I'm still not convinced with the "Greer did it" theory, Terence, although I wouldn't rule it out. The problem is, if the Zapruder film was altered, as we know it was, then any other footage from that day would have also been confiscated and altered, which makes it difficult to make comparisons.
We know that both Deeley Plaza (location of early masonic temple) and the twin towers (twin columns, Jachin & Boaz, the entrance of Solomon, the portal of mysteries) have links to freemasonry. However, having just revisited some JFK videos, something else caught my eye with regards Deeley Plaza - the road layout. It reminded me of a part of the WTC architecture (see below).
Is this symbolic of something and, if so, what is it?
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Thanks, whatsgoingon. When I saw your post, I remembered the thread started by "Sai Girl". Maat aluded to the symbol there and Pov made the link to the architecture here;
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2361286
Oh well, I've made a link to 22/11/63 now, which may or may not be significant!
EDIT: Also appears in other alphabets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_%28letter%29
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2361286
Oh well, I've made a link to 22/11/63 now, which may or may not be significant!
EDIT: Also appears in other alphabets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_%28letter%29
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Interesting stuff on the squid RD... here is a never before shot of Kennedy as a young man..reel.deal wrote:
interesting take Mr.T,
The hand/the gun..Why have a gun waving around when it could be discreetly stowed ready for action near his right shoulder somewhere?
The privacy window in the Presidents limo as it should be.
The privacy window removed in the Presidents limo on Nov22nd. Mondo Bizzaro
Multiple shooters all over the place? defo
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^ The rest of the above fake photo can be seen here:
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7295 ... ousine.png
another reason that I don't think anybody shot JFK.
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7295 ... ousine.png
another reason that I don't think anybody shot JFK.
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Nice find regarding the trident at Deeley Plaza!SmokingGunII wrote:I'm still not convinced with the "Greer did it" theory, Terence, although I wouldn't rule it out. The problem is, if the Zapruder film was altered, as we know it was, then any other footage from that day would have also been confiscated and altered, which makes it difficult to make comparisons.
We know that both Deeley Plaza (location of early masonic temple) and the twin towers (twin columns, Jachin & Boaz, the entrance of Solomon, the portal of mysteries) have links to freemasonry. However, having just revisited some JFK videos, something else caught my eye with regards Deeley Plaza - the road layout. It reminded me of a part of the WTC architecture (see below).
Is this symbolic of something and, if so, what is it?
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There is also an obelisk there:
It is also said that the plaza is near the 33rd parallel (though I don't know what "near" means exactly in this case).
And, while I can't vouch for this guy's entire web site, he does provide other interesting masonic/occult connections to the place:
http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2 ... sonic.html
It is also said that the plaza is near the 33rd parallel (though I don't know what "near" means exactly in this case).
And, while I can't vouch for this guy's entire web site, he does provide other interesting masonic/occult connections to the place:
http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2 ... sonic.html
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THE SUN NEVER LIES
There' a very simple way to expose the ZAPRUDER 27second-long clip as fake/doctored:
As the clip starts, we have this frame:
source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=623JsZCgjm8
We then have this frame:
By the end of the ZAPRUDER clip, we have this frame - showing a (very oddly-shaped) RUNNING MAN:
Here's from another version of the ZAPRUDER film:
source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-6CWoSlCKs
THE FALLING "SPIDERMAN"
Then there are a few frames showing a falling man - in the backdrop:
A mere couple of frames later (at superspeed) he appears to be back up - crouching with his left leg firmly in control ! Wow!
Nonetheless, I rate the ZAPRUDER clip as a PsyOp masterpiece. It may be compared to a rock band's early iconic hit, an unsurpassable gem of inspiration (on the part of its plotters)... It certainly has achieved its intended purpose - to generate a zillion different theories for almost five decades - in such way upholding the myth of the disapperance of JFK as a baffling, irresolvable enigma. However, the chosen day and month for its occurence (22/11) is quite frankly all I need to know what sort of folks are behind it. I'm not into coincidence-theories.
THE SUN NEVER LIES
There' a very simple way to expose the ZAPRUDER 27second-long clip as fake/doctored:
As the clip starts, we have this frame:
source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=623JsZCgjm8
We then have this frame:
By the end of the ZAPRUDER clip, we have this frame - showing a (very oddly-shaped) RUNNING MAN:
Here's from another version of the ZAPRUDER film:
source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-6CWoSlCKs
THE FALLING "SPIDERMAN"
Then there are a few frames showing a falling man - in the backdrop:
A mere couple of frames later (at superspeed) he appears to be back up - crouching with his left leg firmly in control ! Wow!
