V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another hoax?

Postby reichstag fireman on September 24th, 2012, 6:50 pm

lux wrote:The above quoted excerpts from Andrew1484 (in this thread alone) include only his snide and arrogant insults directed at forum member(s) and do not include the voluminous unsupported and opinionated drivel that he/she has polluted this forum with (on this and other threads) since arriving here.

Just trying to keep score.


Not to mention the veiled threat that we're all naive for doubting there were VERY real 911 Tewwowists and VERY real 911 Tewwowist Victims! viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1324&p=2375587#p2375543

Even more annoying than a mosquito at bedtime!

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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby Andrew1484 on September 24th, 2012, 9:51 pm

simonshack wrote:
"The Fieseler Fi 103R, code-named Reichenberg, was a late-World War II German manned version of the V-1 flying bomb (more correctly known as the Fieseler Fi 103) produced for attacks in which the pilot was likely to be killed (...)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieseler_F ... henberg%29

"Over 70 volunteers, mostly young recruits, came forward; they were required to sign a declaration which said, "I hereby voluntarily apply to be enrolled in the suicide group as part of a human glider-bomb. I fully understand that employment in this capacity will entail my own death."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonidas_Squadron



Are you suggesting that it is somehow difficult to mind program humans to "volunteer" for suicidal missions?

The Japanese allegedly had a similar suicidal brainwashing program going during WW2.
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another hoax?

Postby Andrew1484 on September 24th, 2012, 9:58 pm

lux wrote:The above quoted excerpts from Andrew1484 (in this thread alone)


Quoted out of context. It had been alleged, for example, that a V1 had accurately hit something on purpose. Also that eyewitnesses had alleged hearing weird stuff with no evidence to support that these suggestions were real.
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another hoax?

Postby Andrew1484 on September 24th, 2012, 10:11 pm

reichstag fireman wrote:Not to mention the veiled threat that we're all naive for doubting there were VERY real 911 Tewwowists


Are you now suggesting that the false flag terrorist attack of 9/11, which by definition must have been carried out by terrorists, was not real and never happened, so there were no "real terrorists" responsible for 9/11? Did not the 3 towers explode on 9/11? I doubt all of the 4 plane bullshit, but at least I thought that we might agree that the 3 towers blew up.

I never thought that anybody doubted that the 9/11 terrorism was carried out by some very real terrorists, from somewhere!

What "veiled threat" are you talking about?
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another hoax?

Postby lux on September 24th, 2012, 10:16 pm

Andrew1484 wrote:
Quoted out of context.


Please show us how "context" would change the meaning of these critical comments of yours (which I pointed out earlier) and, if the meanings aren't what they appear to be, than what are the real meanings of:

"Your story is full of seriously misleading naughtiness ..."

"OK, well I have never heard this weird and fanciful story before, so perhaps you can tell us where it came from. Of course if it only came out of your own imagination, you probably will not want to tell us where it came from."

"You quoted Orwell earlier without apparently comprehending what he was really getting at, when you screw with history in the the way that you do. ..."

"if you are going to agree with the Reichstag Fireman then I fear that he is going to lead you astray."

"... please do try to think for yourself. "

" Reichstag Fireman will try to trap you in the cave, by talking about the shadows dancing on the walls. "
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another hoax?

Postby lux on September 24th, 2012, 10:20 pm

Andrew1484 wrote:Are you now suggesting that the false flag terrorist attack of 9/11, which by definition must have been carried out by terrorists, was not real and never happened, so there were no "real terrorists" responsible for 9/11? Did not the 3 towers explode on 9/11? I doubt all of the 4 plane bullshit, but at least I thought that we might agree that the 3 towers blew up.

I never thought that anybody doubted that the 9/11 terrorism was carried out by some very real terrorists, from somewhere!



