THE "CHATBOX"

[nonhocapito]

Cryptome steps in to support a research on the fakery of young Obama's pictures. (The source being this website)



So they figured things can be forged, uh? the website sourced by cryptome also supports the idea that Obama is a human/reptilian hybrid, but this doesn't seem to bother them a bit. What about the forgery of 9/11 victims and events, cryptome?

[fbenario]

Nice.

"US Government’s ‘Pirate’ Domain Seizures Failed Miserably

It wasn’t hard for the affected sites to continue their operations. Since their servers had not been touched physically it was a simple matter to change a few settings to make the sites available to the public again under a new domain, something achieved in a few minutes. This is exactly what most of the streaming and file-sharing related sites have done.

http://torrentfreak.com/us-governments- ... ly-110403/

[Mercurial]

With reference to my last post on the Egypt/Libya thread.

This guy, Rabbi Jerry Goldstein, finds himself in the 6% of Israelis with a conscience - I found the following link through his youtube channel:

http://palestinecards.com/war_crimes.html

(94% of Israeli's approved of Operation Cast Lead, and hence approved of the slaughter of 300 children)

Also really loving this guy:

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-a ... -here.html

[hoi.polloi]

It's all in how you ask the question.

Not to always come to the defense of Israelis (I probably dislike their genocidal wars against the Palestinians, Lebanese and other countries as much as one who hasn't experienced them in person can ...) but polls are misleading.

Take the polls we set up on this very site as an example. When you get to frame the question, there is a limited number of responses possible and therefore you already answer the question in some way before you even ask it.

Modern polling was developed through the propaganda exercises of Freud's nephew Edward Bernays and co., under the auspices of "public relations". Incidentally, you might say Freud and Bernays share cynicism about the human race with those Zionists herding/cordoning the media and framing the debate. They believe in the inherent chaotic evil of humanity.

If I say, "Do you love freedom or do you want the terrorists to win?" for example, there isn't really a true dichotomy open for dialogue being set up. The premise of the question is the belief in humanity's inherent chaotic evil.

There was a heart-warming story a while back wherein children in an Israeli classroom announced their opposition to the genocidal wars waged by their government, refused to join the mandatory military training and stated that there was no military solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict. Good on the "non-evil" Israelis! We should celebrate these small victories, however small. By the way, I hear most religious Jews do not support the state of Israel - as it can only be given 'by God' to their people and since the British are not God it was not ordained by Him. It's just those forced to worship a violent government because of the way their situation is presented to them who constantly endorse every action of their runaway government. Anyway, this is just the chatbox so I thought I'd bring that up. It's not really important I guess.

That "Gallop" lady seems like an interesting framework (or mitre, if you will ) for the debate about Rumsfeld and Cheney's culpability. Wouldn't it be nice if it were real ...?

I can imagine a scenario whereby a trial against Clinton, Bush, Obama and Co. is won and their sims are hung on Live TV ... while the real Clintons, Bushes, Obamas and the works skidaddle to South America, where they are apparently purchasing swaths of land. I wonder whatever happened to that old Adolf Hitler fellow ...

[Dcopymope]

It's all in how you ask the question.

Not to always come to the defense of Israelis (I probably dislike their genocidal wars against the Palestinians, Lebanese and other countries as much as one who hasn't experienced them in person can ...) but polls are misleading.

Take the polls we set up on this very site as an example. When you get to frame the question, there is a limited number of responses possible and therefore you already answer the question in some way before you even ask it.

Modern polling was developed through the propaganda exercises of Freud's nephew Edward Bernays and co., under the auspices of "public relations". Incidentally, you might say Freud and Bernays share cynicism about the human race with those Zionists herding/cordoning the media and framing the debate. They believe in the inherent chaotic evil of humanity.

If I say, "Do you love freedom or do you want the terrorists to win?" for example, there isn't really a true dichotomy open for dialogue being set up. The premise of the question is the belief in humanity's inherent chaotic evil.

There was a heart-warming story a while back wherein children in an Israeli classroom announced their opposition to the genocidal wars waged by their government, refused to join the mandatory military training and stated that there was no military solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict. Good on the "non-evil" Israelis! We should celebrate these small victories, however small. By the way, I hear most religious Jews do not support the state of Israel - as it can only be given 'by God' to their people and since the British are not God it was not ordained by Him. It's just those forced to worship a violent government because of the way their situation is presented to them who constantly endorse every action of their runaway government. Anyway, this is just the chatbox so I thought I'd bring that up. It's not really important I guess.

