The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

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The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby Alef on September 5th, 2011, 2:11 am

Un homme - Robert Faurisson

Born in 1929 of a French father and a Scottish mother, Robert Faurisson taught classical letters (French, Latin, Greek) before specialising first in the analysis of modern and contemporary French literary texts and, finally, in the appraisal of texts and documents (literature, history, media). He was professor at the Sorbonne and the University of Lyon. Because of his historical revisionist stands, he was effectively forbidden from teaching. He has incurred many convictions in the law courts and has suffered ten physical assaults. In France, access to the press, radio and television is barred to him, as it is to all revisionists. Amongst his works: Écrits révisionnistes (1974-1998), in four volumes (2nd edition, LV-2027 p.).

The Victories of Revisionism
By Professor Robert FAURISSON
11 décembre 2006
http://www.radioislam.org/faurisson/eng/victories.htm

Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJPkCKgYqng

trailer DOCUMENTARY ENTITLED "un homme" september 2011

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFBEOM4vD-U

Heretics Hour Interview with Prof. Robert Faurisson

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Mv_N-yY6I

Interview with Prof. Robert Faurisson (french----italian subtitles)

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me7biW9xaxk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson

David Cole interviews with Dr Franciszek Piper

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOZLggdNTSo
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby MartinL on September 27th, 2011, 11:34 am

The Great Holocaust Trial, Canada 1985, Ernst Zundel vs. the Jewish survivors.
Very interesting, regardless of anyones position on the Holocaust matter.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJBoh-ZSPE

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQiP7xdmFtA

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CysKB8sv5k

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kargMxYB7EY

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLI2k8nCXzs

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5ENtKCHWfI

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poRrVFgVObo
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby chess_king on October 4th, 2011, 10:38 pm

how about this article on the truthseeker:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=35156
:lol:
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby warriorhun on October 6th, 2011, 9:36 pm

Dear All,

Holocaust is a slippery ground.
Not only can one get a prison sentence for doubting the official story, like in my country.
Also, as in the case of 9/11's 3000 vicsims, we have to face the 6 million vicsims and their psychological barrier.

One of the reason why I doubt the Holocaust is the PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder)-angle.
Both killers and survivors should have suffered a severe PTSD if the official story was true. And I am not talking about simple survivor-guilt or bad dreams with flashbacks, I am talking about mass-suicides, masses turning into blubbering idiots and vegetables, mass drug and alcohol-abuse, family violence and spouse and kid beatings, the works: 90 percent of the people participating in this on either side should be dead or in the madhouse by 1955, if the Vietnam war's veterans PTSD cases are anything to go by-and that was simple war, not industry-grade mass murder. A small amount of perpetrators simply can not do this for years-and if they are relieved by new forces, the tales had to spread like wildfire. Still: all the Nazi leaders the first time they ever heard of their own evil deeds was-in Nürnberg.

And is it possible that Jews lie about their enemies, exaggerating their evil, and their own sufferings? Just asking...

Be that as it may, the angle which should interest us-if we really really want to explore this part of history here at all-is the Media fakery angle. As in: fake videos, fake pictures.

The most famous example is the photo released by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, where the picture depicts:
"As these prisoners were being processed for slave labor, many of their friends and families were being gassed and burned in the ovens in the crematoria. The smoke can be seen in the background. June 1944".

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Unfortunately for them, the original photo is available, too, from 1944. The crematoria is not smoking for some reason in reality...

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I took the photos from this link: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/fak ... eFake.html

There is a rumor-which I can find believable-is that after the Allied terror-bombing of Dresden, the pictures the German authorities took of the mounds of dead German civilians, men, women, kids, later were put in the Allied newspapers as pictures of Jews killed during the Holocaust...
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby bostonterrierowner on October 7th, 2011, 4:43 pm

I posted this somewhere before but I have to say that the official persecution of Jews is a fact . My grandmother lived through the war in Warsaw . I know from her eye witness acoounts that it actually could have costed you your life , being a Jew in Poland in this period. She remenbered very well the liquidation of Warsaw Ghetto and some stories of the horrors commited there reached her ears . She didnt go close enough to see it "live" but some of her friends / neighbours did.

30 percent of jewish residents of warsaw had to go somewhere . Whole neighbourhoods were discontinued along with their orthodox/chasidic members. Its the fact.

