Navy Seals Team 6 killed in helicopter crash

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Navy Seals Team 6 killed in helicopter crash

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Thread is locked so putting this here. Read the topic as "Seal Team 6". <_<

Seems like this event is par for the course, and buried in a summer weekend.


KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- A military helicopter was shot down in eastern Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. special operation troops, most of them from the elite Navy SEALs unit that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, along with seven Afghan commandos. It was the deadliest single incident for American forces in the decade-long war.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ ... 6-06-27-19
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you beat me to the punch guivre. i think this story surprises none of us.
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It's hilarious that the television news was declaring "this is one of the most secretive groups of the military and hardly anything ever comes out of them".

Doesn't it follow in our age of information that the most "secretive" groups would actually be groups most active in releasing disinformation rather than sitting dumbly waiting for people to find their secrets?

At every opportunity, the television tries to make us stupid about how deception actually works. In this case, they support a widespread belief that secrets are kept casually - by simply not speaking them - when the truth seems to be that great deals of money are put into creating calculated disinformation about anything that must be kept a secret.
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I've believed that Osama Bin Laden was most likely dead a long time ago, somewhere around 2001 or 2002 from kidney failure, and that all his video and audio messages were fake. They'd always pop up at just the right time to try to reinstill the proper fear.

Then we hear that the seals were sent in and they killed Bin Laden, just a couple of months ago or so. Most people ate it up and believed every word, but here he was again, popping up just at the right moment to pull attention away from the fiasco that was the Obama birth cerificate.

Just when I was wondering how they were going to pull this one off, waiting to see what "proof" they would offer to show the world that they did it, we find out that they dumped the body into the ocean. I couldn't believe that they were really being so bold, but the sheeple ate it up. They even went so far as to say that they weren't releasing any pictures as proof, and the sheeple ate that up too. "No proof needed", they said.

Now we get to today and we learn that a helicopter has crashed and that most of the people on it were Navy Seals. Not only that, they were from Seal Team Six, the unit that "killed" Bin Laden. How convienent. Now the article I read, which can be found here: http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/update ... z1UGaTRZIl says that they weren't the ones involved in "killing" Bin Laden, they were other guys that just happened to be in that unit.

I'm thinking that this was a very convienent way to stop them from being able to talk about how they didn't kill Bin Laden. I have no proof either way, but it sure smells fishy.
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Omg nice catch.

It even makes me laugh since they do it so obvious... :rolleyes:
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What is it with Navy SEALS crashing helicopters?? Remember during the whole fake Osama thing there were the ridiculous pictures of what was supposed to be one of their crashed helicopters at the site? Oh wait, it was actually that the helicopter wouldn't take off for some reason so they had to blow it up right? :rolleyes:
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The television claims this is supposedly one of the most secretive of organizations and so not a lot of information "comes out" of their department - as if secrets go away just by not talking about them.

Obviously, we've learned through our research that secrets stay secrets due to billions of dollars being invested in steering the public dialogue at every available opportunity - through coordinated media and military efforts. Television seems to always try to drive home the point that secrets are easy to keep just by not discussing them, while brushing over the fact that it actually takes somewhat of a herculean effort to combat our small voices speaking the truth to power.
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And just a few days ago Cryptome posted this article: http://cryptome.org/0005/schmidle/schmidle-access.htm
"Getting Access to the Secrets of the Osama Bin Laden Kill".
It was a comment on this NYT article: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... t_schmidle

In it the (1st) helicopter crash is also discussed, with these quite unbelievable words:
“I’m glad no one was hurt in the crash, but, on the other hand, I’m sort of glad we left the helicopter there,” the special-operations officer said. “It quiets the conspiracy mongers out there and instantly lends credibility. You believe everything else instantly, because there’s a helicopter sitting there.
"You believe everything else instantly"... what? What are they talking about? Why are they even mentioning people not believing them? Why would a special operations officer worry whether an operation is believable? What an absurd, odd story this whole thing is...

[note: I merged another "Team Seals 6 killed in helicopter crash" thread with this one, and I expanded the title accordingly]
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That's a real eybrow raiser of a quote there Nonho. That was quite the Freudian slip.

Anyway, it was very fortunate cross marketing for this book though and I think upcoming movie too, about the super secret group!

http://www.amazon.com/SEAL-Team-Six-Mem ... 031269945X
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Bizarrely - or perhaps not so bizarrely depending on how you view it - someone I know was flown to a funeral of one of the deceased SEALs.

