V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

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V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Postby reichstag fireman on September 21st, 2012, 3:10 pm

Drawings of a "rocket" from a children's comic? What value as proof? Puhleeze! Turn the page and there's a lovely drawing of the Apollo LEM landing on the moon. Puhleeze! They fake one picture, they're going to fake the whole damn lot. Fool me once,...

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The Lunar Exploration Module from the Apollo Hoax
(official drawing from NASA)


The "Rocket" just like the Apollo Hoax is 100% fraud. Non-existent.

We should go right back to the genesis of the "Rocket Hoax" to confirm this. "Rocket Science" was purportedly born from the NAZI War Machine. The Nazi "enemy" being yet another swindle run, incidentally, from London by the British Crown and its bankers.

Let us re-visit the NAZI V-1 "Doodlebug". It was the first cruise missile, so they claim. Later, we are told, the NAZIs launched a second rocket generation, the V-2. That was the first ballistic missile, apparently.

Where are the blueprints for the V-1 and the V-2? Where can we paw over the engineering plans for these two horrific, but nevertheless incredible "rocket bombs" which nearly lost us the war ?

The V-1 and V-2 technology (if it existed) would be 80 years old now. Very old science then. No military secrecy to it now, surely? Even laymen like us should understand it. So, let's have the plans, please! And especially the plans for the guidance systems of the V-1 and V-2. They have always interested (since they best belie the Rocket Fraud).

Some 10,000 of Mister Hitler's 'targeted rocket bombs', it is claimed, rained down on cities across Britain between Oct 1942 and March 1945. Or so the Churchill government was keen on claiming. The "rocket bombs" were purportedly fired from the Cherbourg Peninsula, the Pas de Calais and Ijmuiden in the Netherlands. Or so the Churchill government was keen on claiming.

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On distance alone, that's quite some feat. One V-1 rocket allegedly struck with clinical precision an ordnance plant in Small Heath, Birmingham. At least 200 miles from its alleged launch site on the Continent. The precision of modern GPS in the 1940s? Phenomenal!

Purportedly some "rockets" even reached Kingston upon Hull and Liverpool. Some 300 miles from continental Europe!

BBC War Propagandist, George Orwell worked hard to prop up the Rocket Myth. Yet Orwell came close in 1984 to telling the truth when writing: "The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, 'just to keep people frightened'.

In reality, not one V1 and V2 "rocket" was fired at all! They were nothing more than a lurid PSYOP run by the twisted mind-benders at the Tavistock Institute!

Yet many (honest) people, to this day, claim to have heard the menacing signature tune of the missiles, albeit late at night and from deep underground in an Air Raid Shelter. Apparently, as the V-1 and the V-2 neared their targets, witnesses recall a characteristic piercing wheeze of a noise. Then there was a brief chilling pause of silence. And then a final change in tone as the evil (fake) contraption supposedly adjusted its last bearing for its deadly descent.

So what was making those frightening sounds? Certainly not a genuine "rocket bomb" ! Perhaps ground-based noise generators run by agents of His Majesty's Government? Or was the Crown really firing a noisy aerial weapon at the British people "just to keep them frightened"?

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! *distant thud*
"Okay, ladies and gents! It's safe to crawl from your shelters now. Air raid's over! Jerry and his Doodlebug missed us this time. Thank Gawd!"
"Oh, whew, spiffing work, Harris! That bugger sounded frightfully close! I thought we all were a gawner!"


The NAZIs V-1 and the V-2 "rocket bombs" were total vapourware. There was no NAZI "rocket science". With no rocket technology to transfer, there was no "Project Paperclip" to absorb the science of "rocketry" after the War. Ergo, the "rockets" of today, from the likes of NASA and other grand thieves of public finance, are 100% fake, too.

