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Postby fbenario on October 3rd, 2010, 1:48 am

godzilla 4 Oct 1 2010, 10:23 PM wrote:
fbenario 4 Oct 1 2010, 06:42 PM wrote: My response, which she doesn't like? The only thing that matters is the work involved, objective evidence posted for all to review, to which I apply my own judgment/critical analysis. The supposed 'trustworthiness' of the person doing the posting doesn't matter with respect to the potential validity of the material posted.


Well, if a contributor isn't 'trustworthy' after all, meaning a shill, then how could that "person" actually contribute anything other than something intended to ultimately steer the public and honest researchers away from the truth?


I see your point. In retrospect I may have been too terse in my post. I was merely giving the gist of what has become a repetitious dispute with my girlfriend, but I probably should have fleshed it out a little.

She was wondering why I take the research here seriously, if I don't know the contributors, and have to assume they are acting in good faith - which she thinks means I have to trust all of you to act in good faith.

I don't see it that way. I think we 'trust' each other's work because of the accumulated good faith earned through months of posts that are not manipulative - which each of us can only determine by applying our brain to the material. Thus I DON'T have to trust any of you to take your work seriously.

You can see why it looks like the chicken-and-egg problem, and I'm sick and tired of her vague skepticism about our work (because she is STILL really troubled with the idea that the official 9/11 narrative has no evidence supporting anything in it).

With respect to the postings here by new contributors, I see your point, godzilla, that if they are perps/shills, then their work is questionable on its face. But we don't know they, or their contributions, are suspicious until we analyze their posts, using our own analysis/critical thinking - which was my starting point in the original post. See how we're already back to the chicken and egg?

In the end, I agree with Hoi, who just said:

Actually, nonhocapito, I agree that the reason I find this research so uplifting is because it frees us from the responsibility of giving trust and politeness away for free to people who we don't know.



... which was my own original point, "The only thing that matters is the work involved, objective evidence posted for all to review [...]. The supposed 'trustworthiness' of the person doing the posting doesn't matter with respect to the potential validity of the material posted." No trust needed.

Hoi also commented fairly recently that we can't ban shills until they actually post something 'out-of-bounds' - which seems to be the earliest point at which we can even identify someone as a shill.

Please don't take offense at my pursuit of this apparent epistemological conundrum, which is making my head hurt! The frustration I'm dealing with in my own life is my (too slow) progress in teaching my girlfriend to stop trusting the crap spoon-fed to her in her beloved mainstream media just because it may fit within her own comfortable worldview, thus acting as support for her own biases/prejudices. (She's finding me to be quite a handful these days.) I fear it is a lost cause for me. Maybe you now can see why I think it SO important to think for myself, rather than looking for the approval of anyone else for my conclusions.

She did NOT like hearing me say recently that I no longer cared what anyone else thought - about what I thought.

(Admins, if this post is too rambling/irrelevant, please delete it.)
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Postby godzilla on October 3rd, 2010, 1:51 am

I was merely adding a point, but thank you for fleshing your statement out. I see what you are saying now.
"It's not a matter of what is true that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true." - Henry Kissinger
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Postby simonshack on October 3rd, 2010, 3:04 am

fbenario 4 Oct 3 2010, 12:48 AM wrote: The frustration I'm dealing with in my own life is my (too slow) progress in teaching my girlfriend to stop trusting the crap spoon-fed to her in her beloved mainstream media just because it may fit within her own comfortable worldview, thus acting as support for her own biases/prejudices. (She's finding me to be quite a handful these days.)


Fbenario,

Let me propose an allegorical picture of our current situation on our beloved planet today. As you may know, I love to simplify all sorts of human thoughts and emotions, so please bear with me as I propose this seemingly over-simplified, miniature depiction of our world today. Let's forget for a while that we are now well over 6 billion people on this Earth. Let's imagine we were only 1000 - it's an easier number to relate with.

Please imagine 1000 people on an island with two hills.

On Hill 1, there are 50 quite bad, rogue and arrogant people. Let's call them the "Badrogue 50". Those 50 people have cornered the market of all the island's bananas and sell them to all their fellow islanders at rip-off prices. In fact, the "Badrogue 50" have even created the paper money with which all the islanders gauge their wealth with. Moreover, they've used their stolen wealth to place powerful loudspeakers all around the island which diffuse their very own "laws, truths and facts".

