The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on February 27th, 2013, 4:55 pm

brianv wrote:Holy smoke! Adolf Hitler = Dollar Thief :blink:

ha ha, good one, Brian. How about Torah filled? :P
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby pov603 on February 27th, 2013, 5:20 pm

simonshack wrote:
brianv wrote:Holy smoke! Adolf Hitler = Dollar Thief :blink:

ha ha, good one, Brian. How about Torah filled? :P


Even more so, as he is apparently listed in the baptismal records as Adolfus it actually equals 'US Dollar Thief'!

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Hitler_Baptism_Certificate0002.jpg
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby brianv on February 27th, 2013, 5:28 pm

pov603 wrote:
simonshack wrote:
brianv wrote:Holy smoke! Adolf Hitler = Dollar Thief :blink:

ha ha, good one, Brian. How about Torah filled? :P


Even more so, as he is apparently listed in the baptismal records as Adolfus it actually equals 'US Dollar Thief'!

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Hitler_Baptism_Certificate0002.jpg


:lol:
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby MsQ on February 28th, 2013, 4:55 am

Has anyone ever looked into The Malmedy Trials, held in Dachau, 1946?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre_trial
Sorry for the Wiki link, but it's just to provide the official background story for anyone who may not know...)

I caught a snippet of the trials on tv as I was channel hopping a few weeks ago. I couldn't help but notice that the American military officers in the court in that particular part of the clip were transparent. Instantly I was reminded of one of the moon landing clips with a transparent astronaut.
I googled and found the full clip on youtube which I've posted below. I haven't had a chance to watch the whole thing, but I watched a couple of minutes here and there. It seems very "wooden" IMO.
I skipped to watch some of the hangings. It seemed to me that in some of the hangings, the filming was cut or stopped between the hoods and nooses going over the mens heads, and the actual hangings. Then started again, which seems very odd to me. In others, the hanging is filmed at a distance and obscured by other people.
I would like opinions on the clip if anyone cares to check it out. I wonder was anyone actually hung, was it even a real court?

Hangings at approximately 15:00, 15:30, 14:58 - but theres more also, I just didnt take notes of the times.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5X0VyAJUOo

I also found a couple of pics at http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... medy2.html

The first one made me go "hmmm..." due to the numbers on the signs. (There is also another pic taken at a slightly different angle, showing a number 7 next to number 42 :rolleyes: )

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And this one just struck me as utterly ridiculous. 2 women swoon at the American good guy stepping up. (That's not to sound "anti-American, it just strikes me as propaganda and not genuine.) :rolleyes: :lol:

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ETA: I can't make the youtube box appear in the post.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby resolution on March 2nd, 2013, 4:19 am

I claim no credit for this. I just thought it was in the spirit of this thread.

http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-most-famous-holocaust-photo-fraud.html?zx=9eef0ca461be22d

Thursday, 17 January 2013
The Most Famous Holocaust Photo a Fraud

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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%22These_are_slave_laborers_in_the_Buchenwald_concentration_camp_near_Jena,_many_had_died_from_malnutrition_when_U.S._troo_-_NARA_-_535560.tif

Just over a month ago, I posted an article in which I asserted that arguably the most famous Holocaust photo of all, has been doctored. A version of the above photograph appeared in The New York Times Magazine on page 42 of the Sunday, May 6th, 1945 edition, without the naked gentleman by the post on the right of the photograph.

In that previous article I was relying on a copy I'd purchased and downloaded from The New York Times online archive. And it is an awful copy. So since then I have been endeavouring to track down a better copy of this photo, and this morning I finally succeeded. But it's been a lot of effort, and ended-up costing me over a (U.S.) $100. I first brought an original copy of the May 6th, 1945 edition of The New York Times, which arrived without the magazine section, I visited the National Art Library in London with the deluded belief they had a copy, I contacted the Library of Congress, who I must say were amazingly helpful, and provided me with several copies from the micro-film records they hold (unfortunately another terrible copy), but eventually I found a copy of the magazine on eBay! It was listed with the incorrect date, but as the Library of Congress had provided me with a copy of the front cover of the May 6th, 1945 edition, I knew it was the one I was after. I quickly paid for it, and have been eagerly awaiting its arrival.

I think you'll agree (unless you're a Ho£ocaust profiteer), that it's been well-worth the effort:

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Cover of Section 1 of The New York Times, Sunday, May 6th, 1945

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Cover of The New York Times Magazine, Sunday, May 6th, 1945

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The New York Times Magazine, Sunday, May 6th, 1945, pp.42-43.

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The New York Times Magazine, Sunday, May 6th, 1945, p.42.

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The New York Times Magazine, Sunday, May 6th, 1945, p.42. (Scanned copy, enlarged at link below
http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/4e6b335ea5a745e93aaee322ca412d01.jpg)

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The New York Times Magazine, Sunday, May 6th, 1945, p.42. (Scanned copy, enlarged at link below)
http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/32d888ab315f250fe836e922c866011a.jpg

As Eric Hunt pointed out, the man who has been doctored into this photo, does appear in other photos taken at Buchenwald.


Update: January 19, 2013, 14:05 GMT


A friend has created these superb gif images by overlaying my photograph of the Buchenwald photo published in the NYT magazine in 1945, and the official version of the photo held by the U.S. National Archives (no.178 on this list).

