Murder of Italian politician Aldo Moro - what was it really?

Unread post by **bostonterrierowner** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:46 am

nonhocapito wrote:
bostonterrierowner wrote:One more thing regarding priest Jerzy Popieluszko and his abduction. He was thrown into the trunk of Polish Fiat 125 p and the rope was tied around his neck and legs in Italian Mafia way . Any attempt to at least partially stretch his legs was causing strangulation . First thing that came to my mind in this period or a bit later was Italian TV Series with polish title "Octopuss" about some cup called Cattani sent to Siciliy to fight Mafia. In one episode I remember abduction very similar to Popieluszko's with exactly the same tying pattern.

http://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... 0718191931

La Piovra with Michele Placido starring Corrado Cattani , 1984 .
I can't believe La piovra was broadcasted in Poland! A real bullshit series that one.

Anyway the Mafia accomplished many "political" crimes as exchange of favors with politicians and other forces. In the Moro case, the Mafia, both sicilian and roman, enters from all sorts of doors and windows. Tommaso Buscetta (famous Mafia boss) will declare that the Mafia went directly to the RB a few times, asking if they would accept to claim a murder accomplished by the Mafia for themselves, to which the RB officially responded: "only if one of our men takes part to it". History doesn't tell if this happened or not.

But the methods of the RB where often Mafia-style, like "warnings" and "punishments". It remains to understand if they derive one from the other, or rather if all men, put in the position to exercise arbitrary violence, end up behaving the same ways.

P.s: I hope you noticed that after a bit of uncertainty and a "round trip" of considerations, I am back to the idea that Moro was in fact in via caetani in that car.
I just wanted to state here that I am glad my uncertainty and indecision on the matter has been documented with these few posts.
This is research in "real time", we are not writing a book, and it is important when the method above all (if there is one), is shown.

La Piovra was quite popular in Poland ,i think they made also number 2 and 3 : ) Can you please recommend some good biography of Aldo Moro ? I dont want to rely only on Wikipedia ...

Unread post by **nonhocapito** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:37 am

bostonterrierowner wrote:La Piovra was quite popular in Poland ,i think they made also number 2 and 3 : ) Can you please recommend some good biography of Aldo Moro ? I dont want to rely only on Wikipedia ...

Hey BTO, sorry I did notice your request but then I forgot about it. Did you mean actual books or internet sources? If you meant books, unfortunately I don't really know what to suggest to you, unless you read italian. I can't say what has been translated or written in english and/or polish. Besides in all honesty I never actually read a complete biography of Aldo Moro, but only research books on the kidnapping. A fault I'll make sure to remedy sooner or later.
Maybe corsarino knows best and can help you.

As to the internet, italian websites are not renowned for their accuracy or completeness of the sources, without even going into the numerous reasons for political bias of italian writers.

in any case, here are a few pages off a google search
http://biografieonline.it/biografia.htm ... =Aldo+Moro
http://cronologia.leonardo.it/storia/a1978z.htm
two of moro's letters to his wife:
http://www.ilpost.it/2010/07/19/morta-e ... o-lettere/

as you can see this is nothing you couldn't have found yourself. These are short, barely useful things, that nonetheless have the merit of not being copy-paste jobs from wikipedia.

P.s. the first bio is titled "sacrificial lamb". It is funny how such rhetorical images are so frequent in Italy when talking about Moro, and yet nobody ever noticed that "sacrificial lamb" poster next to the R4, before we did so on the cluesforum

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Unread post by **bostonterrierowner** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:18 pm

nonhocapito wrote:
bostonterrierowner wrote:La Piovra was quite popular in Poland ,i think they made also number 2 and 3 : ) Can you please recommend some good biography of Aldo Moro ? I dont want to rely only on Wikipedia ...
Hey BTO, sorry I did notice your request but then I forgot about it. Did you mean actual books or internet sources? If you meant books, unfortunately I don't really know what to suggest to you, unless you read italian. I can't say what has been translated or written in english and/or polish. Besides in all honesty I never actually read a complete biography of Aldo Moro, but only research books on the kidnapping. A fault I'll make sure to remedy sooner or later.
Maybe corsarino knows best and can help you.

As to the internet, italian websites are not renowned for their accuracy or completeness of the sources, without even going into the numerous reasons for political bias of italian writers.

in any case, here are a few pages off a google search
http://biografieonline.it/biografia.htm ... =Aldo+Moro
http://cronologia.leonardo.it/storia/a1978z.htm
two of moro's letters to his wife:
http://www.ilpost.it/2010/07/19/morta-e ... o-lettere/

as you can see this is nothing you couldn't have found yourself. These are short, barely useful things, that nonetheless have the merit of not being copy-paste jobs from wikipedia.

