Was Oswald really shot?

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Was Oswald really shot?

Postby lux on February 6th, 2012, 1:04 am

First, if you will, please bear with me as I point out some curious car horn honks. B)

Horn honks, gunman steps out and fires:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtsuXQYNVPQ

Did you hear the horn just before he steps out and shoots?

(In some clips of this scene available on YT the horn sound has been edited out but the horn is present in most of the ones I've seen.)

Here's a longer clip of the scene and in fact there are two horn blasts. Sequence starts at about 1:40:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n9VQ-dXrwQ

First a long then a short horn sound. Then he steps out and fires. Watch it again and imagine someone had said, "OK, the signal is one long horn means 'get ready' and one short horn means 'GO!'" Doesn't it look like just that?

Also notice that the press has suddenly ceased to fire questions at Oswald as he enters this scene which is quite in contrast to every other clip I could find that shows Oswald in the presence of the press. They were all over him with questions up to this point. But in this sequence only one reporter meekly asks one lame question just before the shooting, "Do you have anything to say in your defense?", which Oswald completely ignores.


Now we see Oswald on a stretcher after being "shot in the abdomen" but no sign of blood anywhere.
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From:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4go-IWExG8Q


Here, Oswald is wheeled to the ambulance. Still no signs of blood. Also no bandages, no oxygen, no medical personnel in attendance. The ambulance has someone in the passenger seat (a medical attendant, one would presume) but this person evidently does nothing to help Oswald as a couple of suits jump in the back with Oswald. (Idiot newsman calls him "Lee Harold Oswald")

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd42urNLGFQ


At about 4:00 in the video above they show the "shooting." Again we have the 2 horn sounds -- long and then short, followed immediately by the gunman doing his thing.

The following clip shows Oswald being unloaded from the ambulance at the hospital. Image suddenly gets very dark as the camera comes close on Oswald but parts of the white stretcher are visible and I still see no evidence of blood. He supposedly died of his wound about 1:15 after being "shot" and was treated at the same hospital where JFK was reportedly treated and by the same doctors.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xU7Lhd7Wwo

BTW, did anyone ever retrieve the bullet that supposedly killed Oswald? Wouldn't that be standard forensic procedure for ballistics purposes? (I couldn't find any info on that. I'm just asking)

Anyway, does this all look like Oswald was really shot? To me it just looks like a staged scene and yet another bloodless "shooting victim."
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby maggie on February 6th, 2012, 7:04 am

It sure looks fake. It wouldn't be surprising. Yeah, there's Lee Harvey Oswald clutching his gut with no spurt of blood then or anywhere thereafter.
I've never been able to fathom why Jack Ruby was such an outraged patriot to get involved with this.
Maybe Lee Harvey Oswald was spirited off to some nice place where he sipped martinis for the rest of his life for his role in faking the JFK murder.
I still think Jackie did it, according to this analysis, although I'm not a big proponent of the Zionist slant in this interpretation:
http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby bostonterrierowner on February 6th, 2012, 1:18 pm

Oswald is as real as Breivik most probably . Dude on the pictures is just an actor , I doubt that Perps had the CGI technology in their disposal , but who knows.... :)

Of course he wasn't shot .
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby pov603 on February 6th, 2012, 3:45 pm

It's interesting that John Peel [the deceased BBC/UK Radio One DJ famous for giving a lot of bands their 'start' on radio] was in Dallas at the time and was at one of the 'press conferences' with LHO.
Someone else had posted a clip which shows him there and has a radio link with him explaining what was going on ie why he was in USA at the time.
I'm only mentioning this because of the Stin(g)k/Police thread and the connection with fakery and the music industry/'stars'.
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby Heiwa on February 6th, 2012, 4:19 pm

Funny ambulance ... to say the least.
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby lux on February 6th, 2012, 6:56 pm

Some other points I found amusing about this clip -


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd42urNLGFQ

- [2:00] Just before the ambulance enters, the newsman says, "We can hear sirens outside ..." only we can't hear any sirens.

- {1:47} The newsman says, "No one knows at this time where Lee Harold Oswald is" but [at 2:20] the amblulance attendant grabs the stretcher, goes straight through the door and returns 20 seconds later with LHO laid out on the stretcher. And, of course, no signs of blood on LHO or the attendant. For not knowing where LHO was he sure found him fast! By the looks of it I'd say he was just inside that door.

- Just after LHO is put in the ambulance the newsman says they have to remove the armored car that is blocking the entrance but how did the ambulance get inside if the armored car was there?

- And why use an armored car at all? To protect Oswald from angry citizens? Then why announce to the world that they were moving him in the first place? And, why then put him in a station wagon car with windows all around after he'd been shot? Why not just use the armored car with a police escort?
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby fbenario on February 7th, 2012, 3:10 am

maggie wrote:I've never been able to fathom why Jack Ruby was such an outraged patriot to get involved with this.

How silly - he was neither outraged, nor a patriot.

Jack Ruby, aka Jacob Rubenstein, was a CIA bagman (assassin) with numerous prior killings to his name.
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby pov603 on February 7th, 2012, 8:18 am

Nice find with the news footage.

It struck me that did they have the technology to film/record 'on site' beam to the studio, have the studio record what they were receiving and then 'replay the video' as the Anchor claims?

