Velikovsky, Fomenko, and the reinterpretation of History

Historical insights & thoughts about the world we live in - and the social conditioning exerted upon us by past and current propaganda.
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Re: Velikovsky, Fomenko, and the reinterpretation of History

Unread post by ProperGander » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:32 pm

"In religion, a relic usually consists of the physical remains of a saint or the personal effects of the saint or venerated person preserved for purposes of veneration as a tangible memorial. Relics are an important aspect of some forms of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Shamanism, and many other religions. Relic derives from the Latin reliquiae, meaning "remains," and a form of the Latin verb relinquere, to "leave behind, or abandon."

"Throughout the Middle Ages, Europe hosted a thriving trade in holy relics. But many of the relics, if not almost all of them, were fake. "

"In the 1991 film adaptation Robin Hood, Friar Tuck (played by Jeff Nuttall) is portrayed as an itinerant seller of phony relics, who is first mugged and then adopted by the Merry Men. He also confesses to being on the run for killing the nephew of an abbot."

Catholic Herald Debate: Does it matter if relics are fake?
"Relics are a very important part of the expression of religious faith, as well as of cultural importance in the way that people cling to a souvenir from a person they’ve loved or a place that they’ve been to. And what that conveys is the connecting of this moment with the treasured moment of the past. And if that connection is made through an object which maybe forensically won’t stand up to the test, that’s of secondary importance to the spiritual and emotive power that the object can contain, and does contain." ... lic_trade/ ... -are-fake/ ... iddle-ages ... cs&f=false ... ke&f=false

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Re: Velikovsky, Fomenko, and the reinterpretation of History

Unread post by ProperGander » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:14 pm

digging up Tut

The television media is not only obsessed with Hitler and sharks, King Tut is another media documentary favorite. Let's see who financed the expedition and see if anything interesting comes up. Now I am not denying the reality or history of this boy king, anymore than I would deny the existence of all the Nazi footage and memorabilia or sharks. I think it wise to know as much about a subject as possible to better understand it. Starting with the financial backing, things already get interesting. The 5th Earl of Carnarvon financed the famous expedition. Turns out he was married to Almina Victoria Maria Alexandra Wombwell, who "was the illegitimate daughter of millionaire banker Alfred de Rothschild". Rothschild "counted Lord Kitchener, a victim of the First World War, who died in 1916, as amongst his closest friends." Following the Lord Kitchener connection brings one down the proverbial 'rabbit hole' of seeming disinformation. Lord Kitchener was famously involved in the Second Boer War.

A little bit about the Second Boer War: "The complex origins of the war resulted from more than a century of conflict between the Boers and the British Empire, but of particular immediate importance was the question as to which nation would control and benefit most from the very lucrative Witwatersrand gold mines. During the Napoleonic Wars, a British military expedition landed in the Cape Colony and defeated the defending Dutch forces at the Battle of Blaauwberg (1806). After the war, the British formally acquired the colony (1814), and encouraged immigration by British settlers who were largely at odds with the Dutch settlers. Many Boers who were dissatisfied with aspects of British administration, in particular with Britain's abolition of slavery on 1 December 1834, elected to migrate away from British rule in what became known as the Great Trek."

"After the war, a number of conspiracy theories were put forward, one by Lord Alfred Douglas, positing a connection between Kitchener's death, the recent naval Battle of Jutland, Winston Churchill, and a Jewish conspiracy (Churchill successfully sued Douglas for criminal libel, and the latter spent six months in prison). Another claimed that the Hampshire did not strike a mine at all, but was sunk by explosives secreted in the vessel by Irish Republicans.

In 1926, a hoaxer named Frank Power claimed in the Sunday Referee newspaper that Kitchener's body had been found by a Norwegian fisherman. Power brought a coffin back from Norway and prepared it for burial in St. Paul's. At this point, however, the authorities intervened and the coffin was opened in the presence of police and a distinguished pathologist. The box was found to contain only tar for weight. There was widespread public outrage at Power, but he was never prosecuted.

General Erich Ludendorff, Generalquartiermeister and joint head (with von Hindenburg) of Germany's war effort, stated that Russian communist elements working against the Tsar had betrayed Kitchener's travel plans to Germany. He stated that Kitchener was killed "because of his ability", as it was feared he would help the tsarist Russian Army to recover.

