The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby omaxsteve on October 23rd, 2015, 9:01 pm

Forget the Holocaust - you have FAR MORE URGENT issues to tackle !


Well, there is something we both agree on!

regards,

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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 24th, 2015, 1:23 am

omaxsteve wrote: The Kalergi guy seems like quite the lunatic, almost "Hitler-esque" in his views about a superior race,


Thanks, Omaxsteve - that's all I needed to hear from you.

So this lunatic Hitler-esque Coudenhove-Kalergi personnage who wrote a pamphlet eulogizing the "Jew Master Race" has been chosen as a "symbol" for the PanEuropean project? That is pretty weird, is it not? Doesn't this fact bother you at all?

Or perhaps... hey, nothing to see here, move on, folks - move on... :rolleyes:

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However, I will duly answer your questions one by one. Your questions are in green type - my replies are in blue:

"1: In North America, especially the USA there is a heavily disproportionate, concentration of Jewish ownership of the media. Is that the case in Europe as well?"
Yes.
"2:Do the small number of Jews in Italy (30,000 or so) also control the Italian media?"
The Italian media is almost totally subservient to the American media - mostly controlled by Jews. Do your maths.
3: What about the Italian Banking industry, is that also dominated by Jews ?
Same answer as above.
"4: Are there any media organization anywhere in Europe that are not controlled by Jews?"
Of course, there are a few. Mostly local, small-town newspapers (chock-full of commercial ads) which no one really reads. They probably total the readership stats of this forum - or thereabouts.
"5: If so, are they publicizing the Holomodor ?"
Evidently not. Do I know why I have NEVER heard of the Holodomor in my entire life? NO - do you?
But I feel pretty embarrassed about it - since I have always striven to be informed about the ongoings on this planet.



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I'm glad we agree that the Holocaust matter is becoming a waste of our time. However, the FAR MORE URGENT issues to tackle are clearly unclear to you. NO European - if informed about the "MASTER RACE" ideas peddled by the Hitler-esque Coudenhove-Kalergi clown - would allow this guy to become the symbol of "European Unity". We need to inform the European people about this cretin - and about the prizes still being handed out TODAY under his name to the Heads of State of this planet.

Would YOU like a Hitler-esque, "MASTER-RACE" peddler to become the symbol of your own community's unity, Omaxsteve? I hope not.

Could it possibly be a Zionist project? And if so, would you not combat such a project - since you recently said that most Jews do not support Zionism?

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Omaxsteve, let me just make this clear for you: if Dick Coudenhove-Kalergi had written that Scandinavian Martians (like myself) were the "Master Race" - I would be JUST as outraged as I am now, having learned that this guy is the "Ideological Father" of the European Union. Do you understand that much? So far, it doesn't seem so.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby bostonterrierowner on October 24th, 2015, 10:58 pm

From the mass of European humanity, two quality races stand out: blood aristocracy and Jewry


"Jewishness" is not a "biological" phenomenon but "intellectual" one, seems to be implied by Mr Kalergi in aforequoted sentence.

This opinion of mine is farther corrobarated by this passage:

Two thousand years ago, Judaism was a religious community, composed of ethically and religiously predisposed individuals (the same words could be used to define Masonry) from all nations of the ancient cultural world, with a national-Hebrew center in Palestine


Notice that he doesn't mention Israel (Isis-Ra-El hence of mythical character) but Palestine ( Canaan/Phoenicia ).

I produced a lengthy post just on the subject very recently and I think my views find some support in Kalergi's writings.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby Apache on October 25th, 2015, 11:46 am

what pressure is being brought to bear on the Italian Senators who recently voted 234 to 3 with 8 abstentions to enact the legislation making holocaust denial a crime in Italy


340 deputies voted in favor, one against and 107 abstained.
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/n ... -10-1-2015

http://freespeechdebate.com/en/2015/04/ ... denialism/
Considering the pressure exerted by the Framework Decision and by the EU Commission, which has announced infringement procedures against states that do not adopt it, this Italian bill can be considered the best solution as it formally adopts the EU Framework Decision but at the same time minimises and rather nullifies the impact on historical research and communication.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby jumpy64 on October 25th, 2015, 12:32 pm

Congrats, Simon! The Coudenhove-Kalergi EUROPE PRIZE is a priceless find!

In fact, I think the whole New World Order scam, of which the European Union is clearly a part, is possibly connected with the expected advent of the Jewish Messiah who's supposed to unite all the world's population under the Jewish rule.

For now it's just an idea for a possible research, so don't take my word for it

But if somebody has already investigated this possibility, I'd like to know what they have found.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 25th, 2015, 1:28 pm

Apache wrote:
340 deputies voted in favor, one against and 107 abstained.
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/n ... -10-1-2015


Thanks Apache for the heads up regarding Italy's legislation on the matter - I hadn't even followed it up. So there we are, folks:

"In future, people [in Italy] who promote, incite or commit acts of racial discrimination based in part or entirely on the denial of the Holocaust can be punished with prison sentences of up to five years."

