GETTING THE WORD OUT!

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Re: Where Do we Go From Here?

Postby Penelope on March 8th, 2018, 7:36 am

It's a sin to despair. Life doesn't come with a written guarantee. Besides, keeping it all in perspective, we have it easy. We are not waiting for the knock on the door by the secret police. There were many others who fought in their time under far worse circumstances. In much of human achievement there was no certainty of success. We cannot control the outcome, but we can control our own actions.

I sincerely suggest that you could make this site more effective, could attract far more people, if all the members behaved courteously. If one claims to so respect humanity that he wishes freedom for all, discourtesy is a poor way to show it.
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Re: Where Do we Go From Here?

Postby Flabbergasted on March 8th, 2018, 1:34 pm

Penelope » March 8th, 2018, 3:36 am wrote:I sincerely suggest that you could make this site more effective, could attract far more people, if all the members behaved courteously.

It sounds pretty, Penelope, but I think you are being naive.

First of all, we are not sharing this preciously rare space on the internet in order to garner attention, pat each other on the back and cuddle up. We are here to learn, to support each other's media fakery research efforts with data and insights.

By definition, truth is not necessarily "nice" and "courteous". In fact, if one is not an emotionally mature grown-up, truth will often hurt.

Getting the message out ("attracting far more people", as you say) is certainly important, but not unconditionally. The concepts discussed on CF are not easy to get your head around, let alone vulgarize. Long story short (repeating a quote from an earlier post), "The objection to spreading anything all over the world is that, among other things, you have to spread it very thin." Moreover, the internet and the "laws of attraction" being what they are, earnest seekers are likely to find CF before CF finds them.

Finally, your post makes it sound like all who approach CF come with the best of intentions. History shows this is far from the case. There is more courtesy than not on CF, but it has to be earned.

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edit: to avoid misunderstanding, by "vulgarize" I mean "popularize", "disseminate far and wide".
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby hoi.polloi on March 8th, 2018, 7:23 pm

I have selected "GETTING THE WORD OUT!" for merge with the proposed topic "Where do we go from here?"

This is because the answer we have already to such questions is: spread the word!

Anyhoo is invited to suggest useful ways of getting the word out.
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby Penelope on March 9th, 2018, 8:45 pm

Flabbergasted, you have given several excuses for people treating each other discourteously and disrespectfully on this site. I see them as non sequiturs. May I explain?

Post by Flabbergasted » March 8th, 2018, 4:34 am
Penelope » March 8th, 2018, 3:36 am wrote:
I sincerely suggest that you could make this site more effective, could attract far more people, if all the members behaved courteously.

Getting the message out ("attracting far more people", as you say) is certainly important, but not unconditionally.


You can't possibly be saying that being polite and respectful of other members is too great a condition for spreading truth.

The concepts discussed on CF are not easy to get your head around, let alone vulgarize. Long story short (repeating a quote from an earlier post), "The objection to spreading anything all over the world is that, among other things, you have to spread it very thin."

The truth is not like jam. You can't be saying that if someone doesn't take in your entire truth that you would, for example, prefer that a million people not know about 9-11 because that truth alone is "too thin".

If many people around the world, through the efforts of the forum, should realize that they are the victims of an unjust global economic system mediated through the banks and the IMF. . . . If just that one thin truth should be successfully disseminated it would be a smashing coup!

But it won't happen through the efforts of the forum. The ideas you express in your comment have ghettoized CF.

Moreover, the internet and the "laws of attraction" being what they are, earnest seekers are likely to find CF before CF finds them.


All the more reason for common courtesy and to forego attack-- to keep and motivate the people who do find you.

Finally, your post makes it sound like all who approach CF come with the best of intentions.


I don't see that being impolite or attacking people will help you to detect the trolls. In fact a major tactic of trolls is to distract good threads by personal attack

There is more courtesy than not on CF, but it has to be earned.
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A superiority complex is a great handicap in seeking truth. There is some good work here, but it's not enormous in scope or detail. The forum would benefit greatly by the broader knowledge which is unlikely to be presented in just a few posts weekly. Courtesy and a respect for others is a sine qua non for working with people. You are greatly handicapping yourselves.