A few fake pics from the Liverpool Echo, just "to keep the Scousers frightened" (and mindlessly waving the Union Jack in celebration of "Victory in Europe" seventy years ago)

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V-1 Doodlebug Rocket Bomb (artist's impression, *snigger*)

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"Luftwaffe preparing a V-1 for launch"

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"V-1 missile diving onto a residential area of London"
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby Andrew1484 on September 22nd, 2012, 8:59 am

reichstag fireman wrote:Yet many (honest) people, to this day, claim to have heard the menacing signature tune of the missiles, albeit late at night and from deep underground in an Air Raid Shelter. Apparently, as the V-1 and the V-2 neared their targets, witnesses recall a characteristic piercing wheeze of a noise. Then there was a brief chilling pause of silence. And then a final change in tone as the evil (fake) contraption supposedly adjusted its last bearing for its deadly descent.


Wonderful example of an argument to deny everything ---- and as the WW2 generation of humans living in England dies off, nobody (as an eyewitness) will be left alive to try to counter it. Well done!

The V1 apparently made a loud racket as it flew over the UK, before the pulse jet engine stopped and then it fell relatively silently out of the sky. The V2 was reportedly silent before it hit, because it would have been supersonic at that point in time.

Missile guidance was never claimed to be anything but crude guesswork. If either type of weapon hit anything important that was just a lucky "coincidence" for the Germans pointing the things at England. But very well done in creating an argument based on false historical data ---- garbage in and garbage out.
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V1 and V2 rockets - WW2: another hoax?

Postby reichstag fireman on September 22nd, 2012, 5:16 pm

The request to see the engineering blueprints for the (non-existent) NAZI "rocket" technology was facetious. :P

Though, no signs of any plans, Andrew1984?! Are we surprised?! :rolleyes:

There are no V-1/V-2 blueprints, and never were, of course. Since there were no NAZI "rocket bombs" :rolleyes:

The NAZI "rocket bombs" were just another trauma-inducing hoax cooked up by the Tavistock Institute in London.

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The Tavistock Institute of Mind-Benders was founded in 1921 by Brigadier-General John Rawlings Rees. From his Psychological Warfare Bureau, Rawlings Rees commanded a large troupe of "Shock" Psychiatrists.

Here's the real eye-opener: the Tavistock has only ever had one enemy: the British!

And so it is the Tavistock which must take credit as the real masterminds of the mythical NAZI "Rocket Bomb"!

This is what BBC War Propagandist, George Orwell, was itching to write in his book 1984:
the rocket bombs said to be falling daily on London were just a Hoax conjured up by the Tavistock, to keep people frightened!


In truth, the NAZIs knew as much about "rocket science" as NASA does today: i.e. absolutely nothing! :lol:

Next June, the Rocket Hoax will be 80 years old. How will you and yours be celebrating the fraud, Andrew1984?! :lol:

What about arranging a charity firework display? A chance to shoot some real rockets into the sky.
A chance to give something back to the victims who unwittingly bankroll your grotesque swindling, Andrew1984 :)

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Postby Andrew1484 on September 22nd, 2012, 7:27 pm

reichstag fireman wrote:I (facetiously) asked to see the engineering blueprints for the (non-existent) NAZI "rocket" technology.
But you cannot help? No surprise in that. There are no V-1/V-2 blueprints, of course. Since there were no NAZI "rocket bombs" :rolleyes:


I can see your stated point of view. But I was born in the UK and my parents were in the RAF during WW2, so I have a different point of view from yours. My point of view is that fighter pilots in the RAF (like my father) were indeed tasked with shooting down V1 ram jet missiles and one fighter pilot even reported that he had had a go at shooting at a V2 as it took off. It fortunately did not blow up in his face.

Your story is full of seriously misleading naughtiness such as "One V-1 rocket allegedly struck with clinical precision an ordnance plant in Small Heath, Birmingham. At least 200 miles from its alleged launch site on the Continent. The precision of modern GPS in the 1940s? Phenomenal!" as though any target that small would ever have been deliberately targeted by any crude fire & forget missiles during WW2. The V1 ram-jet pilotless drone would have been set to run out of fuel at a rough distance from launch and then crash, so with no "clinical precision" whatsoever! If you were being intellectually "honest" then you would know that. You might be intentionally dishonest of course. The internet is positively crawling with Khazarian style dishonesty and with disciples of the infamous Cass Sunstein, attempting crude and rather silly cognitive infiltration techniques.