"Deputy Walter Verini, who presented the bill to the Chamber, expressed hope that the law become effective on 27 January 2016, International Holocaust Remembrance Day."


So I guess that this leaves us just about another three months to freely discuss the H. on this thread - whereafter it will be wisest for me to lock this topic - for the foreseeable future. Or am I being unduly 'fearful & paranoid'?
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby jumpy64 on October 25th, 2015, 4:20 pm

simonshack wrote:
Apache wrote:
340 deputies voted in favor, one against and 107 abstained.
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/n ... -10-1-2015


Thanks Apache for the heads up regarding Italy's legislation on the matter - I hadn't even followed it up. So there we are, folks:

"In future, people [in Italy] who promote, incite or commit acts of racial discrimination based in part or entirely on the denial of the Holocaust can be punished with prison sentences of up to five years."

"Deputy Walter Verini, who presented the bill to the Chamber, expressed hope that the law become effective on 27 January 2016, International Holocaust Remembrance Day."


So I guess that this leaves us just about another three months to freely discuss the H. on this thread - whereafter it will be wisest for me to lock this topic - for the foreseeable future. Or am I being unduly 'fearful & paranoid'?


The level of servility of Italian parliamentary "representatives" boggles the mind... and the stomach :puke:

I think we should brainstorm to see if something concrete can be done to stop or at least denounce this. I know it sounds kind of impossible, being the press and the media in general controlled by the same "perpetrators" who are behind this most shameful and absolutely vile act of censorship, but who knows...
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 25th, 2015, 6:18 pm

jumpy64 wrote:Congrats, Simon! The Coudenhove-Kalergi EUROPE PRIZE is a priceless find!

In fact, I think the whole New World Order scam, of which the European Union is clearly a part, is possibly connected with the expected advent of the Jewish Messiah who's supposed to unite all the world's population under the Jewish rule.


Jumpy,

Just consider this extract from an extensive biography of the guy known as "Leon TROTSKY" (real name Leiba Bronstein) :

"Bronstein became a convinced internationalist who, by the agency of Parvus' care, learned that the Jewish people were their own collective Messiah and would reach dominion over all peoples through the mixing of the other races and elimination of national boundaries. An international republic was to be created, where the Jews would be the ruling element, since no others [???] would be able to understand and control the masses."

(Please understand that my triple question marks [???] are an expression of great surprise - and not an 'emotional' thing. - simon)

The Masonic Jew Leon Trotsky spoke to his fellow criminals ("revolutionaries") in Petrograd, in December 1917. Among other things, he said the following:
"We must turn her (Russia) into a desert populated by white Negroes upon whom we shall inflict such a tyranny as none of the most dreadful despots of the East have ever dreamt of."

http://www.zioncrimefactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Under-The-Sign-of-the-Scorpion.pdf



Sounds familiar? :mellow:

BTW, this other tidbit from that Trotsky bio may be of interest to "your" thread ( "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspiracy"):
"The children at this Jewish school also studied the Talmud. According to the Talmud, the Jews are God's chosen people who are to play a leading role in the world. In 1911 the Jews had 43 such schools in Odessa alone, a town in which 36.4 per cent of the population was Jewish in 1926. Leiba began collecting pornographic pictures at the age of eight."
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby jumpy64 on October 25th, 2015, 7:13 pm

Wow, Simon, thank you! I'll post something about the bio you suggest ASAP.

Meanwhile, clues of this insane "open conspiracy", as I've called it, keep mounting everywhere we look, so much that I'm having difficulties at keeping up.

In fact, I was ready for some "closing arguments" on "my" thread, but I keep postponing because new things come up every day, literally in every field, and time is not abundant for me these days.

But soon I'll be able to draw some (convincing, at least to me) "conclusions", I hope.

Or maybe they've already "drawn themselves", it seems...
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby Seneca on October 25th, 2015, 7:33 pm

I reviewed the "anti-negatonist" legislation here in Belgium. They followed the example of France (the law of July 13, 1990). In Belgium, holocaust denial is a crime since march 23, 1995*. So is gravely minimizing it (lots of room for interpretation here), justifying or condoning it. The maximum prison sentence is one year, the maximum fine is 30.000 € . When someone is convicted, the state can order this sentence to be made public in magazines, on posters, expenses are for the convicted. The vote was unanimous. There was not much discussion in parliament except from the party "Vlaams Blok" that was known to have voters, some members and representatives that looked favorable on the Nazi regime. The reason that they didn't vote against it was because "they feared sanctions of other political parties and political actors." They saw it as some kind of trap. Anyway, they couldn't have influenced the outcome with 8% of the votes.
*But even before 1995 revisionists were sentenced, see for example: http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/verbeke.html

sources: https://books.google.be/books?id=DWaTun ... me&f=false
http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi_lo ... e_name=wet
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 25th, 2015, 9:23 pm

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Seneca,

I can only hope that you'll agree that this is the crassest piece of European legislation of them all.

