THE NUKE HOAX

Global War deceptions & mass manipulation, fear-mongering terror schemes and propaganda in the Age of the Bomb
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I couldn't help but burst into laughter at the "carrying their eyeballs" bit.

Thanks Simon!

One question (amongst many one could ask) would be how could this individual have been 'inside' a 248db soundwave & yet have perfectly fine hearing? Nor remember hearing any sound... except the cries of the dying? She therefore, based on her own testimony, did not even have ruptured ear drums yet IIRC that's loud enough to kill.

It is simply a ludicrous story... it's quite appropriate (if somewhat disappointing for John) that a python was there.

A question for any 'scholars' out there... where are the deaf people of Hiroshima & Nagasaki (or for that matter the 6000+ wounded of 9/11)?

I suppose nobody has bothered to create them yet.

More of these 'survivors' & 'eyewitnesses'...

The Japanese Historian & survivor of Hiroshima who dedicated his life to honoring the US military!

He pops up regularly...

Film tells story of Lowell POW killed in Hiroshima
Frechette's planning to use the money to make another trip to Japan, to conduct a second interview with Shigeaki Mori, whose story intersects powerfully with Brissette's.

Mori was just 8 when the bombing rocked his city.

He spent the decades after that tracking down the 12 American POWs who died in the bombing, including Brissette, and working to get their names added to the official list of victims of the bombing, alongside tens of thousands of Japanese.
The true story of an American POW on the ground in Hiroshima on August 6, 1945, and the Japanese man who has fought for his legacy.
My research uncovered many details about what Mr. Mori had done for these Americans. His personal sacrifice for them. And I had to know why. He saw the effects of that bomb firsthand, and what it did to his friends and family. It would take a very special person to look past all that. We were the enemy. What would drive this man to spend so much time and effort to recognize them? To reach out to their families and provide comfort. And often closure.
Hiroshima historian returns fragments of shot-down bomber to loved ones in U.S.
The homecoming of the fragments was made possible after more than three decades of dedicated research by Shigeaki Mori, 70, a Hiroshima historian and a survivor of the U.S. atomic bomb that incinerated his city. He has devoted himself to honoring Americans who died in his hometown.
Nagasaki memorial adds British POW as A-bomb victim
Shigeaki Mori, a 68-year-old historian in Hiroshima, came across Shaw’s record while doing research on American POWs who were killed in the bombing.

Shaw was captured after his plane was shot down by Japanese forces near the island of Java in what is now Indonesia, and was sent to a prison camp in Nagasaki, where he died in the atomic bombing, according to Mori.

Mori said he was contacted by Shaw’s relatives after several British newspapers reported on his research in May. Until then, the family did not know Shaw died in the atomic bombing, he said.
Historian tells of Americans POWs killed at Hiroshima
Hiroshima’s mayor adds names to the official atomic bomb memorial book each year, Mori said. It lists approximately 222,000 known victims. In 2002, approval was granted to add two of the U.S. POWs: Staff Sgt. Ralph Neal and Petty Officer 3rd Class Norman Brissette. Mori said he hopes to get permission to add a third, Staff Sgt. Charles O. Baumgartner.

“I believe those up there (spirits of victims) will appreciate your prayers offered to them,” Mori told the audience.
Memorial For U.S. POWs at site of Chugoku Kempei-Tai HQ at Hiroshima
Installed in 1999, by the efforts and personal funds of Hiroshima resident, and A-bomb survivor, Shigeaki Mori. At least 12 American POWs were killed in the atomic bomb blast, while being held at the Kempei-Tai (miltary police) HQ, near the hypocenter. These POWs were from the crews of four American aircraft that went down in the area. Today, the former HQ, today an office building.

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I photographed Shigeaki Mori in the beautifully kept Commonwealth War Cemetery, in Yokohama, beside a plaque bearing Corporal Shaw’s name. As I stood nearby, Mori-san was lost in thought, then slowly he dropped to his knees to pray.
Quite a few good stories in that last article including another silly 'double A-bomb' survivor...

'I saw both of the bombs and lived'
The modest Mrs Sadamaru refuses to be photographed, but did permit pictures of her Red Cross cap 'because I'm proud I was a nurse'.
Other 'US victims' of Hiroshima...

Hidden History: American POWS Were Killed in Hiroshima
One of the captured Americans recalled the “spooky ride” to Ujina: no houses standing, nothing moving, not even a dog, and the policeman yelling, “One bomb! One bomb!”