Have you read any of this forum's threads about 9/11? Have you seen the September Clues film?
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby Andrew1484 on September 24th, 2012, 10:41 pm

simonshack wrote:Let's look at it from another perspective, Andrew. In any case, this V-1/ V-2 topic has nothing to do with 'the invention of jet engines' and no one here, as far as I can see, is questioning the same. This topic is about an infamous deadly weapon allegedly used in WW2, the reality/truthfullness of which one may reasonably question as being part of the massive bulk of WW2 propaganda we've all grown accustomed to - the existence of which I don't think anyone can deny. In this light, I would say that questioning any suspected elements of war propaganda is very much a "normal (and rational) way at looking at the world".
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However, and more to the point, the maiden flight of the first jet engine (a crude contraption which could only stay aloft for max 10 minutes) took place almost four decades later, with the Heinkel He 178 - in 1939. Of course, only a handful of years later, we are told that Germany launched a total of 9521 V-1 "flying bomb" rockets (with an operational range of 250km) over to Great Britain, "successfully" killing more than 22,000 civilians. With this in mind - and viewed from a perfectly rational, real world perspective - I would say that there is room to question/review the official V-1 narrative as printed in our history books.


The problem I originally had was with somebody saying things like the V1 had demonstrated the accuracy of modern GPS during WW2, which in my opinion has absolutely nothing to do with truthfulness and everything to do with gross dishonesty. Or saying people heard weird stuff without supplying any evidence for the claim.

The V1 killing 22,000 civilians sounds highly implausible to me. It was (yes I think it existed) a highly inaccurate and crude weapon and I thought that most of them were either shot down or fell short in Kent, because turned German spies were feeding the Germans misleading crap like the weapons were overshooting London, so the Germans reduced the range, which led to them falling short.
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another hoax?

Postby Andrew1484 on September 24th, 2012, 11:06 pm

lux wrote:
Andrew1484 wrote:Are you now suggesting that the false flag terrorist attack of 9/11, which by definition must have been carried out by terrorists, was not real and never happened, so there were no "real terrorists" responsible for 9/11? Did not the 3 towers explode on 9/11? I doubt all of the 4 plane bullshit, but at least I thought that we might agree that the 3 towers blew up.

I never thought that anybody doubted that the 9/11 terrorism was carried out by some very real terrorists, from somewhere!



Have you read any of this forum's threads about 9/11? Have you seen the September Clues film?


Yes I have seen that film and many other films about 9/11. The event of 9/11 was clearly highly sophisticated state sponsored TERRORISM, probably carried out by agents of the very worst, war criminal, mass murdering, terrorist regime on the planet. I think it unlikely that a foreign bunch of terrorists were significantly involved. Although the Zionist entity of "Khazaristan" appears to have been doing something pretty weird on 9/11. I regard Mr Atta as an unfortunate CIA sponsored patsy --- and the CIA is, of course, anyway a state sponsored terrorist organisation.

The purpose of terrorism is to induce terror in the common masses, shock and awe, and to stop them thinking rationally. It obviously worked.

The purpose of the mind-control specialists is to muddy the waters and to get people distracted. That is obviously working too.
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Re: Re:

Postby reichstag fireman on September 24th, 2012, 11:16 pm

Andrew1484 wrote:when you screw with history in the way that you do.

That is a very bizarre world-view. Is "Official History" somehow sacrosanct? An untouchable institution? A priceless orthodoxy we must never question, never challenge? Who would want such a History, in which only Anointed Priests have the privilege to touch the Sacred Narrative? Tough luck! History is for everyone. It's one of life's freebies that any of us can correct whenever we damn well please.

Back to that very simple open query, though..