Jewish looking men dropping their pants in front of the german soldiers was a common thing .

World War II was very much alive in the conversations with my gramma during my childhood . I was very interested in it and heard a lot about it from her. She was a very simple woman , her teen years were cut short by the war along with the education, she neverd lied . She also was a practicing catholic .

In my opinion the numbers dead in so called holocaust are greatly inflated , but it doesnt mean that the poor , uneducated mostly chasidic masses of Poland , Lithuania , Ukraine , Belarus didnt suffer severely during the war, they did . I would say that around 1 million Jews died due to diseases , harsh treatment , hunger and a plain wartime bestiality. The Nazis were bandits , period and anyone thinking otherwise is simply delusional . To make the matters more complicated I want to stress that Hans Frank , the nazi governor of Poland was Jewish along with Adolf Eichmann and a vast majority of prominent Nazis , Hitler included :)

Great numbers of people had to be relocated to Palestine and USA , Canada . Some of them didnt want to go , plus it would be impossible to move around so many souls in peace-time . Others were just too poor and uneducated , so they died . These were the real victims of anti -Jewish histeria . Thats the whole purpose of this whole "holocaust" Psy-Op.

The same people put Hitler and Stalin in power , orders came from London and NYC . These two "dictators" were just puppets , like all politicians , no surprise here .

Gas chambers are fake , "holocaust survivors" seen on American TV in the past are as real as 9/11 ones IMHO but it doesnt mean that WWII wasnt a barbaric , criminal venture. NAZIS in Nurnberg deserved their fate ( if the whole thing was real of course ) but should have been joined by their Soviet , British , American partners in crime.
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby fbenario on October 8th, 2011, 12:58 am

bostonterrierowner wrote:I would say that around 1 million Jews died due to diseases , harsh treatment , hunger and a plain wartime bestiality.

In 1976 the international Red Cross in Switzerland analyzed every single existing German record from the war and totaled 376,000 Jewish deaths. There was obviously no HoloHoax, just a lot of civilians of all types who died in the war.
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby brianv on October 8th, 2011, 3:07 am

WW2 has been a recurring area of speculation on my part since "you-know-what", the un-mentionable, but with the limited number of hours in the day, and the great weight for the necessity of sleep, I have refrained. So I'm not going there...except for this

wiki ww2

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Looks like a candidate to me!

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Manual cut and copy, manual reduction, manual alter ships slightly with judicious cuts with scissors, manual paste then manual re-photograph and touch-up?

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Fortunate for us that we now have Gimp and only another 5 minutes of my precious sleep time is lost!
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby Guerrero on October 8th, 2011, 10:19 am

fbenario wrote:
bostonterrierowner wrote:I would say that around 1 million Jews died due to diseases , harsh treatment , hunger and a plain wartime bestiality.

In 1976 the international Red Cross in Switzerland analyzed every single existing German record from the war and totaled 376,000 Jewish deaths. There was obviously no HoloHoax, just a lot of civilians of all types who died in the war.


That's sarcasm, right? I was taught the 6 million figure over and over and over again in the beautiful propaganda model of american public schools. Yup. No HoloHoax. I mean, what's the diff between 6 million and less than half a million??? Meanwhile, supposedly, almost a million died in the genocide of Rwanda...and how many Native Americans??? Oh we don't speak of such things... :wacko:
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby brianv on October 8th, 2011, 2:13 pm

brianv wrote:WW2 has been a recurring area of speculation on my part since "you-know-what", the un-mentionable, but with the limited number of hours in the day, and the great weight for the necessity of sleep, I have refrained. So I'm not going there...except for this

wiki ww2

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Looks like a candidate to me!

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Manual cut and copy, manual reduction, manual alter ships slightly with judicious cuts with scissors, manual paste then manual re-photograph and touch-up?

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Fortunate for us that we now have Gimp and only another 5 minutes of my precious sleep time is lost!


I suppose one could say "Ye Olde Photoshoope" :lol:

It does also happen to mention at that wiki site that 60-70million non-jews had the audacity to perish also in ww2!
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby warriorhun on October 8th, 2011, 8:41 pm

Dear bostonterrierowner,

you say:
I posted this somewhere before but I have to say that the official persecution of Jews is a fact .