You also said: "Yet many (honest) people, to this day, claim to have heard the menacing signature tune of the missiles, albeit late at night and from deep underground in an Air Raid Shelter. Apparently, as the V-1 and the V-2 neared their targets, witnesses recall a characteristic piercing wheeze of a noise. Then there was a brief chilling pause of silence. And then a final change in tone as the evil (fake) contraption supposedly adjusted its last bearing for its deadly descent."

OK, well I have never heard this weird and fanciful story before, so perhaps you can tell us where it came from. Of course if it only came out of your own imagination, you probably will not want to tell us where it came from.

reichstag fireman wrote:The NAZI "rocket bombs" were just a fantasy creation from Lord Tavistock's Psychological Warfare Unit of Twisted Mind-Benders.


Well I am quite sure that British Freemasonry, the Tavistock creeps, the Zionist lunatics, the Fabian Society, Common Purpose, DEMOS, the BBC brainwashers etc. are all guilty of a lot of absurd propaganda bullshit. But I still have to doubt your interesting theory that Germany was incapable of making a couple of fairly crude weapon systems like the V1 and V2 during WW2. The problem with too much suggested nihilism, like yours, is that it can apparently lead your kind of mind rather too far down the wrong rabbit holes. Unless of course you are just yet another disciple of Cass Sunstein! In which case you will no doubt continue to want to have some Discordian style (Operation Mind-F__k) fun with the dumb-ass sub-human goyim sheeple!

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Postby Andrew1484 on September 22nd, 2012, 7:41 pm

reichstag fireman wrote:The request to see the engineering blueprints for the (non-existent) NAZI "rocket" technology was facetious. :P

Though, no signs of any plans, Andrew1984?! Are we surprised?! :rolleyes:

There are no V-1/V-2 blueprints, and never were, of course. Since there were no NAZI "rocket bombs" :rolleyes:

The NAZI "rocket bombs" were just another trauma-inducing hoax cooked up by the Tavistock Institute in London.

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During WWII, the Tavistock Institute of Mind-Benders, ran a Psychological Warfare Bureau commanded by Brigadier-General John Rawlings Rees, and his troupe of "Shock" Psychiatrists.

Here's the real eye-opener: the Tavistock has only ever had one enemy: the British!

And so it is the Tavistock which must take credit as the real masterminds of the mythical NAZI "Rocket Bomb"!

This is what BBC War Propagandist, George Orwell, was itching to write in his book 1984:
"the rocket bombs said to be falling daily on London were just a Hoax conjured up by the Tavistock, to keep people frightened!


George Orwell, 1984: "In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, " just to keep people frightened ". This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him. She also stirred a sort of envy in him by telling him that during the Two Minutes Hate her great difficulty was to avoid bursting out laughing. But she only questioned the teachings of the Party when they in some way touched upon her own life. Often she was ready to accept the official mythology, simply because the difference between truth and falsehood did not seem important to her. She believed, for instance, having learnt it at school, that the Party had invented aeroplanes. (In his own schooldays, Winston remembered, in the late fifties, it was only the helicopter that the Party claimed to have invented; a dozen years later, when Julia was at school, it was already claiming the aeroplane; one generation more, and it would be claiming the steam engine.) And when he told her that aeroplanes had been in existence before he was born and long before the Revolution, the fact struck her as totally uninteresting. After all, what did it matter who had invented aeroplanes? It was rather more of a shock to him when he discovered from some chance remark that she did not remember that Oceania, four years ago, had been at war with Eastasia and at peace with Eurasia. It was true that she regarded the whole war as a sham: but apparently she had not even noticed that the name of the enemy had changed. " I thought we'd always been at war with Eurasia ", she said vaguely. It frightened him a little. The invention of aeroplanes dated from long before her birth, but the switchover in the war had happened only four years ago, well after she was grown up. He argued with her about it for perhaps a quarter of an hour. In the end he succeeded in forcing her memory back until she did dimly recall that at one time Eastasia and not Eurasia had been the enemy. But the issue still struck her as unimportant. " Who cares? " she said impatiently." It's always one bloody war after another, and one knows the news is all lies anyway."