Flabbergasted, don't let the good become the enemy of the excellent by denying its errors. The identity of the forum is not threatened by treating its members with goodwill. Rather, its work will be strengthened and broadened thereby.
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby Flabbergasted on March 10th, 2018, 12:45 am

Penelope, I think we would agree on a number of things if we were speaking the same language.

Penelope wrote:You can't possibly be saying that being polite and respectful of other members is too great a condition for spreading truth.

I wasn´t talking about politeness in that statement, but about the risk of oversimplifying the message for the sake of reaching large audiences. This might actually play into the hands of gatekeepers.

Penelope wrote:The truth is not like jam.

If by "truth" you mean simply raw data and information, then, yes, it´s not like jam and you can replicate it as much as you like without it getting "thin". But if by "truth" you mean a combination of comprehensive knowledge and insight (which is "vertical" and "qualitative"), then spreading it is an entirely different story.

Penelope wrote:If just that one thin truth should be successfully disseminated it would be a smashing coup!

I would love to see that. Information on the "unjust global economic system mediated through the banks and the IMF" has been disseminated far and wide on the internet for decades. So how come no smashing coup is in sight?

Penelope wrote:The ideas you express in your comment have ghettoized CF.

Nice piece of sophistry. That´s going into my collection of memorable quotes.

Penelope wrote:All the more reason for common courtesy.

Look, Penelope, if you had read my last 700 posts (I am not expecting you to do so; after all, you have only been here for 48 days), you would have known that bluntness is the exception, not the rule. But being an exception does not mean it is unwarranted or detrimental to the forum's interests in the long run.

Penelope wrote:There is some good work here, but it's not enormous in scope or detail...

Perhaps you could point me to a source of work with greater scope and detail. That would be much appreciated.
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby Penelope on March 10th, 2018, 4:16 am

Flabbergasted, I expect it's silly for us to go on sniping at one another (albeit politely). The conversation is getting increasingly rationalistic.

Until I have the time and inclination to turn my complaint of disrespect and discourtesy to the markedly empirical, through gathering examples of disrespectful behavior which are destructive to the forum, I retire from the lists.

The trouble with conversing in abstractions is that not everyone's sea of abstractions is the same. (But who would have thought "courtesy" is abstract?)

Regards

PS My reference was to an INTELLECTUAL shattering "coup," although the word was chosen for its connotative meaning.
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby Anyhoo on March 12th, 2018, 11:02 pm

For what it is worth, a lot of the responses I received to my posts here have turned me off of this place. I didn't even know what Gaslighting was until I looked it up and I immediately knew that this was what was being done by at least one person here. Despicable behavior and a sure fire way to turn off a truth seeker. I am not dissuaded from following the truth. I just won't do it here, because this place is infiltrated. I still believe in the message of 'September Clues' but I cannot post here. To all the genuine honest truth seekers here who are not trolls and shills, etc, Peace Out.
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby simonshack on March 13th, 2018, 1:44 am

Peace Out to you too, Anyhoo. ^_^

I'm sure you'll find this "dead forum" (as you call it) quite alive, many years from now.

As someone wrote the other day, we 'awakened folks' only make up about 0.1% of this world's population.

Well, I don't think that the Nutwork clowns currently "running" this world make up much more than 0.1% either.

Sooo... if you think about it, it's basically 1 on 1 !

There's still hope - and I'm sure that reason will prevail.
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby fbenario on March 13th, 2018, 2:17 am

Anyhoo » March 12th, 2018, 6:02 pm wrote:For what it is worth, a lot of the responses I received to my posts here have turned me off of this place. I didn't even know what Gaslighting was until I looked it up and I immediately knew that this was what was being done by at least one person here. Despicable behavior and a sure fire way to turn off a truth seeker. I am not dissuaded from following the truth. I just won't do it here, because this place is infiltrated. I still believe in the message of 'September Clues' but I cannot post here. To all the genuine honest truth seekers here who are not trolls and shills, etc, Peace Out.