What sort of ground-based noise generator available in the 1940s could simulate the (supposed) sound of a "V1 rocket" falling on the metropolis?
What device could create such a piercing, screeching sound to convince so many people that a NAZI "rocket bomb" was hurtling at them?
Is it time to re-evaluate the role of the A.R.P. in WWII? (The A.R.P. was the Air Raid Precautions Dept of His Majesty's Government).
A.R.P. Troopers sent shivers through entire communities with their blood-curdling sirens, and their 4 minute warnings of impending doom from NAZI aerial bombardment.
But was the A.R.P. really such a benevolent unit of paramilitaries?
Were its real duties those of safeguarding British lives from NAZI bombardment?
Or was the A.R.P., in truth, yet another battalion of Tavistock-controlled "shock" troopers?
Troopers whose unspeakably evil top-brass quite deliberately terrorised their own countrymen for power and profit?
Perhaps even to the extent of faking the menacing sounds of non-existent falling "rocket bombs"?

P.S. Andrew, since you're obviously finding this thread very uncomfortable (being of solid British military stock), maybe it's not one for you. In fact, maybe the forum itself isn't really your cup of tea, old chap!
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another hoax?

Postby lux on September 25th, 2012, 2:10 am

Andrew1484 wrote:
Yes I have seen that film and many other films about 9/11. The event of 9/11 was clearly highly sophisticated state sponsored TERRORISM, probably carried out by agents of the very worst, war criminal, mass murdering, terrorist regime on the planet. I think it unlikely that a foreign bunch of terrorists were significantly involved. Although the Zionist entity of "Khazaristan" appears to have been doing something pretty weird on 9/11. I regard Mr Atta as an unfortunate CIA sponsored patsy --- and the CIA is, of course, anyway a state sponsored terrorist organisation.



Are you aware that the research and views expressed on this forum conclude that "the events of 9/11" were a media hoax and that no planes were involved and no one was killed? That the photography and motion picture footage of the event are fake? That most or all the "victims" never existed and that the "victim's family members" are simply actors?
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Postby reichstag fireman on September 25th, 2012, 3:36 am

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Launching of the V-1

I dunno. Not persuaded me quite just yet ;)

  • Limp and lifeless foliage superimposed to bound the frame.
  • Unlikely camera panning.
  • If it were real, you'd calculate the launch trajectory in advance, and use a fixed camera position :rolleyes:
  • What idiot would try and manually pan on a real 440 km/h "rocket"?!
  • Very jerky panning it is, too - just as if it's separate frame sequences badly botched together :rolleyes:
  • Fortuitous clouds of smoke obscure "the rocket" in more than half the 261 video frames.
  • Love the wing tips on fire! That bird is HOT!
  • With the smoke finally cleared, the "rocket" is all but gone. Just three white dots to see of it! (wings still ablaze tho'!)
  • The sound track is pathetic. Not even fit for one of those cheesy WWII movies on Saturday morning BBC2
  • And what's with the silly spinny dial thing? Or is it a Pulse Jet Pressure Regulation Relief Valve Concentrator Gauge? :rolleyes:
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another hoax?

Postby Andrew1484 on September 25th, 2012, 6:28 am

lux wrote:
Andrew1484 wrote:Yes I have seen that film and many other films about 9/11. The event of 9/11 was clearly highly sophisticated state sponsored TERRORISM, probably carried out by agents of the very worst, war criminal, mass murdering, terrorist regime on the planet. I think it unlikely that a foreign bunch of terrorists were significantly involved. Although the Zionist entity of "Khazaristan" appears to have been doing something pretty weird on 9/11. I regard Mr Atta as an unfortunate CIA sponsored patsy --- and the CIA is, of course, anyway a state sponsored terrorist organisation.


Are you aware that the research and views expressed on this forum conclude that "the events of 9/11" were a media hoax and that no planes were involved and no one was killed? That the photography and motion picture footage of the event are fake? That most or all the "victims" never existed and that the "victim's family members" are simply actors?


Thank you very much Lux for so neatly summarising the prevailing “group-think” (hive mind, quasi-religious cult) “conclusion” of this forum. I am so sorry that I have evidently irritated you so much and that I have obviously appeared to you (an apparently very serious minded disciple of the forum) as some kind of dangerous “maverick” or “heretic” that requires dealing with (angrily and somewhat humourlessly) to protect the sanctity of this SC forum conclusion and group-think.