So the Tavistock psychopaths were also involved in hoaxing the Germans and French about the V1?
Boy they did a really good job! Full marks, Tavistock! :rolleyes:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffjdgVU_RMQ
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Postby Andrew1484 on September 22nd, 2012, 8:08 pm

reichstag fireman wrote:Where are the blueprints for the V-1 and the V-2? Where can we paw over the engineering plans for these two horrific, but nevertheless incredible "rocket bombs" which nearly lost us the war ?

The V-1 and V-2 technology (if it existed) would be 80 years old now. Very old science then. No military secrecy to it now, surely? Even laymen like us should understand it. So, let's have the plans, please! And especially the plans for the guidance systems of the V-1 and V-2. They have always interested (since they best belie the Rocket Fraud).


The German blueprint plans might have (should have) been destroyed in 1945. Any surviving plans might have gone to the evil communist USSR and the evil fascist USA, after WW2. Not everything that exists or has ever existed is on the internet --- and loathsomely evil regimes like the fascist USA don't apparently publish blueprints of their post-WW2 copies of the V1 either, like their JB-2.

Oh sorry Tavistock obviously runs all of the propaganda that comes out of the USA as well. :rolleyes:
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full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skLTMziYQow

And Tavistock ran all of the German Nazi Party Propaganda during WW2.

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEhWYqaX5gE
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Postby reichstag fireman on September 22nd, 2012, 10:46 pm

Amazing War Balls! But what has this thread become?! A venue for willy-waving about our kith-and-kin, and their faux feats of fantasy?! A self-indulgent celebration of our lineage of deceit?!
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby kervik on September 23rd, 2012, 1:17 am

reichstag fireman wrote:Amazing War Balls! But what has this thread become?! A venue for willy-waving about our kith-and-kin, and their faux feats of fantasy?! A self-indulgent celebration of our lineage of deceit?!


Agreed.
One of the questions that I have had for about the last 5 years is what now?
How do we expose the scientific fraud(Moon Hoaxes, et al) which is rife in our society?

And even if it is exposed what can be done?
Here are some of the main reasons that I think that NASA withholds the truth.
- Some people might kill themselves. Seriously. Once you tell them that we are hundreds of years from Space Exploration they just might lose it. I don't believe in God or anything, but it seems to me that some people have chosen Ufology and Astronomy/Space Exploration as their religion.
- Lawsuits for tax dollars used towards fraudulent missions. I could really see people taking advantage of this kind of thing.
- Funding for science and space exploration would stop or be severely decreased.

The only thing that makes me happy is it looks like people are FINALLY starting to wake up.
I guarantee you that when we are still testing Spacecrafts in the 2020s and 2030s people will be asking questions.
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Postby reichstag fireman on September 23rd, 2012, 2:36 am

Andrew1484 wrote:
Reichstag Fireman wrote:Image
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Oh sorry Tavistock obviously runs all of the propaganda that comes out of the USA as well

In 1979, an estimate of the penetration of the "Tavistock Network" in the USA was made:
Executive Intelligence Review wrote:Image


From: http://wlym.com/~oakland/brutish/Aquarian.pdf :
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Re:

Postby Andrew1484 on September 23rd, 2012, 7:43 am

reichstag fireman wrote:Amazing War Balls! But what has this thread become?! A venue for willy-waving about our kith-and-kin, and their faux feats of fantasy?! A self-indulgent celebration of our lineage of deceit?!