But of course. The official persecution of Jews during WW2 is a fact, period. Nobody questions this. (I heard the stories of the old generations in my family, too.)

BUT. I do question the official WW2 narrative in two regards:
1. That there were no gas-chambers in Auschwitz or other KZ-lagers.
2. That there were no 6 million Jewish victims in Auschwitz or other KZ-lagers.

Nobody claims the Nazis were actually all nice to the Jews, or that the Jews' feeling well was a priority to NSDAP.

But these were war-time atrocities, also these happened with reason (the Jews had it coming, strictly IMO). And it was not the greatest ever human tragedy during History.

A bit of personal view here: if any gang of young, 18 year or 20-something men are given guns, and power of life or death over an enemy civilian population, atrocities are inevitable. They will get drunk, play God, shoot people randomly or round them up to dig their own graves and shoot them en-masse, they'll rape and loot and burn and generally will have a high time. It ain't nice, but this is how war works.
And they may say in the history books that the Nazis were all sadistic evil anti-semitic psychopats foaming at the mouth wanting to drink the blood of the Untermensch, but on the WW2-pictures what I see mostly is simply young guys in uniform.
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby CryptoAnarchist on December 8th, 2011, 4:24 pm

When governments create laws to ban a particular type of speech, you may know that they are trying to protect some bullshit lie.

I haven't seen ANY PROOF at all that jews died in mass numbers. 6 million is a ridiculous figure and wouldn't have even been possible.
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby fbenario on December 9th, 2011, 2:27 am

CryptoAnarchist wrote:When governments create laws to ban a particular type of speech, you may know that they are trying to protect some bullshit lie.

I haven't seen ANY PROOF at all that jews died in mass numbers. 6 million is a ridiculous figure and wouldn't have even been possible.

In 1976 the International Red Cross in Switzerland analyzed every German document from WWII and concluded that 376,000 Jews died in the war. What a surprise the mainstream media has never discussed this.
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby pov603 on December 9th, 2011, 8:33 am

fbenario wrote:
CryptoAnarchist wrote:When governments create laws to ban a particular type of speech, you may know that they are trying to protect some bullshit lie.

I haven't seen ANY PROOF at all that jews died in mass numbers. 6 million is a ridiculous figure and wouldn't have even been possible.

In 1976 the International Red Cross in Switzerland analyzed every German document from WWII and concluded that 376,000 Jews died in the war. What a surprise the mainstream media has never discussed this.


If the 'stat' is supposed to be 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews exterminated in these camps that is 11 million people systematiclly exterminated from 01/Sep'39 to 08/May'45 [nice 'allegory' with '01' = 'A' and '08' = 'H' ;) ] which is approx. 2,075 days and equates to 5,301 people every day,other than combatants and those indirectly involved from combat, being killed.

I am only using the 'start' and 'finish' dates though realise that such an 'event' would not have transpired in such a fashion and accordingly would impact on the figure per day, however for the sake of discussion...

5,301 may not seem a lot but one has to consider the logistics behind even getting that many people from all over Europe to an 'extermination' camp for this to even work.

Even if one could get away with it for a few weeks or even a few months, word would still get round and I think it would have been impossible to passively round that many people up without open revolt, not even taking into account the thousands/hundreds of thousands of others who would be getting 'primed' to be ready to leave when ordered.

However, coming to present day, we are led to believe that 200 people 'jumped' from a burning building even with help on the way [visible and audible] yet they were prepared to face certain death rather than an unimaginable next few minutes.

I am not saying it is impossible for some to take their own life in such a situation but if it were in the numbers we are being led to believe the mere threat of the gas chambers would have done a large part of the job for the Nazis in the first place.
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby Terence.drew on December 10th, 2011, 1:22 am

As has been said, it is impossible to imagine the Jewish state ever lying or inflating their victim levels for purposes of their own ends. Everything about the holocaust rings 100% true. Not one thing is inaccurate, as far as we can make out, which is brilliant.

You must question then the logic and sense of much of the German thinking and actions regarding their final solution - the holocaust.

With 10% of the population dead after the war, and another huge percentage maimed, it is quite amazing that the smart German elite choose to kill 6 million healthy people who could have been worked to death instead.