Nonetheless, I rate the ZAPRUDER clip as a PsyOp masterpiece. It may be compared to a rock band's early iconic hit, an unsurpassable gem of inspiration (on the part of its plotters)... It certainly has achieved its intended purpose - to generate a zillion different theories for almost five decades - in such way upholding the myth of the disapperance of JFK as a baffling, irresolvable enigma. However, the chosen day and month for its occurence (22/11) is quite frankly all I need to know what sort of folks are behind it. I'm not into coincidence-theories.
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Just found this site. Some good points made I think on the fake Zapruder film.
http://assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/
Also note this frame from the Z film:
Jackie supposedly just embraced JFK after having the back of his head blown off and not a drop of blood evident on her white gloves, or anywhere else for that matter.
Also quite convenient that she wore pink, the same color as the fake blood spray added to the film.
http://assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/
Also note this frame from the Z film:
Jackie supposedly just embraced JFK after having the back of his head blown off and not a drop of blood evident on her white gloves, or anywhere else for that matter.
Also quite convenient that she wore pink, the same color as the fake blood spray added to the film.
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Cluesforum member Culto has sealed the deal, IMO.lux wrote:Just found this site. Some good points made I think on the fake Zapruder film.
http://assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/
Also note this frame from the Z film:
Jackie supposedly just embraced JFK after having the back of his head blown off and not a drop of blood evident on her white gloves, or anywhere else for that matter.
Also quite convenient that she wore pink, the same color as the fake blood spray added to the film.
http://letsrollforums.com/jfk-murder-st ... 23127.html
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^ Culto isn't a Cluesforum member as far as I can see, at least not under that name. Unless you now something I don't?
He/she makes good points regarding the JFK hoax. I don't mean to take anything away from his/her posts on the subject and I'm happy that this topic is beginning to pop up on other sites but I don't believe it's wise to think that anyone has "sealed the deal" on anything ... ever. There's always room for more research, more insight, etc on these psy-ops.
He/she makes good points regarding the JFK hoax. I don't mean to take anything away from his/her posts on the subject and I'm happy that this topic is beginning to pop up on other sites but I don't believe it's wise to think that anyone has "sealed the deal" on anything ... ever. There's always room for more research, more insight, etc on these psy-ops.
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Nobody relinquishes power willingly.
I think that this is true even if you're a puppet. So we can safely assume that, if the assassination of JFK was faked, it must have happened with the reluctant collaboration of JFK himself.
Stay with me on this one for a few more lines:
Let's assume JFK was told: either we take you out, or you pretend to be taken out and disappear to Argentina (or wherever) like Adolf Hitler.
Fine. Facing the possibility to be actually killed, the rich white boy would accept to fake his own death and disappear.
But then Culto makes assumptions in that thread that would require not only for JFK himself, but for his wife, aides and all to rehearse over and over the killing in order to make it look legit to... to whom? A planted cameraman, Zapruder, the only one who actually came back with some film?
Then they would have the film surface, clearly doctored, but not enough to cover up the errors, years and years later...?
Why rehearsing so hard to fake something that is not at all documented if not for one very suspicious tardy piece of film and a couple of "before" and "after" pictures?
I mean, everything is possible but if the killing has been faked and staged (requiring as I said to rehearse for it with fake blood cartridges and fake reactions of fear and fake dying and all), I think they would have profited from it much more extensively --or else they would have made it simpler (or a completely undocumented event, with no need for anyone to act out anything, especially not your VIP victim).
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Different idea: Maybe Zapruder's film is really fake, but just in the sense that it features actors (and not really JFK et al.), and was filmed later, maybe in some Hollywood studio, just to give some confusing, morbid material to the public and keep the psyop alive in occasion of a minority trial.
With this interpretation, at least I don't have to imagine JFK and wife rehearsing over and over for a mock-killing, which is something that really bothers me, because I don't think they would have subjected themselves to it.
I think that this is true even if you're a puppet. So we can safely assume that, if the assassination of JFK was faked, it must have happened with the reluctant collaboration of JFK himself.
Stay with me on this one for a few more lines:
Let's assume JFK was told: either we take you out, or you pretend to be taken out and disappear to Argentina (or wherever) like Adolf Hitler.