On Hill 2, , there are 50 very good and smart people. Let's call them the "Goodsmart 50". Those 50 people are concerned about their own plight and that of the other 900 people who evidently get ripped off daily, conditioned by the constant propaganda oozing out of the loudspeakers.

So, after due consultation, the "Goodsmart 50" decide to do something about it. Unfortunately, they control no bananas and none of the loudspeakers of the island. All they have are their voices - which are constantly drowned out by the loud and powerful P.A. (Public Address) system set up by the "Badrogue 50".

This is where we are at today. Chances are that your girlfriend is just part of those 900 people who have simply not come to terms with this problematic situation - yet.
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Postby Terence.drew on October 3rd, 2010, 11:17 am

simonshack 4 Oct 3 2010, 03:04 AM wrote:
fbenario 4 Oct 3 2010, 12:48 AM wrote: The frustration I'm dealing with in my own life is my (too slow) progress in teaching my girlfriend to stop trusting the crap spoon-fed to her in her beloved mainstream media just because it may fit within her own comfortable worldview, thus acting as support for her own biases/prejudices. (She's finding me to be quite a handful these days.)


Fbenario,

Let me propose an allegorical picture of our current situation on our beloved planet today. As you may know, I love to simplify all sorts of human thoughts and emotions, so please bear with me as I propose this seemingly over-simplified, miniature depiction of our world today. Let's forget for a while that we are now well over 6 billion people on this Earth. Let's imagine we were only 1000 - it's an easier number to relate with.

Please imagine 1000 people on an island with two hills.

On Hill 1, there are 50 quite bad, rogue and arrogant people. Let's call them the "Badrogue 50". Those 50 people have cornered the market of all the island's bananas and sell them to all their fellow islanders at rip-off prices. In fact, the "Badrogue 50" have even created the paper money with which all the islanders gauge their wealth with. Moreover, they've used their stolen wealth to place powerful loudspeakers all around the island which diffuse their very own "laws, truths and facts".

On Hill 2, , there are 50 very good and smart people. Let's call them the "Goodsmart 50". Those 50 people are concerned about their own plight and that of the other 900 people who evidently get ripped off daily, conditioned by the constant propaganda oozing out of the loudspeakers.

So, after due consultation, the "Goodsmart 50" decide to do something about it. Unfortunately, they control no bananas and none of the loudspeakers of the island. All they have are their voices - which are constantly drowned out by the loud and powerful P.A. (Public Address) system set up by the "Badrogue 50".

This is where we are at today. Chances are that your girlfriend is just part of those 900 people who have simply not come to terms with this problematic situation - yet.


Nice. The Loudspeakers are making the people go 'bananas'

An In law of mine who is very smart in the business world sense, said casually to me 2 nights ago that he had read a newspaper story about a 'cover up' in England (and maybe US not sure) involving hundreds of soldiers, and revolving around 'aliens' who were secretly 'disarming Nuclear weapons' .
Seeing the look on my face he quickly mentioned the Irish Times and Telegraph where the stories had originated, adding (for him) gravitas and some intellectual cement to the story(the big shiny official loudspeakers)

The discussion that followed about Nukes and then 911 followed very predictable lines. 'So EVERYONE is lying?' 'Its the internet - people can put up any rubbish' . I mentioned that his 11 yr old son had agreed that a plane cannot pass through a steel wall without deforming and that the video footage of it must be fake.

He left the room in a huff. When he came back he was smiling. He wanted the tin foil from the Kitchen to make a hat for me and he was making twirling motions with his finger to the side of his head saying I was mad.

I reminded him that he was the one talking earlier about ALIENS TAMPERING WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS!

The 50 concerned people on the hill dont have loudspeakers ... more like paper airplanes sent down in hope with little messages on them but subject to distracting gusts of wind. The silent graceful motion of the paper plane though is very poetic and beautiful. It is protected from the droning diabolical decibels which are needed to mute the power of independent critical thinking.