That "Gallop" lady seems like an interesting framework (or mitre, if you will ) for the debate about Rumsfeld and Cheney's culpability. Wouldn't it be nice if it were real ...?

I can imagine a scenario whereby a trial against Clinton, Bush, Obama and Co. is won and their sims are hung on Live TV ... while the real Clintons, Bushes, Obamas and the works skidaddle to South America, where they are apparently purchasing swaths of land. I wonder whatever happened to that old Adolf Hitler fellow ...

For all we know, he was probably smuggled out of Germany with the thousands of other top Nazi officials that was smuggled out through Operation Paperclip, it is certainly possible.

[antipodean]

For all we know, he was probably smuggled out of Germany with the thousands of other top Nazi officials that was smuggled out through Operation Paperclip, it is certainly possible.

I think it's unlikely, Hitler wouldn't have been of any use. Operation Paperclip cherry picked the Nazis that were of the most use, like the scientists that worked on the guided V2&1 missiles.

[Extremophile]

Dear Simon and other admins,

I've noticed that some very disturbed people register on the forum to open a thread to spam stuff. There are 2 threads from these spam idiots open in 'general discussion' for hours now and one of those is very sick stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if this is some kind of operation to discredit the people here since if it this shit isn't removed fast enough, there is an automatic "guilt by association" if you know what I mean.
Is there a way to remove threads faster and/or 'automatically' in some way ban these people who are doing this?

Thanks for your response. If my post isn't relevant anymore you can delete it, no problem.

[simonshack]

Yeah, Extremophile - it's bloody annoying. Dunno how to delete such shite automatically (nonhocapito, hoi - any idea?).

Our longtime member Brianv has kindly offered to help out with deleting this stuff - so I'm promoting him to standard administrator. Brian, let me know if I've set your permissions correctly. You should be able to delete spam posts now. Thanks for helping out with the daily chores, man!

[nonhocapito]

Good thing having a new admin! I looked into some more serious way to fight spam, but honestly didn't have the time to really figure out a solution. These days I don't have much time or to be more precise the ease of mind to solve many other little things I was set out to make better with the forum. Sorry about it! Unfortunately with spam it is going to get worse the more the forum becomes popular. I think this is not even intentional, just how the internet works, with the thousands of zombie PCs out there constantly scrounging the net for holes where to dump their garbage. Hopefully I/we will find a way soon to work on this...

[SmokingGunII]

Noticed this earlier. I would look upon it as a good sign. Someone, somewhere is worried.

[fbenario]

Can anyone here read French?

Libya: Media Propaganda and "Humanitarian Imperialism"

In an article entitled “The Rules of War Propaganda” [http://www.mondialisation.ca/index.php? ... &aid=23995], Michel Collon details the Western media’s war coverage and the “inevitable rules of ‘war propaganda’”: demonize the enemy, leave out the geographical and historical context, hide the real interest, and avoid recalling past media manipulation.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24207

[fbenario]

The Washington Post's dependence on the government it covers

The Washington Post this morning published a lengthy article detailing the fortune -- and now the trouble -- generated for its parent company, The Washington Post Co., as a result of its acquisition of Kaplan Higher Ed. While The Post continues to lose money, Kaplan -- particularly its sprawling network of for-profit "universities" which the company began building in 2000 -- generates huge profits for the company, profits on which the Post Co. depends almost completely for its sustainability.

Indeed, the newspaper has become little more than a side vanity project for the Post Co. and the Graham family which continues to dominate it; it is now, at its core, in the business of profiting off of lower-income students who pay for diplomas, often obtained via online classes. "The fate of The Post Co. has become inextricably linked with that of Kaplan, where revenue climbed to $2.9 billion in 2010, 61 percent of The Post Co.'s total," the article detailed; "the company is more dependent than ever on a single business,' [CEO Donald] Graham wrote in last year's annual report, adding that the newspaper had never accounted for as large a share of overall company revenue as Kaplan does today."

The article is largely devoted to recounting the corruption and abuses which pervade the for-profit education industry in general and Kaplan in particular (saddling poor people with debt in exchange for nothing of real value). But what I found most notable is how dependent is this industry -- including The Washington Post Co. -- on staying in the good graces of the Federal Government. Because these schools target low-income students, the vast majority of their income is derived from federal loans. Because there have been so many deceptive practices and defaults, the Federal Government has become much more aggressive about regulating these schools and now play a vital role in determining which ones can thrive and which ones fail.