Along the way they came across two more American prisoners: a navy aviator and an Air Force sergeant. They were suffering from nausea, with green liquid dripping from their mouths and ears. Held in Hiroshima when the bomb hit, they had survived by jumping into a cesspool. Clearly, they were suffering from radiation disease, but no one at the time knew anything about it.
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Obviously the Nuke footage available to us nowadays has been 'improved' somewhat...

Atomic Bomb Test Video From 1953 Looks Like A Model But Is Terrifyingly Real
It's real. It looks like a model or some sort of CGI trick but it is utterly and terrifyingly real.

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dflLFFZcZ0w

Myself I prefer the historical footage. I'm assuming I'm not alone in having problems with this...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_-GADXyKrE

... awful destruction sequences & the piss poor composite background job.

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Hilarious claims here...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VERAYuKqm4o
Windows rattled three hundred miles away twenty minutes after the blast, an airline pilot one thousand miles away saw the flash
.. though I have no idea what's going on with the Trench sequence & the 'cloudy mist thing'.

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Oh & here's 'proof' that the Nuke tests of Operation Ranger could be seen in Nevada...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afydKHcfd8c

... at least the photo is convincing I suppose.

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The not so secret H-bomb

According to the official story; the worlds first H-bomb was detonated in 1952... these weapons are alleged to have given the US military a massive increase in 'nuclear firepower' & an important advantage over their Soviet 'opponents'.

Surely the development of this weapon was a carefully kept military secret? Particularly so during this paranoid 'Cold War' era with its alleged communist infiltrators & spies?

Wiki certainly seems to suggest this...
The concept of the thermonuclear weapon was first developed and used in 1952 and has since been employed by most of the world's nuclear weapons.
Another wiki article also appears guarded on the subject...
When the Soviet Union exploded their own atomic bomb (dubbed "Joe 1" by the U.S.) in 1949, it caught Western analysts off guard, and President Harry S. Truman ordered a crash program to develop a hydrogen bomb in early 1950. Many scientists returned to Los Alamos to work on the "Super" program, but the initial attempts still seemed highly unworkable. In the "classical Super", it was thought that the heat alone from the fission bomb would be used to ignite the fusion material, but this proved to be impossible. For a while, many scientists thought (and many hoped) that the weapon itself would be impossible to construct.
Anyway here's a 1950(!) British news story about the H bomb being developed in 'closely guarded' US labs & how a politician called David E. Lilienthal publicly 'resigned' in protest at their development.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foC9SkuAzcI

A development announced by President Truman in January of that year following a New York Times article!
On January 18th a long article about the new weapon appeared in the New York Times. On January 29th Senator Tom Connally, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he thought the US should proceed with the hydrogen bomb, to help to keep peace in the world like the atomic bomb before it. Senator McMahon issued a statement next day that the matter of the hydrogen bomb was 'under continuous investigation and consideration'. On January 31st Truman announced that, in accordance with his responsibility to see that the country was able to defend itself against any possible aggressor, he had directed the Atomic Energy Commission 'to continue with its work on all forms of atomic energy weapons, including the so-called hydrogen or super-bomb'.
It's surprising how open a 'secret arms race' can be!



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Wikipedia is again quite coy about the alleged reasons behind Lilienthal's 'resignation'...
Lilienthal was appointed as chair of the AEC on October 28, 1946 and served until February 15, 1950
Lilienthal resigned from the Atomic Energy Commission in 1950.
... and the 33rd Presidents role...
He quickly had to come to terms with the end of the American nuclear monopoly; with information provided by its espionage networks in the U.S., the Soviet Union's atomic bomb project progressed much faster than had been expected, and they detonated their first bomb on August 29, 1949. In response, on January 7, 1953, Truman announced the detonation of the first U.S. hydrogen bomb.
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Good stuff as always CM.

I am also in the habit of watching old newsreels and Pathe is my favorite.