Escaping the loudspeakers by wearing special anti propaganda ear mufflers has been one of the most liberating things which has happened to me and has opened up new realms of creative possibilities. Suckling on a TV and allowing hysteria to be force fed to you does in fact make people go 'bananas' and eventually many of them crack.
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Postby spookfluke on October 4th, 2010, 6:49 am

fred 4 Sep 30 2010, 09:54 AM wrote:She certainly does annoy. My own take is slightly different: I believe that she is a cynical, clever spook who has a "pseudo-enlightened dumb blond New Age hippie" routine that rivals Jeff Hill's drunken Canadian everyman. Jeff is a better actor. When rattled a little bit Paula tends to step out of character in exasperation. She lacks the skill required to play Andy Kauffman, but she puts in a good effort.

The viewers of soporific Manhattan News Network won't notice. Her show is part Wayne's World and part Popular Mechanics.

Paula Gloria, according to her official biography, runs a foundation. Where does the money come from? What is the Concordia Foundation really?

She, we are told, made a fortune in Cellular Spectrum Bandwidth Auctions, an absurdly implausible explanation for how dumb blond New Age hippie came into unexpected wealth.

She, we must accept on faith, has very little money to spend yet enjoys a constant flow of house guests at her fashionable Manhattan apartment.

She is a regular participant in King of All Media Howard Stern's "Wack-pack", where she works covertly, one presumes, with the son of a Majestic 12 Scientist Super-hero. Said son also happens to be the cousin of the White House Chief of Staff, and the cousin of a notorious Hollywood Super-Agent, so naturally he has a non-speaking part as a toilet-joke writer for Howard Stern. Hmmm.

Case Officer Paula Gloria's most noteworthy duty in her visible role seems to be to kook-ify 9/11 TV Fakery research. No planers, she claimed on broadcast TV, are twitchy and paranoid.

I believe that she serves as a cut-out between the White House and the wq2rx shill operation.


I know people who have spent more than a few minutes in her presence and have no reason to believe she is anything more than an ex-hippie-brain-damaged attention whore. And for the record, the old hag is not a regular participant of Howard Stern's show and has never been given wack-pack status. She's a retarded bore.

I've always been uncomfortable with how much attention and importance she was given by some researchers. Case Officer? c'mon

wasn't it you who once wrote she seemed more like a self-motivated shill than a hired agent?
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Postby fred on October 4th, 2010, 7:16 am

All this talk of Paula Gloria's diminished mental capacity reminds me of the OCT and how the military and CIA just couldn't stop Osama in time, and how the top brass forgot to turn on the security system at the Pentagon and roll up the windows when they parked it, leaving it defended by only the parking lot attendant's camera.

But hey, there's some good news!


57% of US has little or no trust in the media at all

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/distru ... multi-year

Distrust In US Media Hits Record High, As CNBC (And Especially Mad Money) Viewership Drops To Multi-Year Low
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In today's "less than surprising data point" category, the clear winner is Gallup's analysis of people's ever increasing distrust in the mass media. From 46% in 1998, the percentage of people who indicate they have "not very much/none at all" trust in mass media has grown to a stunning 57% currently. This is an all time record, as the general public perception toward the MSM has flipped over the past decade. Is it becoming increasingly more difficult to lie to the average American? In this time of unprecedented economic upheaval, where the political regime depends on just how far any given administration's lies can penetrate amongst the broader population, this may well become the most critical factor in determining policy for the future. And with ever increasing alternatives of non-traditional media, could the legacy ad-supported media model, which by definition is one which espouses the status quo, be doomed precisely by the slow but steady education of the average American, who intuitively realizes that nearly every "fact" appearing in the media, especially that supported by any given political party, is a lie?

From Gallup's study on media distrust:

For the fourth straight year, the majority of Americans say they have little or no trust in the mass media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly. The 57% who now say this is a record high by one percentage point.


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Postby simonshack on October 5th, 2010, 8:34 am

spookfluke 4 Oct 4 2010, 05:49 AM wrote:
I know people who have spent more than a few minutes in her presence and have no reason to believe she is anything more than an ex-hippie-brain-damaged attention whore. And for the record, the old hag is not a regular participant of Howard Stern's show and has never been given wack-pack status. She's a retarded bore.