Put another way, the company that owns The Washington Post is almost entirely at the mercy of the Federal Government and the Obama administration -- the entities which its newspaper ostensibly checks and holds accountable. "By the end of 2010, more than 90 percent of revenue at Kaplan’s biggest division and nearly a third of The Post Co.’s revenue overall came from the U.S. government." The Post Co.'s reliance on the Federal Government extends beyond the source of its revenue; because the industry is so heavily regulated, any animosity from the Government could single-handedly doom the Post Co.'s business -- a reality of which they are well aware
...
For each of these large corporations, alienating federal government officials is about the worst possible move it could make -- something of which all of its employees, including its media division employees, are well aware. But the Post Co.'s dependence is even more overwhelming than most.

How can a company which is almost wholly dependent upon staying in the good graces of the U.S. Government possibly be expected to serve as a journalistic "watchdog" over that same Government? The very idea is absurd. The whole point of the First Amendment's free press guarantee is that adversarial journalism is possible only if journalists are independent of political power. Yet the U.S. now has exactly the opposite dynamic: most major media outlets are owned by corporations that are anything but independent of government: they are quite dependent upon political officials for their profit in countless ways. We have anything but an independent press, which is another way of saying we have anything but a free press.

If you tell journalists that they are restrained in adversarial reporting by such motivations, they will vehemently deny it and perhaps even believe their denials. Media self-censorship is rarely overt; these journalists thus do not typically receive memos instructing them to lavish political officials with favorable treatment and avoid alienating them (though sometimes that's exactly how they receive those dictates). But that's because such instructions are unnecessary. Any employees who thrive in large corporations do so by learning what's in their employer's interests and acting dutifully to promote those interests. No corporate employee can remain for long if their actions subvert their employer's core interests."

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... index.html

[hoi.polloi]

Yes, the Internet is flooded with the porn or marketing BS trolls. I wouldn't take this particular species of bot troll personally. Sorry we can't pay you as well as some janitors are paid, brianv. You're a volunteer scum scrubber and it's appreciated!

[fbenario]

Why the United States Is Destroying Its Education System

A nation that destroys its systems of education, degrades its public information, guts its public libraries and turns its airwaves into vehicles for cheap, mindless amusement becomes deaf, dumb and blind. It prizes test scores above critical thinking and literacy. It celebrates rote vocational training and the singular, amoral skill of making money. It churns out stunted human products, lacking the capacity and vocabulary to challenge the assumptions and structures of the corporate state. It funnels them into a caste system of drones and systems managers. It transforms a democratic state into a feudal system of corporate masters and serfs.

Teachers, their unions under attack, are becoming as replaceable as minimum-wage employees at Burger King. We spurn real teachers—those with the capacity to inspire children to think, those who help the young discover their gifts and potential—and replace them with instructors who teach to narrow, standardized tests. These instructors obey. They teach children to obey. And that is the point. The No Child Left Behind program, modeled on the “Texas Miracle,” is a fraud. It worked no better than our deregulated financial system. But when you shut out debate these dead ideas are self-perpetuating.

Passing bubble tests celebrates and rewards a peculiar form of analytical intelligence. This kind of intelligence is prized by money managers and corporations. They don’t want employees to ask uncomfortable questions or examine existing structures and assumptions. They want them to serve the system. These tests produce men and women who are just literate and numerate enough to perform basic functions and service jobs. The tests elevate those with the financial means to prepare for them. They reward those who obey the rules, memorize the formulas and pay deference to authority. Rebels, artists, independent thinkers, eccentrics and iconoclasts—those who march to the beat of their own drum—are weeded out.
...
The truly educated become conscious. They become self-aware. They do not lie to themselves. They do not pretend that fraud is moral or that corporate greed is good. They do not claim that the demands of the marketplace can morally justify the hunger of children or denial of medical care to the sick. They do not throw 6 million families from their homes as the cost of doing business. Thought is a dialogue with one’s inner self. Those who think ask questions, questions those in authority do not want asked. They remember who we are, where we come from and where we should go. They remain eternally skeptical and distrustful of power. And they know that this moral independence is the only protection from the radical evil that results from collective unconsciousness. The capacity to think is the only bulwark against any centralized authority that seeks to impose mindless obedience. There is a huge difference, as Socrates understood, between teaching people what to think and teaching them how to think. Those who are endowed with a moral conscience refuse to commit crimes, even those sanctioned by the corporate state, because they do not in the end want to live with criminals—themselves."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e27860.htm

[hoi.polloi]

Happy Birthday Thomas Jefferson!