Funny thing is I now get to enjoy the Pathe reels in an entirely new context since I was kindly informed by the interwebs just the other day that Pathe was another of Joe Kennedy's M&A playthings in the 20s.

http://www.ldrb.ca/pages/books/3567/jos ... p-kennedys

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/books ... .html?_r=0

https://www.moma.org/momaorg/shared/pdf ... 7.pdf?2010

Newsreels like the following now seem, let's just say, a bit less poignant... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_3U4J3YrS4 ... less poignant; but a shit-ton more perverse I reckon.
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I was watching a youtube video about an old fart that was really proud of his days as a snitch working for army counter-intelligence and of his service to the nation by escorting the "product" from Oak Ridge to Los Alamos... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK0Sj0rLd_A

I thought he would be another of your basic nuke hustlers, but it turns out he's the dude on the left... http://www.wafflehouse.com/our-story

If you've ever been intoxicated and hungry in the middle of the night anywhere in the southeastern U.S. there's a good chance that you've been to one of Tom's iconic establishments.

Interesting places Waffle Houses are... http://gawker.com/the-story-of-the-450- ... us-5992463
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It seems we are to believe that Joe Kennedy hired Fritz Duquesne as a publicity agent when he was in the moving picture business; and why wouldn't he since Fritz came up with the idea for "lake cow bacon"...

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/foo ... n-cuisine/

Fritz is also the inspiration for the most gloriously absurd wiki page I have ever read...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Joubert_Duquesne

Fritz is also the star of this newsreel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9OWfd--Dng

... because he was purportedly the mastermind behind this dastardly spy ring...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duquesne_Spy_Ring

Which was the inspiration for The House on 92nd St., a propaganda piece in which the g-men got to play themselves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-BwyzbF7E4
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smj wrote:I was kindly informed by the interwebs just the other day that Pathe was another of Joe Kennedy's M&A playthings in the 20s.
He who controls the past, controls the future?

Joe Kennedy*, Waffle House & Hippo's... three things I wouldn't expect to be in the Nuke thread! You really are a treasure trove of information smj!

Similarly I'm really quite enjoy Alex Wellerstein's ('The Nuclear Historian') twitter account... he too is a treasure trove.

Here's How Many 'Super Nukes' American Scientists Thought It Would Take To Destroy The World In 1945

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The *official* name of the technical stockroom at the Trinity test was "Fubar."

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Gunmen kill 5 nuclear engineers in Syrian capital

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This early November story involves the assassination of unnamed 'Nuclear Engineers' in Syria(?)... there has never been any follow up to the story.



* Old Joe apparently was nearly blown up by the Wall Street bombing of 1920
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Once again I must give a hat tip to Alex Wellerstein the hilarious 'Nuke Historian' responsible for 'serious' 'scientific' stories like this...

Is bottled beer nuclear bombproof? Story of the U.S dropping nukes on beer
"Immediate taste tests indicated that the beverages, both beer and soft drinks, were still of commercial quality, although there was evidence of a slight flavor change in some of the products exposed at 1,270 feet from Ground Zero."The most blasted beers were "definitely off."
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Alex is also helping push promos by a group responsible for a 'scientific' novel called...

Cutting Too Deep: The Obama Administration’s Proposals for Nuclear Security Spending Reductions

... a novel which calls for 'extra spending' on Nuclear security.


This novel was written by 'scientists'...

Matthew Bunn (aka the author of 'Preventing a Nuclear 9/11' )
THE ESSENTIAL FACTS

The facts that frame the danger of nuclear terrorism are stark:

Terrorists want the bomb.

Osama bin Laden has called the acquisition of nuclear weapons a “religious duty,” and has repeatedly attempted to purchase nuclear material for a bomb and to recruit nuclear expertise— including meeting with two senior Pakistani nuclear scientists to discuss nuclear weapons.

No Manhattan project required
Nickolas Roth (aka the author of Tenth Anniversary of Global Threat Reduction Initiative
September 11, 2001 convinced decision-makers in Washington that terrorists were capable of carrying out catastrophic attacks on the United States. The idea that an individual or group could make a bomb from nuclear or radiological material was no longer just an outlandish scenario, but a realistic threat that needed to be addressed.
William H. Tobey

An 'expert' in Nukes & wall street banking... and somebody who appears to have been dragged into the SEC scandal

Here's a promo of Roth & Bunn...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRk_a9nmgxE

You can read the 'opinions' of all three of these 'scientists' at the New York Times.
In his closing statement at the Nuclear Security Summit in The Hague, President Obama said, “It is important for us not to relax, but rather accelerate our efforts over the next two years,” before the next such meeting. He was right. His budgets must match his words.
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Interesting viewing from a programming point of view... Special Bulletin a 1983 atomic War of the Worlds.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKY-2zkWJuo

Directed by E.Zwick of 'The Siege' fame
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It is accepted by historians that during the night of the Hiroshima event the USAAF had 605 conventionally armed B29's in the air (although 494 is the more commonly quoted figure)...
During the night of August 5–6, Japanese early warning radar detected the approach of numerous American aircraft headed for the southern part of Japan. Radar detected 65 bombers headed for Saga, 102 bound for Maebashi, 261 en route to Nishinomiya, 111 headed for Ube and 66 bound for Imabari.
Presumably then these bombers (or a significant fraction of them) would be the most likely alternative candidates for actually causing the destruction of up to "4.4 square miles (11 square km)" of that city.