By all means I would agree with your forum conclusion that the 9/11 event was a terrorist media extravaganza and a “pageant” event along the lines of the amusing “Wag the Dog” movie.

I have no problem with the whole aeroplanes business being bogus. At first I was only sure that the advertised AA77 and UA93 events stank of complete fraud and that perhaps UAV drones or missiles of some sort were used in the AA11 and UA175 events. I am not even sure of that now. But I was never really that interested in this “Operation Northwoods” aspect of the aeroplane fraud. It makes perfect sense to me that the non-existent aeroplane passengers and crews would and must have been vic-sims.

I still think that WTC1 & 2 were blown up on 9/11 in explosive, top-down, sequential demolitions. Probably done that way for safety (to reduce the risk of them toppling over) and to lighten the load falling on the bathtub area, to reduce the risk of cracking the bathtub and of causing a flood. Later that day I think that WTC7 was blown up in a more conventional implosive demolition. I suspect that Jennings and Hess were just bloody lucky that WTC7 was not destroyed at the same time as WTC1, when that building probably “should have been” destroyed.

If the 9/11 terrorists (presumably “American branded” terrorists) managed to destroy all three buildings on 9/11 without killing and sacrificing even one American victim, as their evil pretext for a global war of terrorism to murder millions of muslims “in revenge for 9/11” then of course that would tend to remove the very last shred of sympathy and empathy that the world might feel for the USA over 9/11. It would be such an unforgivable act of evil racist thinking (that “American” branded sheeple must be preserved from “collateral damage” death and harm, at all costs, yet innocent “foreigners” could be slaughtered whilst laughing about it, as in the “Collateral Murder” video) I doubt that the world would or could forgive the USA for decades, if ever.

I don’t know if you have done a study on the Pentagon auditors and Office of Naval Intelligence officers or not ---- (as potential vic-sims) who were allegedly targeted and whacked by the coup faction, allegedly for being on the wrong team (for trying to work for the USA, rather than against it).

I am very interested that your forum is trying to propagate this extraordinarily dark, emotionally horrific, sinister and somewhat dangerous point of view, that there were Zero American branded victims on 9/11. That the USA (as a country and as a population, not just the US regime) has become that depraved and the that the USA and her people should therefore be shunned, by the entire globe, as that extraordinarily evil, racist and depraved.

I would like to see some kind of truth and reconciliation process happen, so that the USA could be forgiven for the crime of 9/11. However if there were absolutely no American collateral damage victims on 9/11, I would worry that it will make forgiving the USA for 9/11 --- and the global genocidal war that followed --- much more difficult.

Those of us who know that 9/11 was a false flag event are all, in a way, foot-soldiers in a global information and propaganda war, if we are trying to inform others of our findings. A war for hearts and minds that we should hope (if we turn to the light and to love) will not turn even more bloody and dark and fear-filled than it has already. If your forum conclusion is correct, then I fear that any “9/11 truth and reconciliation for the USA” will have moved even further away, which would make me feel sad.

I would hope that kind of effect is not a planned intention of the dark niche that your forum presents in the spectrum of ideas concerning 9/11.
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Re: Re:

Postby Andrew1484 on September 25th, 2012, 6:45 am

reichstag fireman wrote:
Andrew1484 wrote:You quoted Orwell earlier without apparently comprehending what he was really getting at, when you screw with history in the the way that you do.

That is a very bizarre world-view. Is "Official History" somehow sacrosanct? An untouchable institution? A priceless orthodoxy we must never question, never challenge? Who would want such a History, in which only Anointed Priests have the privilege to touch the Sacred Narrative? Tough luck! History is for everyone. It's one of life's freebies that any of us can correct whenever we damn well please.


OK. But you were being rather disingenuous when you suggested that GPS accuracy was implausibly achieved by the V1 for example. "One V-1 rocket allegedly struck with clinical precision an ordnance plant in Small Heath, Birmingham. At least 200 miles from its alleged launch site on the Continent. The precision of modern GPS in the 1940s? Phenomenal!"