Fine. Facing the possibility to be actually killed, the rich white boy would accept to fake his own death and disappear.
But then Culto makes assumptions in that thread that would require not only for JFK himself, but for his wife, aides and all to rehearse over and over the killing in order to make it look legit to... to whom? A planted cameraman, Zapruder, the only one who actually came back with some film?
Then they would have the film surface, clearly doctored, but not enough to cover up the errors, years and years later...?
Why rehearsing so hard to fake something that is not at all documented if not for one very suspicious tardy piece of film and a couple of "before" and "after" pictures?
I mean, everything is possible but if the killing has been faked and staged (requiring as I said to rehearse for it with fake blood cartridges and fake reactions of fear and fake dying and all), I think they would have profited from it much more extensively --or else they would have made it simpler (or a completely undocumented event, with no need for anyone to act out anything, especially not your VIP victim).
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Different idea: Maybe Zapruder's film is really fake, but just in the sense that it features actors (and not really JFK et al.), and was filmed later, maybe in some Hollywood studio, just to give some confusing, morbid material to the public and keep the psyop alive in occasion of a minority trial.
With this interpretation, at least I don't have to imagine JFK and wife rehearsing over and over for a mock-killing, which is something that really bothers me, because I don't think they would have subjected themselves to it.
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In fact, Culto first published that same post (on July 21, 2010) on our old Reality Shack forum:pshea38 wrote: Cluesforum member Culto has sealed the deal, IMO.
http://letsrollforums.com/jfk-murder-st ... 23127.html (Sept 29, 2010)
http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... &p=2033718
As you can see, a few posts down in that page, I pretty much agree with Culto's observations.
I also agree with Nonho that it is most unlikely that JFK and Jackie rehearsed/acted this themselves, so I'd say that look-alike actors were used - if this is the manner the Zap clip was staged. I think it remains a possibility. This would, if anything, help explain the dreadful quality/blurriness of the Zapruder film. After all, that Bell & Howell wasn't such a crappy camera.
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A few things are indeed making a lot more sense wrt the JFK incident but a lot of *why*s are unanswered which makes it a bit more confusing, e.g Why were the families eliminated down the road (or were they?) and so many other whys.
It is getting easier to understand the fakery spotted in the zapruder film though. But perhaps the most easily acceptable portion of this whole thing has been lux's other thread "Was Oslwald Really Shot" http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1210 (locked for some reason).
It is getting easier to understand the fakery spotted in the zapruder film though. But perhaps the most easily acceptable portion of this whole thing has been lux's other thread "Was Oslwald Really Shot" http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1210 (locked for some reason).
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JFK & J could have really been in the car shown in the Z film but that car may not have really been in Dallas. Or, they could have used lookalikes. Or, both could be true.
I wonder why they used the obviously fake photo linked below? It was in all the news media at the time (it even appears in the wiki page on JFK assassination). It makes me suspect JFK wasn't even there.
Remember - the Z film wasn't available to the public until years after the "assassination."
Also, my suspicion is this ruse was planned before JFK was president. Logically speaking, it just seems most likely because the creation of the JFK image as a great leader was an essential part of the assassination psy-op. The media did such a good job of molding his public persona that even some critical thinking researchers today still think JFK was on the side of the people. I doubt that.
Someone also went to great lengths to create a long list of "coincidences" between JFK and Abe Lincoln, long regarded as the greatest historical president:
http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcoincidences.shtml
The inference being that some divine force was at work, adding to the mystique and idolatry of JFK. All part of the scam and most likely set up ahead of time in my opinion.
I wonder why they used the obviously fake photo linked below? It was in all the news media at the time (it even appears in the wiki page on JFK assassination). It makes me suspect JFK wasn't even there.
Remember - the Z film wasn't available to the public until years after the "assassination."
Also, my suspicion is this ruse was planned before JFK was president. Logically speaking, it just seems most likely because the creation of the JFK image as a great leader was an essential part of the assassination psy-op. The media did such a good job of molding his public persona that even some critical thinking researchers today still think JFK was on the side of the people. I doubt that.
Someone also went to great lengths to create a long list of "coincidences" between JFK and Abe Lincoln, long regarded as the greatest historical president:
http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcoincidences.shtml
The inference being that some divine force was at work, adding to the mystique and idolatry of JFK. All part of the scam and most likely set up ahead of time in my opinion.