You quoted Orwell earlier without apparently comprehending what he was really getting at, when you screw with history in the the way that you do. OK, so you allegedly think that the crude V1 pilotless drone, with a crude kind of jet engine, was not invented in WW2. Your departure from conventional and what we might call "normal ways of looking at the world" goes exactly how far? The jet engine was not invented in the 1940s either? So when was the jet engine invented, or has it yet still to be invented? Is a jet engine impossible technology? Is human flight in aeroplanes possible at all? Are those things that we think that can see flying up in the sky all figments of our imagination? Are people hypnotised into thinking that they are flying in jet aircraft if they go to an airport and they are actually taken different places by sailing ships instead? Or are they "really" taken nowhere at all and their brainwashing by Tavistock mind control experts only makes them think they are taken somewhere? Are they really floating in a sensory deprivation tank with a Matrix type plug in the backs of their heads? Was WW2 an actual war? Perhaps WW2 never happened?


"Whoever controls the image and information of the past determines what and how future generations will think; whoever controls the information and images of the present determines how those same people will view the past." George Orwell, 1984

George Orwell, 1984: "In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, " just to keep people frightened ". This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him. She also stirred a sort of envy in him by telling him that during the Two Minutes Hate her great difficulty was to avoid bursting out laughing. But she only questioned the teachings of the Party when they in some way touched upon her own life. Often she was ready to accept the official mythology, simply because the difference between truth and falsehood did not seem important to her. She believed, for instance, having learnt it at school, that the Party had invented aeroplanes. (In his own schooldays, Winston remembered, in the late fifties, it was only the helicopter that the Party claimed to have invented; a dozen years later, when Julia was at school, it was already claiming the aeroplane; one generation more, and it would be claiming the steam engine.) And when he told her that aeroplanes had been in existence before he was born and long before the Revolution, the fact struck her as totally uninteresting. After all, what did it matter who had invented aeroplanes? It was rather more of a shock to him when he discovered from some chance remark that she did not remember that Oceania, four years ago, had been at war with Eastasia and at peace with Eurasia. It was true that she regarded the whole war as a sham: but apparently she had not even noticed that the name of the enemy had changed. " I thought we'd always been at war with Eurasia ", she said vaguely. It frightened him a little. The invention of aeroplanes dated from long before her birth, but the switchover in the war had happened only four years ago, well after she was grown up. He argued with her about it for perhaps a quarter of an hour. In the end he succeeded in forcing her memory back until she did dimly recall that at one time Eastasia and not Eurasia had been the enemy. But the issue still struck her as unimportant. " Who cares? " she said impatiently." It's always one bloody war after another, and one knows the news is all lies anyway."
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby Andrew1484 on September 23rd, 2012, 8:59 am

kervik wrote:
reichstag fireman wrote:Amazing War Balls! But what has this thread become?! A venue for willy-waving about our kith-and-kin, and their faux feats of fantasy?! A self-indulgent celebration of our lineage of deceit?!


Agreed.
One of the questions that I have had for about the last 5 years is what now?
How do we expose the scientific fraud(Moon Hoaxes, et al) which is rife in our society?

And even if it is exposed what can be done?
Here are some of the main reasons that I think that NASA withholds the truth.
- Some people might kill themselves. Seriously. Once you tell them that we are hundreds of years from Space Exploration they just might lose it. I don't believe in God or anything, but it seems to me that some people have chosen Ufology and Astronomy/Space Exploration as their religion.
- Lawsuits for tax dollars used towards fraudulent missions. I could really see people taking advantage of this kind of thing.
- Funding for science and space exploration would stop or be severely decreased.

The only thing that makes me happy is it looks like people are FINALLY starting to wake up.
I guarantee you that when we are still testing Spacecrafts in the 2020s and 2030s people will be asking questions.


Kervik if you are going to agree with the Reichstag Fireman then I fear that he is going to lead you astray.

I don't want you, necessarily, to agree with me either about things like crude V1 jet-powered missiles really working in WW2, but please do try to think for yourself.