I've always been uncomfortable with how much attention and importance she was given by some researchers. Case Officer? c'mon

wasn't it you who once wrote she seemed more like a self-motivated shill than a hired agent?


Paula Gloria "a self-motivated shill"? :lol:

Spookfluke, you're only the second person I know on this planet who I've seen defending the antics of Paula Gloria and her spook crew...Lol, yeah: I guess that'll be the favored line of defense, come the day of the Grand International War Tribunal for 9/11 Crimes. This is the sort of pleading we might hear in the court hall:

Defendant PG- Your Honor! I only obeyed my own orders and my own, harmless new-age ideals. I set up a peaceful, not-for-profit Spiritual Foundation only to entertain myself and a few bored, homeless hippies. We made innocent jokes about our favorite truth-seekers and poked fun at their efforts 24/7 out of pure leisure. We ran a quite spontaneous group therapy of sorts with no malicious intent towards the 9/11 researchers. It was all about self-enlightenment and digging deeper rabbit holes. Yet some twitchy and paranoid fools called us 'government-spooks'...but we were only spooks by fluke!

Chief Prosecutor: Oh - is that so, madam? Did you not, for example, relentlessly stalk and cajole our claimant here - Simon Shack - into joining your ranks and, when that failed, did you not team up with convicted 9/11 porn-propagandist Howard Stern in a depraved radio hit-show named "Total Penetration"? What other purpose did that nefarious show serve, madam, other than to willfully smear, ridicule and vilify the work of the honest truth-seekers?

Defendant PG- Your Honor, I swear to Krishna and Prajapati! I was totally self-motivated and enjoyed no black-op funding whatsoever! We were all unaware of causing any harm to the charming Mr. Shack who has all my admiration and respect! I plead not guilty, and as a gesture of goodwill, my Concordia Foundation will be funding the "9/11 Researchers' Obelisk" to be raised at Ground Zero!



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Postby spookfluke on October 5th, 2010, 9:27 am

fred @ Oct 4 2010, 07:16 AM wrote: All this talk of Paula Gloria's diminished mental capacity reminds me of the OCT and how the military and CIA just couldn't stop Osama in time, and how the top brass forgot to turn on the security system at the Pentagon and roll up the windows when they parked it, leaving it defended by only the parking lot attendant's camera.

But hey, there's some...


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OOPS, I missed all that talk.

Guess it was drowned out by the "Paula was a clever..." talk
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Postby spookfluke on October 5th, 2010, 9:54 am

ozzybinoswald 4 Sep 30 2010, 02:10 AM wrote:Paula Gloria annoys. She's brainless. Every word and idea has to be explained to her as if she just arrived on the planet. And then she only feigns understanding like a sociopath displaying emotion.



It was hot when you flirted with her though
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Postby simonshack on October 5th, 2010, 8:31 pm

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PAULA who? "TOTAL PENETRATION"? :huh:
research philosophy vs shilling philosophy

To newcomers to this forum who wonder what my last post was all about - and have never heard of Paula Gloria or her "Total Penetration" radio shows with Howard Stern, here's to clarify.


TOTAL PENETRATION (part4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moTiCQTjml0
(there are all of 5 excruciating parts - but listen only to as much as you can muster...)

As you should easily realize, this 2008 radio freak-show is some of the most obnoxious trash hit-pieces ever to have been produced to discredit the "no-planers" (as we were labeled at the time). It is posted on the youtube channel of one "911NEPHILIM" - http://www.youtube.com/user/911Nephilim#p/u which features a Nico Haupt tapestry background.

"NEPHILIM's Youtube channel actually links - exclusively - to Ozzybinoswald's website
http://911-harley-shirt-guy.blogspot.com/


Each of the 5 parts of "TOTAL PENETRATION" feature this YT video description:



Paula Gloria, TheWebfairy, Nico Haupt, AQ Al Qyeda, Ryanary Economics [and Alan Steinfeld]
attempt to make the case for the 911 No Plane Theory on Howard 101 radio May 19, 2008

http://media.putfile.com/Alex-Jones-n...
http://media.putfile.com/Howard-Stern...
"Ozzy bin Oswald" ozzybinoswald





Now please do not ask me why Ozzybinoswald seems to be rather intimately 'related' to these folks. I just don't know - I realized this connection fully only today :( ... If this is not the case (and Ozzy's been 'framed' by them all along), it would seem odd that he'd never have asked for his name to be removed from any association with these obvious imbeciles (or should I say "imbeshills"?). Then again, I must say I had failed to notice myself their apparent association with Ozzy for all this time - so perhaps he was also oblivious to this? Just perhaps?...