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More fakery uncovered here http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?p=55957#p55957
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby pov603 on March 2nd, 2013, 11:00 am

Well spotted.
I also find it incredible at the choice of adverts alongside such a 'sensitive' issue!
Health Spa
Holiday destination
Champagne
Pipe smoking...?
All of this with the 'world at war'...the show must go on.
Edit: :lol: just saw on p43, 'Picture Credits' - p42 (our old friends) Associated Press!
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on March 2nd, 2013, 2:17 pm

*

Does anyone else find these two MTV 'commercials' ...uh ... pretty sickening - to say the least? :mellow:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvFya8077o
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby hoi.polloi on March 2nd, 2013, 2:53 pm

Weird.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby brianv on March 2nd, 2013, 3:57 pm

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If this is the only copy to be found, how do we know it's genuine? Something about the twisted column and awkwardly set "photograph" in the midst of the advertising pages do not sit well with me! Why the URL stuck on the photograph? The typeset/print on the "World must not Forget" and other columns looks weird, but hey maybe, it's the old printing presses for sure. It has that cobbled together look about it!
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby DeeJay on March 2nd, 2013, 8:27 pm

MsQ wrote:Has anyone ever looked into The Malmedy Trials, held in Dachau, 1946?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre_trial
Sorry for the Wiki link, but it's just to provide the official background story for anyone who may not know...)

I caught a snippet of the trials on tv as I was channel hopping a few weeks ago. I couldn't help but notice that the American military officers in the court in that particular part of the clip were transparent. Instantly I was reminded of one of the moon landing clips with a transparent astronaut.
I googled and found the full clip on youtube which I've posted below. I haven't had a chance to watch the whole thing, but I watched a couple of minutes here and there. It seems very "wooden" IMO.
I skipped to watch some of the hangings. It seemed to me that in some of the hangings, the filming was cut or stopped between the hoods and nooses going over the mens heads, and the actual hangings. Then started again, which seems very odd to me. In others, the hanging is filmed at a distance and obscured by other people.
I would like opinions on the clip if anyone cares to check it out. I wonder was anyone actually hung, was it even a real court?

Hangings at approximately 15:00, 15:30, 14:58 - but theres more also, I just didnt take notes of the times.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5X0VyAJUOo

I also found a couple of pics at http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... medy2.html

The first one made me go "hmmm..." due to the numbers on the signs. (There is also another pic taken at a slightly different angle, showing a number 7 next to number 42 :rolleyes: )

Image

And this one just struck me as utterly ridiculous. 2 women swoon at the American good guy stepping up. (That's not to sound "anti-American, it just strikes me as propaganda and not genuine.) :rolleyes: :lol:

Image

ETA: I can't make the youtube box appear in the post.



I have never heard of the Malmedy Trials and thank you for posting.
I looked at the entire footage and found it quite believable. It was a war trial and I would expect those concerned, especially in those days, before our modern media that pushes microphones into anyone's face, to be quite stilted. The only one I found a bit weird was the interpreter who, at least at the beginning, was posing more like a Hollywood startlet than a linguist in a war trial. But she was good at her job and smartened up later on. There were a number of cuts with titles of what was next to appear which made it a bit choppy.
Regarding the hangings, there were four that were filmed. Times approximative:
13:20 a man is speaking, the noose goes round his neck and then the film cuts to officials exiting a building for the next hanging
14:37 the hanging is in effect hidden by people
15:24 the priest, after his blessing, moves, and you do see the body fall through the trap
17:17 very clear, you see the body fall through the trap

I found it very unsettling to watch this. My thoughts went out to number 74, last to be sitting on the bench. He did not meet a good end.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby DeeJay on March 2nd, 2013, 8:35 pm

simonshack wrote:*

Does anyone else find these two MTV 'commercials' ...uh ... pretty sickening - to say the least? :mellow:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvFya8077o


I have three questions:
- WHY does MTV think that martial law is nigh?
- WHY does it show footage of "the holocaust"?
- WHO produced these, with which sponsorship?

You are right, this is sickening.

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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby lux on March 2nd, 2013, 9:16 pm

Shadow problems:
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I doubt those are bunks. They look like shelves for materials, equipment, etc. Most, if not all, the men appear physically pasted in.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby Rudy Algera on March 2nd, 2013, 9:33 pm

And the famous nobel prize winner Elie Wiesel is there too, second row of bunks from the bottom, seventh from the left, as Wikipedia tells us?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Wiesel
Or is it a hoax?
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/259063
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby sublimity on March 2nd, 2013, 11:28 pm

brianv wrote:Image

If this is the only copy to be found, how do we know it's genuine? Something about the twisted column and awkwardly set "photograph" in the midst of the advertising pages do not sit well with me! Why the URL stuck on the photograph? The typeset/print on the "World must not Forget" and other columns looks weird, but hey maybe, it's the old printing presses for sure. It has that cobbled together look about it!


Yes, the lines that separate the articles from the ads look like the anti-aliased blur from the line tool in photoshop.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby icarusinbound on March 3rd, 2013, 12:29 am

http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/discovered-iconic-photo-in-buchenwald-is-dishonest-photo-fakery

An in-depth dismissal of the shelf-shot. Well worth reading, especially the comments re 'clone-faced' prisoners. The shot was allegedly taken 5 days after liberation..,?
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