Try to remember the "Allegory of the Cave by Plato" that you should have been taught back in school. If you were not taught this allegory in YOUR school then perhaps you should ask: "WHY were you not taught it?"

The Reichstag Fireman will try to trap you in the cave, by talking about the shadows dancing on the walls. If you know that they are only shadows, and what the Reichstag Fireman entity is (and why he is here, mischievously doing what he does) then all is well and good. If you don't know that they are only shadows that he is talking about, then please turn your head and see the light --- and the way to the light!
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The Loneliness of Enlightenment
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NASA is just a business to make money. They had to fake going to the moon because it was impossible to go in reality, still is. Most people could handle the truth but there is no profit for NASA in telling them the truth. NASA could produce more TV and movie space frauds in the 2020s and 2030s and they could be much better quality, high-definition space frauds than their Apollo rubbish. Most people will not really "wake up" though, unless we can achieve a global human paradigm shift. Most people will still be trapped in the cave, with the likes of the Reichstag Fireman, discussing the merits of the pictures dancing on the wall and what they really mean.
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Postby Andrew1484 on September 23rd, 2012, 1:27 pm

reichstag fireman wrote:
Andrew1484 wrote:
Reichstag Fireman wrote:Image
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Oh sorry Tavistock obviously runs all of the propaganda that comes out of the USA as well

In 1979, an estimate of the penetration of the "Tavistock Network" in the USA was made:
Executive Intelligence Review wrote:Image


From: http://wlym.com/~oakland/brutish/Aquarian.pdf :


OK so we British Tavistock trained Mind Controllers are currently screwing with the minds of our American goyim colonial serfs.

Well, after all, we recaptured the USA into the British Imperial Global Empire in 1913, with the Federal Reserve scam.

Actually we British were screwing with the minds of our American colonial serfs right after the 1913 financial coup, when we converted the US branded sheeple serfs from hating Britain and loving Germany to hating Germany and loving Britain, in the few years between 1913 and 1917, when we made these dumb, stupid, animals (goyim serfs) join WW1 on the side of the British Empire against Germany.

We also secured the backing of the International Khazarian Zionists with the Balfour Declaration of 1917.

Our secret agent, the Hofjuden Khazar Edward Bernays, nephew of the Khazar Sigmund Freud, helped us with the propaganda necessary to brainwash the dumb-ass US branded goyim serfs to convert from hating the British, to hating the Germans instead.

So, what-cha-goin'-todo-bout-it! Ha, ha!
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"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organised habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government, which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are moulded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organised. Vast numbers of human beings must co-operate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ... In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons ... who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind." Khazar Edward Bernays (nephew of Khazar Sigmund Freud).

Military men are "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy. - Khazar Henry A. Kissinger in front of Alexander Haig, newly appointed White House chief of staff, in Haig's new office in 1973. "The Final Days" Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein.

WWI and the Rise of the “Great Manipulators”
http://archive.mises.org/15193/wwi-and- ... ipulators/

“[Edward] Bernays’s greatest opportunity came with the outbreak of the first world war. President Woodrow Wilson realised the government needed to bring on board the many doubters who saw it as a capitalists’ war that their country should shun. Bernays and other leading PR men were recruited to a new Committee on Public Information (CPI), a vast propaganda operation. They were to put into practice one of Bernays’s main findings from the studies of mass psychology by Uncle Sigmund and others: that the public’s first impulse is usually to follow a trusted leader rather than consider the facts for itself.

In small towns across the country the CPI recruited bank managers and other local authority-figures as “four-minute men”. They gave brief, supposedly impromptu, speeches in cinemas and other public places. Many made the bogus claims that antiwar sentiment was being fomented by German agents, and that America risked being overrun by Prussians.