What about Nagasaki?

Well thanks to Alex Wellersteins article on 'The luck of Kokura' I learned that there had officially been a large major raid launched the day before the Nagasaki event too...
On August 8th, 1945, the 20th AF had sent 221 B-29s to the nearby city of Yahata (Yawata) to drop incendiary bombs.
The weather at Yahata had been 4/10 clouds over the target, but this didn’t matter for B-29 firebombing raids, because accuracy was not as big a concern as with the atomic bombs. The planes had arrived at Yahata around noontime. I’ve found very little in terms of documentation about how much of Yahata was burned out with this raid — perhaps because it was so late in the war, many of the traditional sources for information about incendiary bombing results (especially those contained on the invaluable website JapanAirRaids.org) essentially omit any discussion of this final big raid.
Japanairraids.org actually states there were 245 B29's (with another 98 on top of that) in the air the day before...
8.8.1945 245 B-29's airborne, incendiary attack on city of Yawata. Kerr, 1991
8.8.1945 98 B-29's airborne, incendiary attack on city of Fukuyama Kerr, 1991
8.9.1945 Nuclear attack of city of Nagasaki.
Even more interesting Alex notes that some of the residents appear to have had little knowledge that they had been heavily firebombed that day!
Note that this isn’t quite the same thing — this is someone in Yahata who was burning coal tar after hearing an air raid drill, and the smoke going downwind (east) to Kokura. I find it a little odd that the worker in question doesn’t mention that Yahata itself was firebombed less than a day before he decided to do this.
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So how heavily was Yahata/Yawata bombed the day before Nagasaki?

Allegedly quite heavily...
The third raid was conducted on 8 August 1945 and resulted in 21 percent of Yawata's urban area being destroyed.
The only photo I can find is this one; dated October 1945...
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... the thing is that during this 1946 flyover of Yawata it doesn't really appear to be particularly badly damaged...

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full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWIn-90-9yE

And the steel mill itself appears to have still been in use...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1IJz5_3_Ew

There are scenes of further damage here... although that film is edited more than the flyby.

Either way officially there were 343 B29's in the air the day before Nagasaki was allegedly 'nuked'.

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Interestingly 10 of the survivors of the Yawata raid are alleged to have become POW's who witnessed the destruction of Hiroshima although there is some confusion over how they were shot down...
The plane seemed to have become a victim of flak. 2/Lt. George F. KELLER (A/C) bailed out, but chute did not open and was killed. Ten crewmembers, 2/Lt. Walter R. ROSS, 2/Lt. Stanley H. LIVINE, 2/Lt. Carleton M. HOLDEN, 2/Lt. Eugene V. J. CARRELL, M/Sgt. Selby L. FOWLER, Sgt. Martin L. ZAFPE, Sgt. Gerald J. BLAKE, Sgt. Robert M. CONLEY, Sgt. Christas NIKITAS and Sgt. Traver HERMAN, bailed out and landed in the sea.

On Aug. 14, while they were drifting in rubber rafts, a fishing boat rescued them off Takashima, Kamate-mura, Mino-gun (present Masuda-shi), Shimane-ken, and took them to Ohama beach. On Aug. 15, when they were on their way from Masuda railway station to Yamaguchi Kempei Tai, the war was over. After they were sent to Chugoku Kempei Tai HQ on Aug. 16, they were moved to Mukai-jima branch of Hiroshima POW Camp, whence returned to the US in September.

