Forget the Holocaust - you have FAR MORE URGENT issues to tackle !
Well, there is something we both agree on!
Forget the Holocaust - you have FAR MORE URGENT issues to tackle !
omaxsteve wrote: The Kalergi guy seems like quite the lunatic, almost "Hitler-esque" in his views about a superior race,
From the mass of European humanity, two quality races stand out: blood aristocracy and Jewry
Two thousand years ago, Judaism was a religious community, composed of ethically and religiously predisposed individuals (the same words could be used to define Masonry) from all nations of the ancient cultural world, with a national-Hebrew center in Palestine
what pressure is being brought to bear on the Italian Senators who recently voted 234 to 3 with 8 abstentions to enact the legislation making holocaust denial a crime in Italy
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/n ... -10-1-2015340 deputies voted in favor, one against and 107 abstained.
Considering the pressure exerted by the Framework Decision and by the EU Commission, which has announced infringement procedures against states that do not adopt it, this Italian bill can be considered the best solution as it formally adopts the EU Framework Decision but at the same time minimises and rather nullifies the impact on historical research and communication.
Apache wrote:http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/n ... -10-1-2015340 deputies voted in favor, one against and 107 abstained.
simonshack wrote:Apache wrote:http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/n ... -10-1-2015340 deputies voted in favor, one against and 107 abstained.
Thanks Apache for the heads up regarding Italy's legislation on the matter - I hadn't even followed it up. So there we are, folks:
"In future, people [in Italy] who promote, incite or commit acts of racial discrimination based in part or entirely on the denial of the Holocaust can be punished with prison sentences of up to five years."
"Deputy Walter Verini, who presented the bill to the Chamber, expressed hope that the law become effective on 27 January 2016, International Holocaust Remembrance Day."
So I guess that this leaves us just about another three months to freely discuss the H. on this thread - whereafter it will be wisest for me to lock this topic - for the foreseeable future. Or am I being unduly 'fearful & paranoid'?
jumpy64 wrote:Congrats, Simon! The Coudenhove-Kalergi EUROPE PRIZE is a priceless find!
In fact, I think the whole New World Order scam, of which the European Union is clearly a part, is possibly connected with the expected advent of the Jewish Messiah who's supposed to unite all the world's population under the Jewish rule.
"Bronstein became a convinced internationalist who, by the agency of Parvus' care, learned that the Jewish people were their own collective Messiah and would reach dominion over all peoples through the mixing of the other races and elimination of national boundaries. An international republic was to be created, where the Jews would be the ruling element, since no others [???] would be able to understand and control the masses."
(Please understand that my triple question marks [???] are an expression of great surprise - and not an 'emotional' thing. - simon)
The Masonic Jew Leon Trotsky spoke to his fellow criminals ("revolutionaries") in Petrograd, in December 1917. Among other things, he said the following:
"We must turn her (Russia) into a desert populated by white Negroes upon whom we shall inflict such a tyranny as none of the most dreadful despots of the East have ever dreamt of."
omaxasteve wrote:I am responding here, in the chatroom, because I do not want to interfere with anyone who is interested in researching the topic of the Holocaust. You are correct that I have not responded to any of the claims made by people who are questioning the Holocaust ; Here"s why:
The "facts" surrounding the Holocaust have long been ingrained onto the public consciousness. I have no doubt that many claims are exaggerated and many witness testimonies are fabricated, and there exist some doctored photographs. I also have no doubt that the Nazi regime led by Hitler hunted and rounded up Jews and transported them to internment/concentration camps and that a significant number of Jews died there.
If the "Jewish power mongers", or Zionist mis-leaders , were able to pull off such a hoax that has stood up for 70 years and also managed to get countries with very small Jewish populations to pass legislation making it illegal to question the veracity of the claims, I would tend to say they have "won" that round. It's over now, time to give up and move on to something new. There is nothing you , or anyone, can do; no evidence that you can come up with that will ever change the public consciousness or attitude. Even you could convince a number of people that the facts surrounding the Holocaust were fabricated as part of a conspiracy to advance the cause of Jews worldwide, how would that benefit anyone? I think that is also important that you understand that the great majority of modern day Jews are not involved in any conspiracy and are affected equally by the hoaxes and psyops as are the non-Jews.
omaxasteve wrote:So, to summarize my point of view, I am not trying to being adversarial. I am not going to debate you, or anyone about the facts surrounding the Holocaust. I frankly don't care about any evidence you can dig up from the events of WWII. I say leave that to the historians. Put your considerable research and cognitive thinking skills to use in an area where some good can come from it. To use a war analogy, stop fighting a battle that is already lost and the winner has already been declared. What good can come from fighting a battle that has already been lost, if it costs you the war?
My advice, not that you are asking, is to do do what you can to get as many people as possible on your side, be they Jews, Christians, Muslims, or atheists, etc. Focus on exposing the perpetrators, it matters not what religious group they belong to. You are more likely to have success by targeting those that are guilty, than the group they belong to. How can it possibly aid the cause of exposing media fakery by alienating the large number of Jewish victims that are equally effected as you are by the hoaxsters?
To make my position clearer, a Jew, or someone who sympathizes with Jews, will not be open to fighting against your imagined "Jewish conspiracy" they will however be much more likely to help in going after the perps within the Media, the government , NASA, or the CIA. Many Jews, however, WILL stand beside you if you are fighting against the Zionists.
Seneca wrote:But then we also should not alienate these brave people, who risk their lives in order to bring more truth to our historic consciousness.
"Despite the dreadful terror, more and more Russians dared to express their discontentment with the rule of the Bolshevik Jews. The intellectuals were especially open about their beliefs. Therefore, on the 27th of July 1918, Izvestiya published an appeal by the Council of the People's Commissaries to the Russian people. This appeal condemned "anti-Semitism as a danger to the cause of the workers' and peasants' revolution". The anti-Semites were outlawed and executed on the spot. Lenin himself signed the appeal but the initiative was Trotsky's. Lenin stressed that anti-Semitism implied counter-revolution."
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... pion05.htm
"In other words, Russia was occupied by groups of Jewish gangsters, who later also fought against each other. Eventually, about a million Jews died in this way. Professor Israel Shahak stressed in his valuable book "Jewish history, Jewish religion - The Weight of Three Thousand Years" (London, 1994) that fanatical Jews have always tried to follow the instructions according to which they must kill all "traitors" of Jewish blood - those who do not accept their own extreme points of view."
simonshack wrote:"In future, people [in Italy] who promote, incite or commit acts of racial discrimination based in part or entirely on the denial of the Holocaust can be punished with prison sentences of up to five years."
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