So successful was the CPI in shaping public opinion that it encouraged the early PR men, Bernays especially, to puff themselves up to new heights of grandeur. No longer would they be mere lackeys of the robber barons; they were now the Great Manipulators, shapers of public opinion for the public’s own good. (…)

All sorts of outfits have discovered the power of persuasion. Charities, trade unions, protest groups and other anti-corporate organisations create stunts and “facts” as powerful, and sometimes as dubious, as those staged by Bernays’s minions. A masterful recent example is a Greenpeace video in which an office worker opens a KitKat and finds an orangutan’s finger inside—the intention being to press Nestlé, the chocolate bar’s maker, to stop buying palm oil from places where the ape’s native forests are being cut down. Such anti-corporate PR often goes curiously unnoticed by historians of the industry, but it is at least as manipulative as what companies get up to.”
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another hoax?

Postby Alfie on September 23rd, 2012, 1:52 pm

I was going to reply but the internet is more polite than I had reckoned for, there is nothing to cut and paste like you do. To which I could reply to you in the manner you deserve!

Ctrl C, Ctrl C, Ctrl C, Ctrl C - Con Troll See!
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby simonshack on September 24th, 2012, 4:26 pm

Andrew1484 wrote:
OK, so you allegedly think that the crude V1 pilotless drone, with a crude kind of jet engine, was not invented in WW2. Your departure from conventional and what we might call "normal ways of looking at the world" goes exactly how far? The jet engine was not invented in the 1940s either? So when was the jet engine invented, or has it yet still to be invented?


Let's look at it from another perspective, Andrew. In any case, this V-1/ V-2 topic has nothing to do with 'the invention of jet engines' and no one here, as far as I can see, is questioning the same. This topic is about an infamous deadly weapon allegedly used in WW2, the reality/truthfullness of which one may reasonably question as being part of the massive bulk of WW2 propaganda we've all grown accustomed to - the existence of which I don't think anyone can deny. In this light, I would say that questioning any suspected elements of war propaganda is very much a "normal (and rational) way at looking at the world".

Now - and just to make a general point : what came first? Motion pictures or (jet-propelled) airplanes?

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Well, although the Wright bros and the Lumière bros were comtemporaries, the latter beat the former by several years (1895 - first motion picture screening - versus the Wright bros first flight in 1903). However, and more to the point, the maiden flight of the first jet engine (a crude contraption which could only stay aloft for max 10 minutes) took place almost four decades later, with the Heinkel He 178 - in 1939. Of course, only a handful of years later, we are told that Germany launched a total of 9521 V-1 "flying bomb" rockets (with an operational range of 250km) over to Great Britain, "successfully" killing more than 22,000 civilians. With this in mind - and viewed from a perfectly rational, real world perspective - I would say that there is room to question/review the official V-1 narrative as printed in our history books. On the other hand, we may reasonably assume that those four decades allowed plenty of time for the motion picture techniques (and related trickeries) to evolve.

Anyhow, and just for the record, here's a snippet about the (inglorious) debut demonstration of the first jet-engined aircraft:
"Heinkel had developed the turbojet engine and the testbed aircraft, the Heinkel 178, in great secrecy. They were kept secret even from the German air force and the Reichsluftfahrtministerium. On 1 November 1939, after the German victory in Poland, Heinkel arranged a demonstration of the jet to officials. Herman Goering, commander in chief of the German air force, didn't even show up. Ernst Udet and Erhard Milch watched the aircraft perform, but were unimpressed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178


I'll stop here for now, without jumping to any hasty conclusions as to the veracity or not of the V-1/V-2 terror weapons - although I'd like to submit another curious /remarkable tidbit of 'historical war info' closely related to this jet-propelled machine. I just happened to bump into it - and it frankly stretches my belief levels a weeny bit...

As the (hi)story goes, in the summer of 1944 a manned version of the V-1 missile (code-named "REICHENBERG") was developed, to be piloted by a suicide squadron named the "Leonidas squadron". The project was backed by a famous lady test pilot, Hanna Reitsch, who allegedly tested the manned suicide missile contraption - and even "experienced several crashes from which she survived unscathed"...