*sigh* - I've probably been missing something...
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Postby fbenario on October 8th, 2010, 1:10 pm

I've long thought that people only believe what they want to believe, which is one of the biggest problems in the world today.

We see it every day in the unwillingness of the world to modify their trust in their beloved mainstream media news programs and in their 'oh-so-trustworthy' individual newsmen. (Walter Cronkite the most trusted man in America? Beck, Lou Dobbs, Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz? Give me an effing break.)

It's nice to see some 'objective' support for this view (even if it is on a plane-hugger site, discussing the misdirection topic of global warming), which really makes clear to us the difficulties we face in communicating our work/research to the world.

People Are Allergic to the Facts

New research finds we trust experts who agree with our own opinions, suggesting that subjective feelings override scientific information.
...
Americans do believe and trust researchers. But we focus our attention on those experts whose ideas conform with our preconceived notions. The others tend to get discounted or ignored.
...
“People find it disconcerting to believe that behavior that they find noble is nevertheless detrimental to society, and behavior that they find base is beneficial to it. Because accepting such a claim could drive a wedge between them and their peers, they have a strong emotional predisposition to reject it.”

http://www.alternet.org/story/148318/pe ... ts/?page=1
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Postby fred on October 8th, 2010, 1:58 pm

Consider yourself fortunate that you missed all that drama, Simon.

Webfairy thinks (at least she used to claim) that Paula Gloria is the greatest thing ever.

Paula Gloria was always trying to "seduce Ozzy" and offering money and plane tickets for him to come appear on her show, which he refused.

I've never seen Ozzy saying anything remotely supportive of Paula, who, in my opinion, is a spook.

They seem to be trying rather hard to make sure that the public face of "September Clues" and "no planes" is Paula Gloria and Webfairy.

Nico Haupt associated with those people in person (staying in Paula's apartment). To my knowledge Ozzy never has.
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Postby SimonJCP on October 9th, 2010, 5:19 am

From the home-page of Rabbit Hole Central TV (Paula Gloria's site):

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Paula Gloria's website is powered by Bit By Bit. Other suspicious people have alleged that donations sent to Paula Gloria's Concordia Foundation are billed directly to Bit By Bit. While I haven't been able to confirm this, there is clear evidence of some kind of connection.

One will quickly become suspicious when they realize that Bit By Bit's partners include Microsoft, VMWare, Citrix, and Cisco Systems.

Microsoft, owned by Bill Gates (A member of the Bilderberg Group), has close ties to the NSA:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/200 ... ows_7.html

VMWare also has remarkably close ties to the NSA and Military-Industrial Complex:


PALO ALTO, Calif., August 29, 2007 -- VMware, Inc. (NYSE: VMW), the global leader in software for industry-standard virtualized desktops and servers, today announced an agreement with General Dynamics C4 Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), to develop a complete turn-key High-Assurance Platform (HAP) workstation using VMware software for a contract with the National Security Agency (NSA).

Chartered by the U.S. Office of the Secretary of Defense, the NSA contracted General Dynamics C4 Systems to design a secure workstation. General Dynamics chose VMware’s industry-leading virtualization software so that HAP-mandated users employed by the U.S. Department of Defense, the intelligence community and other government agencies can access information requiring different security clearance levels from a single physical machine.

http://www.vmware.com/company/news/releases/nsa.html



Reading through the lists of it's executives, one will find a seemingly endless trail of military/intelligence connections. The Chief Operating Officer, for an example, was an executive at Oracle Corporation. The Oracle Corporation is a known CIA front.
http://www.vmware.com/company/leadership.html