When we first go to the place of the shooting at the 'news flash' so to speak, it is more or less the same scene ie to-ing-and-fro-ing of reporters, police, secret service presumably just after the shooting, which we then see the prelude of at the introduction by the News Anchor.

The floor is clean as a whistle [just like a studio] even though someone has just been shot and afterwards [almost comically] we see an older guy with a hat on smoking away just before LHO gets put into the Ambulance.

Presumably again, there would be plenty of 'nub-ends' lying around if smoking was allowed and was commonplace in the 60s.

With regard to the other News Reporter in the trenchcoat he is talking to another camera such that 'our' news reporter is having to crouch.

It would be interesting to see the news report that the 'trenchcoat' guy gave especially as we couldn't hear him on/in our shot.

Edit: spelling mistakes.
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby lux on February 7th, 2012, 4:21 pm

pov603 wrote:It struck me that did they have the technology to film/record 'on site' beam to the studio, have the studio record what they were receiving and then 'replay the video' as the Anchor claims?


I wonder about that too. This is what a video recorder looked like in the early 1960s:

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I doubt they had one of these on-site and they didn't have pro quality portable VTRs until about 1965-67.

I suppose the local CBS affiliate TV station could have recorded it in their Dallas station and played it back from there for broadcast.
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby SmokingGunII on February 7th, 2012, 4:29 pm

The horn sounds could definitely have been a cue for Ruby. In addition to other observations, what was that car doing there anyway when he should have been transferred in the armoured vehicle shown at the end of the clip?

Also, I know nothing about firearms, but wouldn't there be some kind of smoke residue from Ruby's gun?

One more thing: Is it usual for Jewish people not to use their real surnames on gravestones?
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby lux on February 7th, 2012, 4:56 pm

SmokingGunII wrote:Also, I know nothing about firearms, but wouldn't there be some kind of smoke residue from Ruby's gun?


Yes. Oswald was reportedly shot with this Colt Cobra .38 Special revolver with 2 inch barrel:
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These "snub nosed revolvers" spray quite a bit of flame and powder residue when fired because the bullet leaves the short barrel before the powder charge is finished burning. Oswald would likely have had powder burns on his clothing if he was really shot from such a close distance. You can see the barrel burst here:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfkcojDvAtI

They are also loud as hell, especially when fired in an enclosed place with no sound deadening like, for instance, an underground garage. It would have been painfully loud for anyone standing nearby.

I guess it's also lucky for the guy standing behind Oswald that the "bullet" didn't pass through his body too. :lol:
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby Kentrailer on February 11th, 2012, 5:59 pm


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd42urNLGFQ

Between 4:12 and 4:13 in this, when the shot is heard- after the two honks. the shot happens exactly at the same time the lights get turned on in the car.. didn't see it mentioned already.
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby lux on February 12th, 2012, 3:12 am

^ Yes, good catch.

I showed this video to a friend of mine who pointed out the incredibly lax security that is evident here. The fact that Oswald is in street clothes instead of prison overalls and with little physical restraint.
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby corsarino on February 12th, 2012, 11:09 pm

Lee Harwey Oswald was shot in abdomen.

Such a shot is not mortal!

If you decide to have an instant kill, you chooose a shot in the head or in the heart.

A shot in abdomen is recoverable,if the man is recovered in an hospistal.

I think it is a non realistic event.
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Re: Was Oswald really shot?

Postby Castacoldeye on March 21st, 2012, 11:29 pm

This is an interseting post and I would like to add a couple of items that trouble me.
Captain Fritz recorded in his so-called notes how Lee was cold and requested a sweater.
He was given a choice of two, he chose the black one . It was Lees choice. If you cant see blood on Lees white t-shirt, it his own fault apparantly. We are told he innocently picked a sweater whose colour prevented anyone being able to see blood. Possibly the most important suspect in a hundred years and this captain records this very minor detail while failing to record almost anything of substance.

I have looked at the sequence of events on video and the transfer seems to unfold like this....
1. Lee is to be moved ia an armoured car for everyones safety. When they go to back the vehicle down the ramp they find it is too big. So they abandon that idea. (Why could Lee not walk up the ramp?)
2. They remove the armoured car to allow the other car reverse down the ramp. They back it down and just as it arrives the horns honk and Lee is shot.
3. Out with the car and in with the ambulance, which arrives down the other ramp. When it goes to leave we find its path is obstructed by the armoured car again. They went and backed it in again? Why?
4 When the ambulance does leave it seems to be a different car arriving at Parkland. One has O'Neals written on the door and the other doesn't!

Just one other aspect at the mo., is the reaction of everyone after the 'shooting'.
The police move with speed and complete professionalism.... to block the camera!
You are supposed to have a lot of people reacting to an unforeseen event, yet a number of them seize Lee and remove him from sight. The number of people (2 -4?) who carry him around the corner don't have a discussion about should they move him? Or where to? Nobody says get a doctor or anything. There doesn't seem to be any doubt or panic on this issue. This small group of men act in unison, at speed and as one remove Lee in the bat of an eye.
But why remove him at all?
To get air?
Surely not in that open basement.
For dignity in death?
They wheel him out with his arm trailing along the floor right in front of the camera!
For medical attention?
I would say not.
It just smacks of being pre-planned, with Lee being complicit of course to make it work.
But that is another avenue....
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