Infiltrated? By whom? New members without the courage to defend their comments?

What a load of cliched tripe. This is ridiculous. Each of us has shown over the last decade that we have a little bit of a backbone, and can easily withstand rebuke, both from fellow forum members and the rest of the world, without turning tail and running to hide. Recently a number of new members were critiqued a little bit, got their feelings hurt, and immediately abandoned. What do they expect, that after discovering the world may not be as presented in their beloved media, that we will give them a hearty 'attaboy!' and agree with their every utterance? What the hell is wrong with everyone?
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby hoi.polloi on March 13th, 2018, 5:19 am

Funny how when Anyhoo decided to leave, the forum felt less infiltrated all of a sudden.
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby patrix on March 13th, 2018, 10:33 am

Indeed Simon. I would say things are getting brighter for every day that passes.

Lol. You don't say Hoi. :-) But speaking from own experience I like to give everyone the benfit of the doubt. My cognitive dissonance made me acting a bit strange here if you remember. But regardless if shill or not I don't think Anyhoos type of posts are contributing.

On the subject of this thread there's a new episode from Radio Cui Bono out now for swedish/nordic listeners (that are growing at an impressive rate):
https://www.spreaker.com/user/10042798/ ... desinforma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGlsPxll8MQ

Daniel has also set up a swedish speaking Cui Bono channel on Discord. Contact Daniel on Discord, username deletetheelite, if you would like to join.

Yes, may reason prevail Simon. Aye to that. /Patrix

Edit: There is some content in the show for english speakers. Martin asks Ole Dammegard, Christopher Bollyn and James Corbett at the Open Minds Conference in Copenhagen about their views on September Clues and the idea/fact that Nukes are a hoax. And some nice tunes by our Simon. It starts at 1.18.30
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby Faye on March 13th, 2018, 11:45 pm

Under "Getting the word out" I imagine an edition in an impressive format on offset high gloss heavy paper with spectacular photography and breathtaking honest texts entitled maybe "Three thousand September Clues".
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby patrix on May 31st, 2018, 7:15 am

I've been very active since I "woke up", writing on forums like this one, helping Simon with his astronomy research and doing podcasts. One of the first things I did was to join a community that arranges seminars for speakers that are not welcome elsewhere. I do not agree with everything and regard some of the talks as disinfo, but there's a steady audience and I hope to make them more aware. And my advice to those who want to do something and have like-minded to talk with is to do the same. Create or join a local community. To meet people in real life and exchange thoughts is so important and I think there's a steady growing awareness or at least a general feeling something is not right with the world. Mankind needs your help to get out of this modern dark age.

Right now we have a substantial disinfo circus consisting of "useful idiot" organizations like International Sceptics, Flat Earth, 911truth and other controlled opposition. But if more real people spoke up I really think we could overrun this shit show.

May reason prevail as Simon puts it

/Patrik
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby patrix on June 13th, 2018, 4:19 pm

Thomas Seyfried on dogma

I've been looking into medicine many years before I found the Cluesforum research by Simon Et al. and the problems with dissipating new findings within medicine are very similar to getting the word out regarding 9/11, the Terror and Space hoaxes and Tychos. I recently found this interview where I think Prof. Seyfried describes the problem with dogma very well. Go to 8 min and 23s


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21GbAShHk14

https://youtu.be/21GbAShHk14?t=8m23s
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Re: GETTING THE WORD OUT!

Postby HonestlyNow on June 13th, 2018, 10:51 pm

patrix » June 13th, 2018, 11:19 am wrote:I've been looking into medicine many years . . .
[link to video on ketosis]

What have you found out about how a properly functioning (moving, flowing) lymphatic system is the key to health? And how one can clean up their own (stagnant) lymph system by following the species specific diet designed by nature (not ketogenic diet), what did you learn about that?
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