Being top secret stuff and all that, I asked if (s)he might have gotten a glimpse of the deceased. The deceased was nowhere - allegedly vaporized and mixed into all sorts of scraps from the crash - or so they were told.

Therefore, I suggested, because of the spooky nature of the military brass my friend was meeting - perhaps the memorial service was not a funeral or wake but more of a "good bye" to someone on a secret mission ... disguised to the outside world as an ordinary memorial service so that they can safely fake-die and fulfill the role of "martyred Osama-bomber".

(S)he didn't necessarily like this idea but said "a lot of respect" was displayed there, which I found personally touching. However, it should be noted that the people attending this group memorial for those who've been reported to have died, included President Obama, the Secretary of Defense, his wife, and so forth - all of whom my friend met in person. I don't think I'm betraying much by repeating my friend's opinion that Obama had somewhat of a "disappointing" handshake.

The military officialness, the clockworkly timed "Afghanistan tragedy", the re-election season and the "group memorial" bit -- to me, it all smells as a group of soldiers who go into hiding after they are ordered to do so. My friend is sadly unwilling to pry into this right now - but (s)he did laugh and agreed when I suggested that this group was very publicly "secret" and so this story could mean anything - although it most certainly means (s)he will never see this soldier again at a family reunion. :P

I was surprised how well they took to my introduction to some of the ideas on this forum, also. So -- who knows why this is such a big public operation for something so allegedly "secret" but it is awfully interesting to see the dullness with which this kind of story is hitting people ... almost as if it's all rather boring and mundane "military stuff".

I think people being bored with the military madness - if not downright opposed - is progress. Especially since this intolerance for military hijinks and openness to discussing CIA misbehavior is coming from those related to "casualties of war." I like to believe people are catching on.
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Very interesting, Hoi.

Not as interesting as your post but here is an article showing the usual vicsim logic:

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-photo ... 35400.html
WASHINGTON (AP) — A White House photographer was allowed to take and widely distribute a photo from the ceremony Tuesday for the return of the remains of 30 American troops killed in a weekend helicopter crash in Afghanistan despite the Pentagon's claim that any public depiction of the scene would violate the wishes of bereaved families.
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hoi.polloi wrote:The military officialness, the clockworkly timed "Afghanistan tragedy", the re-election season and the "group memorial" bit -- to me, it all smells as a group of soldiers who go into hiding after they are ordered to do so. My friend is sadly unwilling to pry into this right now - but (s)he did laugh and agreed when I suggested that this group was very publicly "secret" and so this story could mean anything - although it most certainly means (s)he will never see this soldier again at a family reunion. :P
Even if they were sent into hiding for a new operation, or rather to make sure they were never going to be questioned or debriefed by other administrations about the alleged death of Osama, it remains to understand why at all they gave the news to the media. Why not make the whole thing in secret. It's not like the media can go to the government or the military and ask for an open interview with these guys anyway. It is understood that their names would never be revealed, so why even stage their death to obtain a disappearance? Does the military dwell a lot in this business of fooling families into believing their elite-special-forces relatives are dead?

It would have been interesting to ask this to the relative/friend of the Navy seal: "OK, we are being told today that these guys were on that mission. But did you know they were before"?
The answer will obviously be: "no, we didn't know anything about their activity."

So, why were they told now? And ever more irrational: why was the world told? They didn't even die on the mission. It makes no sense.
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nonhocapito wrote:It is understood that their names would never be revealed, so why even stage their death to obtain a disappearance?
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It makes no sense.
That is exactly what I thought as soon as I saw the story in the news a couple of days ago. It's laughable - and yet another example of the stupidity and gullibility of the American sheeple. Lambs being led to the slaughter.

H.L.Mencken: Democracy is jackals worshipped by jackasses.
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Hey, haven't we forgotten that Uncle Sam has gotten the guy who got the guys who got the guy?
Will the part where they 'take out' the guy who got the guys be the Sequel coming to a movie theatre near you in 2012? :ph34r:
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Maybe Team 6 was part of this child porn thing at the department of defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7qTBkA8X_E

5200 Pentagon Employees PURCHASED Child Pornography! (Why Is This Not A Bigger Story?)
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