Frederick Joubert Duquesne, a Boer soldier and spy, claimed that he had assassinated Kitchener after an earlier attempt to kill him in Cape Town failed. Duquesne's story was that he posed as the Russian Duke Boris Zakrevsky in 1916 and joined Kitchener in Scotland. While on board HMS Hampshire with Kitchener, Duquesne supposedly signalled a German submarine that then sank the cruiser, and was rescued by the submarine, later being awarded the Iron Cross for his efforts. Duquesne was later apprehended and tried by the authorities in the U.S. for insurance fraud, but managed to escape. In World War II, he ran a German spy ring in the United States until he was caught by the FBI in what became the biggest roundup of spies in U.S. history: the Duquesne Spy Ring. Coincidentally, Duquesne had escaped from a British Prisoner-of-War camp on the islands between the Great Sound and Hamilton Harbour, in Bermuda, during the Second Boer War, making his way to the United States. Kitchener's brother was to die in office in Bermuda in 1912, and his nephew, Major H.H. Hap Kitchener, who had married a Bermudian, purchased (with a legacy left to him by his uncle) Hinson's Island, part of the former Prisoner of War camp from which Duquesne had escaped, after the First World War as the location of his home and business"

"At the outset of the First World War, the Prime Minister, Asquith, quickly had Lord Kitchener appointed Secretary of State for War."

This leads into the history of the expansion of the "Anglo-American Empire".

Quotes from the links below:
""George Edward Stanhope Molyneux Herbert, 5th Earl of Carnarvon, DL (26 June 1866 – 5 April 1923), styled Lord Porchester until 1890, was an English aristocrat best known as the financial backer of the search for and the excavation of Tutankhamun's tomb in the Valley of the Kings.""

"Alfred also counted Lord Kitchener, a victim of the First World War, who died in 1916, as amongst his closest friends. He was so desirous of keeping alive his never-to-be-forgotten memory that he left £25,000 to the Lord Kitchener National Memorial Fund, in 1918. A neighbour of Alfred was Lord Inchcape at No 4, Seamore Place, provided a god send in finding safe passage for Lord Porchester, his wife and Almina’s daughter, Lady Evelyn, from Cairo after Lord Carnarvon’s death in 1923."

The English Empire was quite impressive, no? I think it still is, its influence is obvious as I type this in English and not 'American'. English is the world language not due to the U.S.A., but the British Empire and its obvious expansion. It is the news and entertainment media who tell us how great the United States is. Not to put down the country I live in, but there is a difference between the meaning of the word 'country' and the corporate body known as the U.S.A. The founding of this country and its history is an occult subject. The truth is different and the usual scapegoats exist, more than likely to act as that. Easy targets to protect the last layers of the proverbial onion, that guards the truth.

source: ... _Carnarvon
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Re: Velikovsky, Fomenko, and the reinterpretation of History

Unread post by Peter » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:15 pm

Please come back Sasha and ReadyToBeDeployed. They had great ideas about the artificial lengthening of the historical timeline. Bullied off by authoritarian group-think. Not much bullying, but a little bit. It's difficult to accept that pre Renaissance history was largely invented in the Renaissance and easy to have a knee jerk reaction against it, but it obviously happened imo. At the fall of Rome all the architects, doctors, civil engineers, world traders wouldn't have just dropped their interests and decided to till the land for 1000 years until the "Renaissance".

Here is that brilliant Fomenko video, watch this first or if watch this if you watch only one.

And this guy has researched Robert Baldauf, Jean Hardouin and others who came to the same conclusion as Fomenko without his formula, many links in his description. ... MoQ/videos

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Re: Velikovsky, Fomenko, and the reinterpretation of History

Unread post by heniek1812 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:02 am

Peter » November 3rd, 2019, 8:15 pm wrote:Here is that brilliant Fomenko video, watch this first or if watch this if you watch only one.
Interesting topic but I just don't see how we sitting here behind the computer monitor will be able to use the "court method" to ascertain the veracity of information given to us by the System.

Fomenko's method of text analysis could show if someone is rewriting something written by someone else and attempting to ascribe this history to a different time and land. This I could see as being a possibility. But to use this for dating leaves me a bit puzzled. How can I be sure that the books I am dealing with are not excellent forgeries made way way back ?

The map method likewise suffers IMO from our inability to be sure that the maps we are given are not forgeries. What exactly convinces us that the map of Ptolemy is really a map from that time period ? Are the maps that have seen the light of day really maps from that period and not maps to confuse the competition or are simply excellent forgeries to confuse the future. Buildings and structures are more solid evidence of time IMO than anything that appears on paper or is written into stone tablets.

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