No bodies? Well the Germans choose to completely destroy the bodies of 6 million jews through cremation.
To vapourise one body in a modern crematorium ?

Quote "Consider that a cremator needs to operate at 760-1150C for 75 minutes per cremation and it's easy to see how much energy is required. In fact, a cremator uses about 285 kiloWatt hours of gas and 15kWh of electricity on average per cremation - roughly the same domestic energy demands as a single person for an entire month"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/oct/18/ethicalmoney.climatechange

One ton of Coal represents approx. 2,460 kWh/ton.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071226095025AANhhB5

So (very roughly) one ton of coal can wipe 10 persons off the planet with the need to do a bit of bone crunching after. That would be 600,000 -1,000,000 tons of coal but luckily the German Crematoriums were much more efficient with each body vaporized eventually consuming only 30 kg of coke (200,000 tons in total) see below
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndcrema.html#ftnref95)

10.2. The Number of Cremations in 1943: Coke Fuel Consumption
The archives of the Auschwitz Museum contain hundreds of receipts documenting deliveries of coke fuel to the crematoria.[191] A member of the museum staff has compiled a per-month list of the quantities specified on each of these receipts. We have in our possession a list of the coke deliveries for the time from February 16, 1942 to October 25, 1943.[192]
By means of a calculation, J.-C. Pressac has shown that these deliveries are complete as listed.[193] For 1943 they were as follows:
Coke [metric tons]
March 144.5
April 60.0
May 91.0
June 61.0

July 67.0
August 71.0
September 61.0
October 82.0
Thus, from March 15 to October 25, 1943, a total amount of 607 tons of coke was delivered to the crematoria. Furthermore, a total of 96 m3 (3,390 cu.ft.) of wood was delivered in the months of September and October.
The 96 m3 (3,390 cu.ft.) of wood that were delivered in September and October correspond to about 43 metric tons. If we set the calorific value of one kilogram of wood equal to that of half a kilogram of coke, then 43 metric tons of wood correspond to 21.5 metric tons of coke. On the basis of this relationship we can equate the calorific value of the coke and wood supplied with a total of (607 + 21.5 =) 628.5 metric tons of coke.
From March 15 to October 25, 1943, ca. 16,000 registered inmates died,[163] which means that the coke consumption per corpse was (628,500÷16,000=) 39.3 kg. This figure also includes the quantity of coke necessary to preheat the ovens. In chapter 5.4., the importance of this factor on the coke consumption was indicated. It will be emphasized here with an example from the oven at Gusen.
From 26 September to October 15, 1941 (20 days), 193 corpses were cremated in this oven during 10 days of activity. That means that the oven operated in average every second day, each time cremating 19 corpses and consuming 47.5 kg of coke per corpse.
From October 26 to 30 (5 days), 129 corpses were cremated, some of them each day, in average 26 corpses per day with 37.2 kg of coke per corpse.
From October 31 to November 12 (13 days), 677 were cremated, as already mentioned. In a daily cycle, in average 52 corpses were cremated requiring 30.6 kg of coke per body.
This means that changing the operation mode from sporadic (19/day)[194] to continuous (52/day) decreased the coke consumption from 47.5 down to 30.6 kg/body, which is a saving of 35.6%,[195] an amount used to heat up the oven when operated discontinuously.


Not a word of a lie.
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Re: "No holes, no Holocaust” The Victories of Revisionism

Postby AnonymousTruther2 on December 11th, 2011, 6:21 pm

I really don't agree with this thread. This "Holocaust never happened" is a COMPLETE LIE!
IBM machines proves the names. This has NOTHING to do with the 9/11 lie and vicsims.
Yes at least 6 millions Hebrew Jewish Israelites died in the camps SINCE 1940, NOT 1943. And at least 12 MILLIONS of protestants and liberal Catholics died too.
The gas chambers were NOT to kill people but to PUT THEM ASLEEP to be BURNED in a ritual.
Jesuit Priests were cursing the ovens while people were burning in them!
MOST of the camps were destroyed BEFORE the end of the war, and they created FAKE camps to fool the world.
REICHFUHRER Heinrich Himmler was a Jesuit Priest, leader of the Thule and Vril Society, sent by Rome to help Hitler.
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