Plus you still have not told us which "honest" people have reported this, to this day: "Yet many (honest) people, to this day, claim to have heard the menacing signature tune of the missiles, albeit late at night and from deep underground in an Air Raid Shelter. Apparently, as the V-1 and the V-2 neared their targets, witnesses recall a characteristic piercing wheeze of a noise. Then there was a brief chilling pause of silence. And then a final change in tone as the evil (fake) contraption supposedly adjusted its last bearing for its deadly descent."

As explained before, the doodlebug V1 jet was never reported to have made such a noise and the V2 could not possibly have made a noise, as its speed would have been supersonic on the final dive and thus the impact explosion would have been without any sound warning at all.

You might more plausibly claim that the V2 explosions could have been a hoax and false flag terrorism because there was no noise or warning!

reichstag fireman wrote:Back to that very simple open query, though..

What sort of ground-based noise generator available in the 1940s could simulate the (supposed) sound of a "V1 rocket" falling on the metropolis?
What device could create such a piercing, screeching sound to convince so many people that a NAZI "rocket bomb" was hurtling at them?


The V1 made a burbling doodlebug noise and you could see it up above you. If it stopped making a noise that was when you worried and took cover. It did not make a screeching sound as it crashed. Unlike German dive bombers that did that to create additional fear in their victims.

reichstag fireman wrote:Is it time to re-evaluate the role of the A.R.P. in WWII? (The A.R.P. was the Air Raid Precautions Dept of His Majesty's Government).
A.R.P. Troopers sent shivers through entire communities with their blood-curdling sirens, and their 4 minute warnings of impending doom from NAZI aerial bombardment.
But was the A.R.P. really such a benevolent unit of paramilitaries?
Were its real duties those of safeguarding British lives from NAZI bombardment?
Or was the A.R.P., in truth, yet another battalion of Tavistock-controlled "shock" troopers?
Troopers whose unspeakably evil top-brass quite deliberately terrorised their own countrymen for power and profit?
Perhaps even to the extent of faking the menacing sounds of non-existent falling "rocket bombs"?

P.S. Andrew, since you're obviously finding this thread very uncomfortable (being of solid British military stock), maybe it's not one for you. In fact, maybe the forum itself isn't really your cup of tea, old chap!


I just don't think that your theoretical V1 false flag terrorism of the British common masses was required during WW2. They would have been just as happy to continue fighting Germany if no V1 jets were falling out of the sky.

More importantly I think that we should wonder why such obviously genuine false flag terrorism was inflicted on the British on 7/7.
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby Andrew1484 on September 25th, 2012, 11:49 am

simonshack wrote:As the (hi)story goes, in the summer of 1944 a manned version of the V-1 missile (code-named "REICHENBERG") was developed, to be piloted by a suicide squadron named the "Leonidas squadron". The project was backed by a famous lady test pilot, Hanna Reitsch, who allegedly tested the manned suicide missile contraption - and even "experienced several crashes from which she survived unscathed"...

ImageHanna Reitsch - and the "Reichenberg" manned suicide missile...
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The WW2 story also goes that in Japan there was a rocket powered piloted guided bomb called the Ohka (cherry blossom) Kamikaze (Divine Wind) suicide aircraft. The Americans reportedly called it the Bakka flying bomb (Bakka = stupid in Japanese). You could probably make a case that the bogus "9/11 Kamikaze pilot story" was made somewhat more plausible to the American public by the constant repetition of WW2 stories, on the hypnotic TV, like the ones about the Japanese allegedly attacking the US invasion fleet with suicide pilots.
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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Postby antipodean on September 25th, 2012, 12:12 pm

This is becoming quite interesting.
Was Operation Paper clip, also a hoax to make space travel skeptics think, aha ! space travel inside rockets must exist if it's a result of Nazi technology hijacked by NASA.
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