Walter R. ROSS revisited Hiroshima in 1983 and published a book “Courage Beyond The Blindfold - The Last POWs of WW2” in 1995.
Shortly before 1200 hours, 221 B-29's drop incendiaries on Yawata destroying 1.22 square miles or 21% of the city; six B-29's bomb alternate targets. One B-29 is shot down by Japanese fighters and 3 are lost to mechanical reasons.
But then disaster struck. Fighters almost disabled our plane, but we were able to make it out to sea before we had to abandon the aircraft.
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It is often claimed nowadays that Las Vegas became a bustling atomic tourist town during the 'atomic era'. Stories like these here are common...
Atomic Tourism

The Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce issued a calendar for tourists, listing the scheduled times of the bomb detonations and the best places to view them. The Sky Room at the Desert Inn, offering a panoramic view of the Nevada horizon, was a favorite watch spot of tourists, as was nearby Mount Charleston. Many tourists packed "atomic box lunches" and had picnics as close to ground zero as the government restrictions would allow. On the eve of detonations, many Las Vegas businesses held "Dawn Bomb Parties." Beginning at midnight, guests would drink and sing until the flash of the bomb lit up the night sky.
Such claims make the idea of an 'Atomic bomb hoax' simply ludicrous.

The problem for 'Nuke believers' however is that these claims appear to be entirely 'modern'. 'Backdated' creations with no substance. For instance...

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If such claims were true we should be treated with large numbers of civilian photo's, films & witnesses over many decades. Instead I can find only a few such images. Here they are...

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... and the similar...

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Many seem 'modern'... the second pic for instance appears to only arrive on the internet this year. Although Angel girl is possibly from a 1953 Parade article...

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The last two pics are most commonly alleged to be from the 37kt Priscilla test from 65 miles away.

Either way I cannot find the quantity of imagery one would imagine if claims of Atomic tourism were true.

What about eyewitness accounts of still living civilians?

Well with eyewitness accounts like those of Todd Bazurto here...

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... one has to seriously question their reliability when the last possible test they could have witnessed was the 'Little Feller I' test of 1962. A test that took place FIVE YEARS BEFORE Todd was born!

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Well at least we always have the trustworthy 1950's media!

Here's a Chicago Tribune article on the 14kt Charlie test of 30 October 1951...
Here is what it looks like to see such a blast as today s from an elevation of 8,000 feet on Mount Charleston:

A white flash as round and large as the sun strikes the eyes with an impact almost blinding. Then the white ball contracts and red streaks appear. A smaller red ball glows at the center. It seems to rise, and suddenly bursts open again.

A tower of gray fissioned smoke rises into the air, climbs to a height of perhaps 3,000 feet and bulges out into a mushroom of royal purple. At the base of the column a large gray cloud spreads out. It is reminiscent of one of those old flower stands with a bowl of violets on top.

Eight minutes go by. The mushroom pushes. higher and higher and turns white on top. The whiteness is probably from condensation of carbon dioxide particles and it appears that the top cloud has become a snow cloud. A small white ice cap forms a halo above the cloud,

Ten minutes pass and there comes a wondrous transforma- tion. The white top cloud is al- most separated from the grayish brown column and it develops ridges like the seams on a baseball. The seams thrust out to reveal the interior of the cloud which is a baby pink. The pink glows softly thru the white, fleecy coating.

Tile white cloud finally breaks away from its column and all the pink becomes one big splotch. Finally the cloud becomes just like any other cloud and trails .
And here's the imagery from 65 miles away...

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Very convincing I'm sure you'll all agree.

Here's the movie for those interested.

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A Hat tip, as always, to Alex Wellerstein for teaching me about Google Ngram in his article here
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Regarding a yt link posted by Critical Mass on another topic but relating to Hiroshima, the narrator of the surviving 'victim' (who looks remarkably good considering their age (12 at the time of time of the bomb) and the fact that they tried to 'stare the bomb down' and miraculously saw the flash unblinded) goes on about the black rain that followed. This has also been used in a Hollywood movie with Michael Douglas entitled black rain. My point is do any of the 'tests' in Nevada ever mention such rain after the respective explosions? Presupposing that a 'nuke' would create its own peculiar conditions, would it be that tptb would state the arid conditions of Nevada prevented this occurrence?
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pov603 wrote:My point is do any of the 'tests' in Nevada ever mention such rain after the respective explosions?
The link you mention, for those interested, is this...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqqfERQDcag

As for the 'black rain' I haven't found any specific reference to it in terms of Nevada.

The majority of the Nevada 'atomic tests' fall out is alleged to have fallen on St. George, Utah.

Here's the peer reviewed paper.

Oh & as for who wrote it... well that would be Carl J. Johnson.

I'm sure Nuke believers have no issue with him being a Colonel... not that they'd even have bothered to check on such a thing.


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Not seeing your bonus pic, Critical Mass.
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