P.s. the first bio is titled "sacrificial lamb". It is funny how such rhetorical images are so frequent in Italy when talking about Moro, and yet nobody ever noticed that "sacrificial lamb" poster next to the R4, before we did so on the cluesforum .

Thanks NoHo ,

I want to take a look at Moro's early life , I am sure I will find some interesting stuff in his past useful for this thread. I find his story fascinating and extremely useful for the overall research we are doing here. Besides I always liked everything Italian , you know Mafia , Vatican ( even bigger Mafia

) , Machiavelli , Monica Belluci and many , many others

Unread post by **corsarino** » Fri May 18, 2012 11:15 am

In the night of May 19th it is possibile to visit the underground of Cripta Balbi in Via delle Botteghe Oscure, corner Via Caetani.

Is someone interested in such particular visit?

look at:

http://www.museiincomuneroma.it/mostre_ ... musei_2012

then download Programma in Documenti Area.

Unread post by **corsarino** » Sat May 19, 2012 4:30 pm

Sorry but the Programma dei Musei is stopped By the Italian Gorvenment.

Next time, I hope

Unread post by **sentientlinergy** » Mon May 21, 2012 12:49 pm

A Portuguese prime minister was murdered by the same máfia.
http://pastebin.com/Rbe2F82G

Unread post by **corsarino** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:58 pm

It seems to me a pass grip of a Master Mason

Do you think I am wrong?

Unread post by **brianv** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:17 pm

I see cut and paste! Do you think I'm wrong?

Unread post by **corsarino** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:22 pm

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You can see Napolitano in both pictures..

What is Napolitano looking for in the first photo?

Here is Pertini

What is Agnelli looking for in the photo?

Unread post by **simonshack** » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:24 pm

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My Roman friend and fellow 'veteran' researcher Gianni visited me today. Here's his quite spectacular finding - related to the 'photographic record' of Aldo Moro's historical kidnapping in Via Fani (as of the media-reported narrative). I trust that all Cluesforum readers will appreciate the significance of this finding - which clearly indicates that the Aldo Moro affair was nothing but another mainstream-media-backed psyop - sold to the public, yet again, with shamelessly fabricated / phony / doctored imagery :

sources:
IMAGE A: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agguato_d ... a_Fani.jpg OR/AND https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... a_Fani.jpg
IMAGE B : http://roma.corriere.it/foto-gallery/cr ... 9e21.shtml OR/AND http://lavocedeisenzavoce.altervista.or ... marzo1978/

Grazie, Gianni ! Slam & dunk.

Unread post by **Gopi** » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:09 pm

Looks like the "bullet holes" have been poked through a few times with a compass point.

Unread post by **brianv** » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:31 pm

^ A HB10 caliber pencil by the looks.

Grazie Gianni! You certainly have shot holes in their story.

Unread post by **nonhocapito** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:07 pm

uhm, sorry Simon but I must disagree with this "slam and dunk"...

To me, those holes were never meant to simulate bullet holes. They are simply holes made by a pin to hold the picture on a wall.

Let's not forget that his is an analog picture that obviously was later scanned by someone to upload it on wikipedia... someone who had this picture up on a wall or on a pin board, and moved it a couple of times too. I have many old pictures in the same conditions. As to.the upper border, which should also have pin holes, it might just have been cut out of the digital copy.

The real indication of a staged attack here is actually the absence of bullet holes, which shows the presence of a highly trained commando incompatible with the capabilities of the red brigades.

Although I don't discard fakery, I am still convinced that the Moro case was a pre-fakery false flag attack, old Kissinger school.

Unread post by **simonshack** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:52 pm

nonhocapito wrote: To me, those holes where never meant to simulate bullet holes. They are simply holes made by a pin to hold the picture on a wall.

Interesting theory. I do not buy it though - sorry.

I can see at least 9 holes here - and they all appear to be an integral part of the image. For you to suggest that these are nine holes made by someone pinning this picture on a wall on 9 different / separate occasions is frankly rather silly.

Unread post by **brianv** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:17 pm

I see what you are saying nonho, but why would the pinholes be at the bottom and not at the top, and so spread out? They extend right across the image. Strange way to hang something. Perhaps it was pinned beside the dartboard in the Office of the Investigators and they kept missing the target? There also seems to have been some photographic putty applied to image "B", the joining at the bottom of the door frame has disappeared and it's painted surface has changed from glossy to flat. There's also the matter of the patch on the door!

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