As for Cisco Systems, it is the alleged employer of Suzanne Calley, a woman said to have been on "Flight 77" when it "crashed into the Pentagon" -- the problem is that data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) database shows that Flight 77 never took off on 9/11. Furthermore, Ms. Calley is not listed in the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) as having ever died. According to the government, her wedding ring and driver's license were found at the Pentagon (Miraculously in "perfect condition"!), "proving" that Flight 77 crashed there. Allegedly, her wedding anniversary was on September 12th and her birthday was on September 17th -- a trend of victims having special dates that are close to September 11th. It adds to the "tragedy" of the story ("Birthday was just six days away!", "Anniversary was tomorrow!")
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/19332
http://www.rense.com/general68/ree.htm

Network World honored Ms. Calley's memory by posting this picture:
http://www.legacy.com/GB/GuestbookView. ... onID=91743

Cisco Systems is a gold-certified partner of Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), BAE Systems, Raytheon, and Northrop Grumman. This can be confirmed through their "Partner Finder".

Citrix has close ties to the US Military and Defense Department
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Citrix+Aw ... 0120025264

Citrix is also closely tied to the UK Military and the Ministry of Defense.
http://www.citrix.com/English/aboutCitr ... ID=1688362

Citrix is a hit with both the American military and the British military.

Juniper Systems also has ties to the Defense Department.
http://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/pr ... 07_00.html
http://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/pr ... 08_00.html

Juniper Systems is a military/intelligence/NATO contractor.
http://www.junipersys.com/Juniper-Syste ... s/Military

Furthermore, it has a subsidiary called 3BDigital.

We know that 3BDigital is a subsidiary of "Bit By Bit", because on it's main page, we find this below it's red-lettered logo:

http://www.3bdigital.com/images/bitxbit_link.gif

And furthermore, look at the contact e-mails offered for 3BDigital:





3BDigital is a client of the National Security Council (NSC).
http://www.3bdigital.com/portfolio/index.html

Among it's other clients, we find three New York banks:
-Chase Bank
-Citibank
-Bloomberg Financial Markets

And it's a partner of Goldman Sachs!

One also finds the New York Public Library among their clients list. The New York Public Library has very close ties to the Astor Family. The Astor family is incredibly powerful and, according to Fritz Springmeier and others, one of the ruling bloodlines of the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_P ... ry#History
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... odline.htm

Another client, Westcon, is a telecommunications organization. Westcon is a partner of Verint, an Israeli company with ties to Mossad. Verint was in control of the subway/bus security cameras that supposedly "malfunctioned" during 7/7. It is allegedly tied in with 9/11 and the Madrid Bombings as well. Westcon is also a partner of Cisco, which has already been discussed. Westcon is also a partner of RSA Security, which has close ties to the NSA/Defense-Department. RSA Security has much control over the US Government's computer systems.
http://prophecyinthemaking.blogspot.com ... erint.html
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel ... entid=3618

Most interestingly, 3BDigital is a partner of Level (3) Communications -- a large defense contractor and the developer of the WESCAM technology that was used in the TV-Fakery.
http://www.l-3com.com/wescam/about_us/about_us_1.asp

L-3 Communications was investigated by the SEC for it's connections to the 9/11 "insider trading" scandal.
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

There's also this interesting tidbit from Wayne Madsen ("Ex"-ONI/NSA):


A long-time L-3 Communications consultant for the National Security Agency (NSA) was, according to our source, one of the very few recipients of the live video stream that caught the first plane hitting the North Tower. The only other official who revealed that he saw the first plane strike the building on a live television link was President George W. Bush. Bush said on two occasions that he saw the first plane hit the building on television while waiting to speak to a group of elementary schoolchildren on the morning of 9/11.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=9603



Level 3 is also involved in criminal activity:


Here we recall that Level 3 (which has since purchased Titan) XO Communications and Triton Network Systems Inc. were all cited by Elliot Spitzer, then the Attorney General of New York State, as having been used by Wall Street brokers in “pump and dump” schemes which cost unwary investors tens of millions of dollars.

http://www.madcowprod.com/05072007.html



L-3 invested in SkyWay, a company with connections to military-intelligence and the Bush family. In 2006, a DC9 belonging to SkyWay was found in Yucatan with 5.5 tons of cocaine on board in an apparent drug-trade operation of the state.