ImageHanna Reitsch - and the "Reichenberg" manned suicide missile...
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Read all about it in the below wonkypedia links - it's well worth the laugh - unless you happen to have a distant cousin/uncle among the alleged 70 German volunteers who applied to fly these suicide weapons of mass destruction ! :P


"The Fieseler Fi 103R, code-named Reichenberg, was a late-World War II German manned version of the V-1 flying bomb (more correctly known as the Fieseler Fi 103) produced for attacks in which the pilot was likely to be killed (...)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieseler_F ... henberg%29

"Over 70 volunteers, mostly young recruits, came forward; they were required to sign a declaration which said, "I hereby voluntarily apply to be enrolled in the suicide group as part of a human glider-bomb. I fully understand that employment in this capacity will entail my own death."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonidas_Squadron

"The film Operation Crossbow began a popular myth that early guidance and stabilisation problems with the V-1 flying bomb were solved during a daring test flight by Hanna Reitsch in a V-1 modified for manned operation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanna_Reitsch
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another hoax?

Postby lux on September 24th, 2012, 4:54 pm

Andrew1484 wrote:
Wonderful example of an argument to deny everything ----

... very well done in creating an argument based on false historical data ---- garbage in and garbage out.


Andrew1484 wrote:Your story is full of seriously misleading naughtiness ...

If you were being intellectually "honest" then you would know that. You might be intentionally dishonest of course. The internet is positively crawling with Khazarian style dishonesty and with disciples of the infamous Cass Sunstein, attempting crude and rather silly cognitive infiltration techniques. ...


OK, well I have never heard this weird and fanciful story before, so perhaps you can tell us where it came from. Of course if it only came out of your own imagination, you probably will not want to tell us where it came from.

But I still have to doubt your interesting theory that Germany was incapable of making a couple of fairly crude weapon systems like the V1 and V2 during WW2. The problem with too much suggested nihilism, like yours, is that it can apparently lead your kind of mind rather too far down the wrong rabbit holes. Unless of course you are just yet another disciple of Cass Sunstein! In which case you will no doubt continue to want to have some Discordian style (Operation Mind-F__k) fun with the dumb-ass sub-human goyim sheeple!




Andrew1484 wrote:
You quoted Orwell earlier without apparently comprehending what he was really getting at, when you screw with history in the the way that you do. ...

OK, so you allegedly think that the crude V1 pilotless drone, with a crude kind of jet engine, was not invented in WW2. Your departure from conventional and what we might call "normal ways of looking at the world" goes exactly how far? The jet engine was not invented in the 1940s either? So when was the jet engine invented, or has it yet still to be invented? Is a jet engine impossible technology? Is human flight in aeroplanes possible at all? Are those things that we think that can see flying up in the sky all figments of our imagination? Are people hypnotised into thinking that they are flying in jet aircraft if they go to an airport and they are actually taken different places by sailing ships instead? Or are they "really" taken nowhere at all and their brainwashing by Tavistock mind control experts only makes them think they are taken somewhere? Are they really floating in a sensory deprivation tank with a Matrix type plug in the backs of their heads? Was WW2 an actual war? Perhaps WW2 never happened?


Andrew1484 wrote:Kervik if you are going to agree with the Reichstag Fireman then I fear that he is going to lead you astray.

... please do try to think for yourself.

The Reichstag Fireman will try to trap you in the cave, by talking about the shadows dancing on the walls. If you know that they are only shadows, and what the Reichstag Fireman entity is (and why he is here, mischievously doing what he does) then all is well and good. If you don't know that they are only shadows that he is talking about, then please turn your head and see the light --- and the way to the light!

Most people will still be trapped in the cave, with the likes of the Reichstag Fireman, discussing the merits of the pictures dancing on the wall and what they really mean.


The above quoted excerpts from Andrew1484 (in this thread alone) include only his snide and arrogant insults directed at forum member(s) and do not include the voluminous unsupported and opinionated drivel that he/she has polluted this forum with (on this and other threads) since arriving here.

Just trying to keep score.
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