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as 'the white race' is destroyed—not 'deconstructed' but destroyed.
jumpy64 wrote:In addition to this, all the other quotes by Jewish supremacist agents are genuine as well, as far as I know.
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