L-3 also has interesting ties to the "IRS Building Attack" in Austin, TX. The "lone-nut" patsy, Andrew Joseph Stack II, worked for Interstate Electronics -- a subsidiary of L-3 and a military contractor itself.
http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/d ... .asp?yr=08
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/l3- ... nits-0436/
http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2010/ ... a-and.html

Stack's plane (the one he allegedly flew into the IRS building) was housed in a hangar that was owned by John Podolak, an L-3 executive.
http://www.l-3com.com/avisys/news.html


With all of this, I'd like us to remember that L3 is a tenant of 111 Eighth Avenue, the building that Theresa Renaud allegedly saw the South Tower attack from.
http://www.111eighth.com/index.htm

And let's also keep in mind that among it's board of directors is James O. Ellis, Jr.:
-Deputy Chief of US Naval operations from 1996-1998
-Commander-in-chief of the Allied Forces and Naval Forces in Europe from 1998-2000
-Head of US Strategic Command (at Offutt Air Force Base) on 9/11
-Director of Lockheed Martin
http://www.nndb.com/people/808/000128424/

Because Ellis was the head of US Stategic Command on 9/11, he was doubtlessly a major player in the "Global Guardian" training exercise (STRATCOM was a key player). It also means that he was hosting Warren Buffett's suspicious "last annual golf event". It also means that he likely met Bush, who landed at Offutt Air Force Base that day at 3:07 PM.
http://killtown.911review.org/buffett.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/defe ... games.html

It's a safe bet that this means L-3's board of directors includes one of the 9/11 perpetrators.

L-3 certainly appears to be involved "up to their necks" in the military's criminal covert operations.

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What has all of this shown?

Paula Gloria has close ties, through Bit By Bit, to:
-Cisco Systems
-Level 3 Communications
-National Security Council
-Microsoft
-VMWare
-Juniper Systems
-Citrix
-Westcon

In other words, the shady company behind Gloria works with the US Military-Industrial Complex. At least two of it's major partners (Cisco and L3) have intimate links to the 9/11 operation.
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Postby fred on October 9th, 2010, 7:46 am

I think ozzybanoswald and 911nephillim (not nephillim70) are channels from our ozzybinoswald. You would have to ask ozzy why one of his channels looks like a nico haupt fan club. Presumably he mirrors and re-uploads a bunch of deleted no-planes content from various sources.





Something weird is going on. Oh well.

I don't have any more insight into it than on the public postings. I don't think the ozzy of old was a plant. The last pm I had from ozzy was saying that this cousin stuff was not a stunt or a prank. It's a little odd that something like that would happen and he wouldn't mention it to me before he's talking about it with everyone else.

I guess nothing will surprise me at this point.

Fred







So, let me get this straight, Fred:

Is this OzzybanOswald YT account owned by 'our friend Ozzy'?
http://www.youtube.com/user/OzzybanOswald

If it is - how come his alternative "911 Nephilim" alternative account look like a Nico Haupt fan-club?
http://www.youtube.com/user/911Nephilim

If it isn't, how come our friend Ozzy has never taken steps against/ or complained about this outrageous personality theft?


I'd like a straight answer to this. Thanks!

simon shack

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Postby fred on October 9th, 2010, 8:09 am

SimonJCP 4 Oct 9 2010, 05:19 AM wrote:
With all of this, I'd like us to remember that L3 is a tenant of 111 Eighth Avenue, the building that Theresa Renaud allegedly saw the South Tower attack from.
http://www.111eighth.com/index.htm



If I am not mistaken, that building houses a huge number of communications companies as a "carrier hotel" where all sorts of different networks cross-connect. There are cages and cages belonging to different companies and fiber and network cables running everywhere.

It would make sense that the covert media operation would have a lot of operations there on 9/11 as it is an ideal location to plug into all of the major networks.

It's a huge building, filled with endless hallways.. It was converted from industrial/warehouse and meatpacking space, with giant elevators designed to lift livestock and heavy equipment. If you ever have an excuse to go there, you should go take a look. I suspect the NSA has a big presence there as it's a good place to tap into traffic going everywhere else.
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