It is an insult to free speech - and one that casts shame and hypocrisy upon our entire planet's claims of 'democracy'.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby Seneca on October 25th, 2015, 10:39 pm

omaxasteve wrote:I am responding here, in the chatroom, because I do not want to interfere with anyone who is interested in researching the topic of the Holocaust. You are correct that I have not responded to any of the claims made by people who are questioning the Holocaust ; Here"s why:

The "facts" surrounding the Holocaust have long been ingrained onto the public consciousness. I have no doubt that many claims are exaggerated and many witness testimonies are fabricated, and there exist some doctored photographs. I also have no doubt that the Nazi regime led by Hitler hunted and rounded up Jews and transported them to internment/concentration camps and that a significant number of Jews died there.

If the "Jewish power mongers", or Zionist mis-leaders , were able to pull off such a hoax that has stood up for 70 years and also managed to get countries with very small Jewish populations to pass legislation making it illegal to question the veracity of the claims, I would tend to say they have "won" that round. It's over now, time to give up and move on to something new. There is nothing you , or anyone, can do; no evidence that you can come up with that will ever change the public consciousness or attitude. Even you could convince a number of people that the facts surrounding the Holocaust were fabricated as part of a conspiracy to advance the cause of Jews worldwide, how would that benefit anyone? I think that is also important that you understand that the great majority of modern day Jews are not involved in any conspiracy and are affected equally by the hoaxes and psyops as are the non-Jews.

With all the control they have on our media and education system, if they still have to resort to these kinds of laws against free speech, in other words, organized violence against people doing scientific research, I would tend to say they lost that round. And that they are being shamefully bad losers. Any honest thinker can see that something is not right.

But I think his advice has value.
omaxasteve wrote:So, to summarize my point of view, I am not trying to being adversarial. I am not going to debate you, or anyone about the facts surrounding the Holocaust. I frankly don't care about any evidence you can dig up from the events of WWII. I say leave that to the historians. Put your considerable research and cognitive thinking skills to use in an area where some good can come from it. To use a war analogy, stop fighting a battle that is already lost and the winner has already been declared. What good can come from fighting a battle that has already been lost, if it costs you the war?

My advice, not that you are asking, is to do do what you can to get as many people as possible on your side, be they Jews, Christians, Muslims, or atheists, etc. Focus on exposing the perpetrators, it matters not what religious group they belong to. You are more likely to have success by targeting those that are guilty, than the group they belong to. How can it possibly aid the cause of exposing media fakery by alienating the large number of Jewish victims that are equally effected as you are by the hoaxsters?

To make my position clearer, a Jew, or someone who sympathizes with Jews, will not be open to fighting against your imagined "Jewish conspiracy" they will however be much more likely to help in going after the perps within the Media, the government , NASA, or the CIA. Many Jews, however, WILL stand beside you if you are fighting against the Zionists.

But then we also should not alienate these brave people, who risk their lives in order to bring more truth to our historic consciousness.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 25th, 2015, 11:00 pm

Seneca wrote:But then we also should not alienate these brave people, who risk their lives in order to bring more truth to our historic consciousness.


Dear Seneca,

I don't think any thinkers / intellectuals exposing the Jews', JPM's (or Zionists' - CALL THEM WHAT YOU WILL) criminal role in world history are risking their lives anymore. Today the game has changed, since they have reached a position of (what they perceive as) 'untouchable power'.

Things were different during their ruthless ascent to planetary power. Back then, they really HAD to get rid of any dissenters, physically / on the spot :

"Despite the dreadful terror, more and more Russians dared to express their discontentment with the rule of the Bolshevik Jews. The intellectuals were especially open about their beliefs. Therefore, on the 27th of July 1918, Izvestiya published an appeal by the Council of the People's Commissaries to the Russian people. This appeal condemned "anti-Semitism as a danger to the cause of the workers' and peasants' revolution". The anti-Semites were outlawed and executed on the spot. Lenin himself signed the appeal but the initiative was Trotsky's. Lenin stressed that anti-Semitism implied counter-revolution."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... pion05.htm



They even had to kill their own - in order to achieve their insane plans of world domination...

"In other words, Russia was occupied by groups of Jewish gangsters, who later also fought against each other. Eventually, about a million Jews died in this way. Professor Israel Shahak stressed in his valuable book "Jewish history, Jewish religion - The Weight of Three Thousand Years" (London, 1994) that fanatical Jews have always tried to follow the instructions according to which they must kill all "traitors" of Jewish blood - those who do not accept their own extreme points of view."
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby fbenario on October 26th, 2015, 12:04 am

simonshack wrote:"In future, people [in Italy] who promote, incite or commit acts of racial discrimination based in part or entirely on the denial of the Holocaust can be punished with prison sentences of up to five years."

This statute on its face does not punish discussion or denial of the Holocaust/HoloHoax. It punishes 'acts of racial discrimination'.

Other European countries evidently do have Holocaust denial laws, as may Italy itself under some other statute. This statute, however, in this translation, doesn't seem to criminalize discussion at all - it criminalizes certain 'acts' based on Holocaust denial, whatever that means.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 26th, 2015, 12:07 am

Are you Jewish, Fbenario?
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